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2 hours ago, comicginger1789 said:

I found this, a CGC 8.0 on ASM 129 with a rusty top staple that was migrating. Yours is a tad more noticeable only because of the white cover. So perhaps it has a chance at 8.0 or even 8.5. I know they grade Golden Age stuff different than Bronze too, generally a bit more lenient so I think safely saying 7.5-8.0 tops is where I would be. 

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/243632-quick-question-on-rusty-staples/

Thanks. By comparison though,(judging from the scans) the rusty staple on that spidey book is the only defect stopping it from being higher. In this example, we also have the staple tears (you can see them near the staple extremities), rounded corners, overhang bends and what appears to be creases in the lower left. The spidey book shows the most this could ever get is an 8.0, but this book doesn't look as good, far from it. Hence why I wonder what the grade is. Pretty sure it ain't 8,5, which I find troubling from what is said to be a renowned seller and my main provider of rare GA books.
Also, in regards to the golden age stuff, the leniency only applies to bindery defects, so defects made during production (missing staples, spine roll, loose centrefolds, corner chips, ect). The wear of the book is judged ceterus parabus as far as I have seen.

1 hour ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

If you're asking about CGC plastic vs CBCS plastic vs PGX plastic... I can only say that I don't think there are sacrifices in material integrity from CBCS. PGX cases seem(ed) cheap to me (although I haven't held one in a couple years).

The CGC NR problem was only introduced because their last plastic supplier discontinued product (Barex?). So, it's not like CGC switched materials in-benefit of any sort.

Thanks man. In short, this kinda sucks.

4.5 sounds good

8 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

I think 7.0 is reasonable. That being said a rusty staple is something I have not had experience with to know how much CGC dings for it. 

Same here, and I don't know if rust migration worsens that or if it's included as part of the points you lose for the rusty staple itself.

In any case, if any of you want to see the listing in question, here it is https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/captain-marvel-adventures-146-fawcett-publications-1953-condition-vf-/a/122003-15106.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

The seller claims an 8.5 which I find very hard to believe. And as with what marvelmaniac said, the lack of extra photos really doesn't help.

3 minutes ago, marvelmaniac said:

I really cannot give a grade on this book.

If only you had better pics, especially with the White Cover, it is hard to see if there are any creases/spine ticks/stress lines, also need pics of the back cover and pages, especially the centerfold.

I do see slightly rounded/blunted corners, the rusty staple and the book appears to have been trimmed.

I know and I wish I had better pics, but this is all heritage has provided in their current auction. Hence why I am having a hard time gauging it myself. I am pretty sure there is no trimming though as the corners have the same wear as the rest of the book (were it trimmed, they would be more straight). It looks more like a printing mistake which is very common for golden age books.

6 hours ago, vaillant said:

I don’t think it's possible to have a VG 4.0 with that hole and general wear.
I'd be comfortable with a 3.0 or 3.5 max.

Yeah, it gets marked down to a 4.0 already due to the subscription crease (with colour break) so there's just a few too many extra defects, like the hole that keeps lowering the grade. I too would say about 3.0-3.5

6.5, what does the slab say?

I would be more comfortable calling this a 6 than a 7. That spine doesn't look great, plus you have the colour breaks in the corner. But it's hard to tell with the blurry pics.

I am thinking of purchasing this but not sure about the grade. The main defect I see is a rusty staple (with rust transfer on the comic) along with staple tears from the same staple. I also spot creases along this comic (bottom left). I personally think it's a 7.0, at most, due to the rust and tears, but I'd like to know if I am wrong about this.

The higher grade for sure since that's what is tied to a price in the guide. Page quality only becomes a factor when grades are either the same or really close.

Some of my slabs look like this. So I wouldn't call it damaged from what I see (the more usual damage is an actual crack somewhere, there isn't any here).

Someone brought the notion of the newton rings in the thread discussing the pros and cons of competitors like CBCS. If these new holders from CGC are the best we have so far and yet other companies do not have newton rings, does it mean that slabs from elsewhere are inferior in other areas? What I mean is, is anything sacrificed by having a slab that doesn't have newton rings? Is what is being gained with the new slabs worth the newton rings?

Just confused by all this since it's not an issue I ever thought we'd have and my other CGC slabs look great.

20 minutes ago, Blarg said:

How would that work? Charge more to slab a GA book than an SA book just because it's older? Comic collectors are smarter than that.

It's not something I was suggesting, I was just trying to understand what was being discussed.

58 minutes ago, seanfingh said:

I don't know that I agree with this.  The tiering system is intended to compensate them more highly for more valuable books, certainly partially because it would be more expensive to replace them if they damaged them, but also because the stakes are higher for resto detection, the skill set is more highly developed for GA/SA etc. and simply because the end product is more valuable.  The guy fixing Patek Phillippe watches gets paid more than the guy swapping batteries on Casios.

But then in that case, shouldn't the tiering system be based only on the era rather than the worth? 

7.5-8.0

It's really too bad for that staple tear because otherwise it's a nice book. 6.0

18 hours ago, KCOComics said:

Thanks, would a press / dry cleaning improve the grade? 

I don't think so since the defects that bring down the grade are the missing pieces on the corner and the staple tears, none of which are rectified through a press. Pressing is more for folds and such, which is not the biggest issue your book.
I too would say 4.0-4.5

8.5

4.0

9 in the census, can't believe how cheap such a rare golden age superhero comic is.

24 minutes ago, seanfingh said:

Yes. Just understand that if the book is 6.0 with a giant non color breaker that gets pressed out - it is probably more likely to get bumped. 

That's the hope!

3 minutes ago, seanfingh said:

Just use your best judgment, and be really honest. If you think it is Standard, use the Standard rate. If you honestly think it is Value, submit under Value. I have had 10-12 books that I submitted where the price differential was astronomical ($450 for a 9.6 $3-5k for a 9.8) and only once did I get bumped to the higher tier. When they bump you to the higher tier, it is almost always a real positive because you got the dream grade and the additional fee is a drop in the bucket.

I see. So, applying your answer to the even when pressing is involved, just use the rate of what the book currently looks like (rather than what you hope it looks like after it's pressed) and if it comes out great and you get the bump, then they'll charge you the additional fee. That about right?

I asked some people and they told me the best was to ask the community as a whole since it's tricky. The bit I always have a hard time to the point of anxiety with submitting (I only submitted 3 times to CGC and once was a simple signature event) is when an integer of grade can change the tier of the book. For instance, looking at the grades people estimate for this Captain marvel comic I posted (issue 51), this could be between 250-450, so between 2 tiers (value and standard). While grading is objective, it's hard not to fear that selecting the cheaper tier cements that this comic won't get the best possible grade. Plus I would like to have it pressed and I have no clue how much better it can be if pressed. Like a 9.0/9.2 golden age detective that if pressed might get to those fabled 9.4/9.6 grades that can fetch way more than what the price guide end at. So it's moments like these that I don't know what to do. How does one submit a book in those cases? 

1 hour ago, Tseven8 said:

Thank you both for that recommendation. Should we get it pressed or anything else? 

Yes, pressing will help with that fold at the top and could make it worth more. Do not get it restored. Right now you are looking at around a $3000-$4000 book (around the 5.0 grade). Getting it pressed and graded would help get you the most for it.