joeypost

That's all folks.

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Some people want to continue the run in 9.8. I do for only one title but submit myself. They are not for resale, just to keep the run complete.

There is a drawing each month to see who has to take you off ignore. I have lost the last 27 months in a row. I am beginning think something may be amiss. The real losers are the ones that use the ignore function in the first place. Consider me a loser.

Picked up a good one over the weekend.

I'm curious how long some posters think CGC graders spend on a book. 12 seconds? 20? Some of the posts seem like they imagine Graders do extensive CSI type investigative exams. I have no idea but have wondered this a lot. Moderns I would expect get the least time. I have sat writing for walk thru books and checking on my phone there are delays of up to 1:30 minutes between scheduled and graded. I am sure they do not spend all that time but I cannot imagine it is close to what they spend on moderns. If you know what you are doing I could see getting a good idea of the grade and any issues with restoration in under. 5-10 minutes. Remember the resto check happens before the book is designated a numerical grade. In some cases weeks before.

With a label or not, since when does adding a label preclude the book not getting a regrade? CGC's policy is that as long as a book is removed from it's holder/inner well, it needs to be regraded. If they hand out free reholders based on submitting a book with the label, then we have a bigger issue than what's been exposed in this thread. As for the scenario of "tweaking" the book to get the blue label - not a chance. This book was submitted by someone who clearly disagreed with CGC's assessment it was trimmed, and/or seems to have developed a way of identifying books or a manner of submitting which exposes CGC's grading inconsistency. I concede this could be explained by someone with experience submitting in a manner that assures him a "less is more" service, or where there's a set of eyes/resources are absent from the grading mix due to time constraints or needing to crank out a high volume of submissions for a weekend show. Regardless, what matters most here is how they handled this when it was brought to their attention the first time. The thing they missed most is the opportunity cost of averting this alternate ending from playing out. Joe, the board member who purchased the book could have cracked it out and sold it raw down the line as an unrestored book. There are always options other than having it re-graded. Your post did get me thinking so I went back and looked at the day the book was graded. It was 3/27/2014. That was the Thursday many of the CGC staff were flying into Seattle. I saw Paul at the show. Not sure if he flew out Thursday or Friday but the book had to be finalized by someone left at CGC. I am not 100% on CGC's policy on walk-thru books but someone has to finalize it. For the submitter to know the travel plans and availability of who would have been working that day would be timing of epic proportions. Not saying that someone out there could not have planned to have the book there understanding the dynamics of CGC's staffing issues just before a show, but it is a stretch. Yeah, I don't want to get hung-up on plausibility here, because for all we know this could have been a "better luck next time" scenario. However even when I did a handful of shows back to back, I had a good understanding of which people participated at which events, and this carried over to year after year because it was the same handful of people participating. The thing that would concern me more than this "timing" play is someone having a better understanding of trimming than CGC's own in-house grading experts. Apart from this possibility this is a random luck situation, the idea that "trimmed" examples have been cherry-picked like this before is a disturbing thought, but not a stretch given the way some people incessantly obsess over trying to game the system as long as there's money to be made. On these points I agree 100%. As long as a buck or a few thousand are there to be made, someone will try and game the system. No system can prepare in advance for every scenario coming its way. It is how the system reacts that's important here.

With a label or not, since when does adding a label preclude the book not getting a regrade? CGC's policy is that as long as a book is removed from it's holder/inner well, it needs to be regraded. If they hand out free reholders based on submitting a book with the label, then we have a bigger issue than what's been exposed in this thread. As for the scenario of "tweaking" the book to get the blue label - not a chance. This book was submitted by someone who clearly disagreed with CGC's assessment it was trimmed, and/or seems to have developed a way of identifying books or a manner of submitting which exposes CGC's grading inconsistency. I concede this could be explained by someone with experience submitting in a manner that assures him a "less is more" service, or where there's a set of eyes/resources are absent from the grading mix due to time constraints or needing to crank out a high volume of submissions for a weekend show. Regardless, what matters most here is how they handled this when it was brought to their attention the first time. The thing they missed most is the opportunity cost of averting this alternate ending from playing out. Joe, the board member who purchased the book could have cracked it out and sold it raw down the line as an unrestored book. There are always options other than having it re-graded. Your post did get me thinking so I went back and looked at the day the book was graded. It was 3/27/2014. That was the Thursday many of the CGC staff were flying into Seattle. I saw Paul at the show. Not sure if he flew out Thursday or Friday but the book had to be finalized by someone left at CGC. I am not 100% on CGC's policy on walk-thru books but someone has to finalize it. For the submitter to know the travel plans and availability of who would have been working that day would be timing of epic proportions. Not saying that someone out there could not have planned to have the book there understanding the dynamics of CGC's staffing issues just before a show, but it is a stretch.

It may very we'll be the truth Bob. Instead of rampant speculation and a boycott on their services (which will never happen due to too many business models who have hitched their wagon to CGC's horse) it would be best to wait and see what CGC says. I would find it almost impossible to believe that they are not aware of this thread by now. I know for a fact the decision makers are OOO today and will be back tomorrow and that's when I would expect to at least see a reply that they are aware of it and looking into a solution.

I don't completely agree. If it was put through at a FMV of $5,000.00 it would have been $155 plus shipping. Add in the 10 or 20% discount it could have been as low as $200.00 to have this book walked thru and shipped back fully insured. I do agree that the most likely scenario was that the book was sent in raw with no label. Heck, the person who resubmitted it could have had the edge that was trimmed roughed up to make it less noticeable.

exactly this And they have not had a chance to do this yet. I would imagine with everyone traveling back from Seattle they will answer no sooner than Tuesday.

I was always under the impression it was cracked out and if CGC did not change the grade or their opinion of the book being trimmed or restored it was reholdered using the same label.

This might be true if the label stays with the book the whole way. It does not. I would be very surprised if review books were treated any different than a new submission. The point is to grade the book in front of you with no outside influences. I'm pretty sure when dude walked around he said 'does the top look trimmed'? I just can't believe everyone missed it the first go round then caught it the second.... If that was the case (which I don't believe it to be as I have sent in my share of review books) then the review system has a major flaw.

This might be true if the label stays with the book the whole way. It does not. I would be very surprised if review books were treated any different than a new submission. The point is to grade the book in front of you with no outside influences.

I am sure all questions will be answered. Remember that most of CGC was in Seattle this week. At best I would assume Tuesday will be the first day they will have to digest and then respond to the concerns in this thread.

Awesome books! Sure are. Killer Marvel horror on display.

Actually got these back yesterday. 1-13 to 3-13. UPS had actually tried to deliver them Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, but I was out of town. I didn't get the e-mail from CGC with a tracking number until late Wednesday. They are even running late on those. I have received emails that books were shipped days after the customer received the books.

Not sure but it has been really bad lately. I have a customer that sent in 2 30 book submissions. he got one back about 10 days ago and the other submission is still sitting at graded. Both were submitted value fast track on the same day.

Unless severe, they let it go. You see 9.8's with bindery tears, printers creases, etc.

You got robbed on the MMW #18.

Can I suggest not buying from brand-new sellers who need the help of the PGM forum to grade their books? sound advice. I don't feel like playing Blowie at the moment. Who was the seller? I am, I sold her Silver Surfer #1 and she doesn't like that it has a spine split. I didn't notice a spine split on it but I know there was a defect with the spine at the bottom just like there are defects on the cover. I posted scans and linked to the PGM thread in the sales thread so everyone could get an idea of it's grade. I had an issue on eBay where I graded it based on my opinion and the seller said it was worse in his opinion. That caused a huge issue so from then on, I do not grade raws. I will say if it is in a decent condition and post pictures of it to let people judge for themselves. I originally bought it for $200. I was thinking about getting it restored and graded but thought that would cost too much so I tried selling it on here for $200. jsilverjanet offered $175 and I took it. I offered her $100 back for it now because that would be more affordable for me to get it restored and graded. I do not want to spend $175 on it and I already lost $25 on it plus the cost of shipping it to her to begin with. Just.....wow. Squared.