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100% agree That's unfortunate because another tidbit about Red Raven 1 is that it contains the first Kirby renderings of Sub-Mariner and Human Torch in two small ads (Marvel Mystery 8 added for comparison) I am going to say, like the Kirby rendering much more, but I like a lot of his stuff. Star Spangled 7 has to be one of my absolute favorite books done by him. Not me. I'll take the Everett/Burgos version any day. Wonder why they had two different depictions of the same house ad? Anyone know the story behind that? Those two house ads are the last panels of Red Raven 1 stories. Maybe Kirby had to fill up some panels. Just curious guys, if we could get back to 1939 in our time machines, which of these designs would you have picked? I'll take the MC logo. I always wished Goodman never changed it so quickly after the 1st issue.

I don't hear too much about Red Raven 1 anymore when elite Timelys are discussed. At one point (witness the above) it was right up there. Same point re Tough Kid Squad 1. What, if anything, has happened to those two books? sadly, without a Hollywood -script, that book or character gets left behind. RR1 features Jack Kirby's 1st signed work for Timely which should mean a lot to the Timely or Kirby enthusiast. Stan was fortunate that his 1st work for Timely landed in a premier character and title.

it would rank high for the true timely historian or Subby/Timely collector.

The X is still there whoops, missed that. Thanks Crow What Socal said in the other thread: "I am the owner of the now 10th known copy of MPFW#1 which is the Overstreet copy. It has a big X on the front cover.I purchased the book on 3/95 from Metropolis for $4500. Many people have said it is missing pages. There are pages that are non original and are not attached but do not appear to be Xerox pages. When I purchased the book Stephen Fishler said they were press proof pages. I have no idea if that is correct and at the time I did not care I just wanted a copy. I have thought about sending it to CGC but never got around to it." The "X" copy was reprinted in the Five Fabulous Decades of Marvel in 1991. Here's the page looks like the same copy in the CC auction. The subby story is all that matters.

there were 9 thanks

I've tracked certain books over the last 20 years (pre and post internet) and certainly the cgc has some decent data to offer. I was just looking at cgc census numbers that I printed in 2006 and compared them with current numbers. For example (and I'll stick with Timelys) in 2006 there were 15 total copies of Marvel Mystery 5 on the census. As of this month in 2016, there are now 36 total copies. I didn't track the total copies of Marvel Mystery 2 in 2006, but there are 39 copies on the current census. During the same ten year span, 10 Suspense 3s were graded in 2006. Now there are 32 total copies. Marvel Mystery 9 had 20 copies in 2006 and today there are 45 on the census. Cap 3 had 36 copies in 2006 and now 86. USA 7 had 8 copies in 2006 and today 26. So it appears it took ten years for census numbers to double or triple--that's a testiment to the limited supply of Gold. The SA numbers reflect a similar increase in some books and more extreme in some (Avengers 1 had 629 in 2006 and 3034 today) but with larger numbers (844 AF15s in 2006 and 2,609 copies today). Generally, I've concluded that a census number of roughly 50 or less total copies is scarce.

Yeah, they've got that wrong (MM #2 is not rare). Really? I find that its one of those books you maybe see once or twice a year come up for sale. I think Bob Storms has a copy for sale right now but good luck trying to track one down on EBay or some of the othe rmajor sites. Unless you know someone with a copy you could have to wait for 2 years to find an unrestored copy for sale. Numerous copies have been posted on the board and I know of more copies in other collections, in addition to my own. Many are restored from what I recall. The #5 is only listed as "scarce", but it is tougher than the "rare" #2. Outdated info in the Guide, in my opinion... Many people here have a less common perception of "rare". I think the more common opinion think (myself included) think rare is any book that doesn't have at least 3 options to purchase at any time. I know this isn't "rare" by definition etc. But books like this should be classified as something. Ive seen maybe 5-6 for sale in the past 5 years. And only one at cons in Seattle. the perspective differed if one is (like Steve and myself) who have been in the hobby for 20-30 years + and have suffered through the pre Internet days where everything hinged on getting to a show or getting a hold of the new CBG ads to see new market material. Today's instant internet and auction and texting makes everything seem accessible. Marvel Mystery 2 is certainly not an easy find but I wouldn't say rare. Ameri can speak more for this book but I think the 4 and 5 are slightly tougher but that is probably because they have higher demand covers.

When I first started looking, I found the #2 instantly and there were a couple other copies of it out there at the time. I had the #1 as an ebay search for 3-4 years before I got one. It's meant to be a Reader's Digest knock off, obviously. You'd presume it didn't work for Goodman, since he didn't run with it. Speaking of offshoot stuff, I picked up this Goodman pulp recently. June 1939, several months before Schomburg did his first Timely comic book cover. The cover is not Schomburg though, it's J.W. Scott, but the interior illustrations are Schomburg: Very cool! I love me some Red Circle pulps! Oct 30th 1939 Daring Mystery #1 is Mr. Schomburg's first right? 3rd Timely comic book. I'll get one someday. correct, DM 1 was Schomburg's first cover for Timely. Marvel Mystery 3 was his next.

that's an elite club Harold.

When I first started looking, I found the #2 instantly and there were a couple other copies of it out there at the time. I had the #1 as an ebay search for 3-4 years before I got one. It's meant to be a Reader's Digest knock off, obviously. You'd presume it didn't work for Goodman, since he didn't run with it. Speaking of offshoot stuff, I picked up this Goodman pulp recently. June 1939, several months before Schomburg did his first Timely comic book cover. The cover is not Schomburg though, it's J.W. Scott, but the interior illustrations are Schomburg:

What's your favorite Kirby Silver Surfer based cover?

nice Leroy. Yep that is a Tec 29 page I see...

I just today saw this. INCREDIBLE!!!! wow. Very tough book in 5.0+

3.0

Have a Happy Birthday at NYCC What's the Birthday dinner menu?

And the price doesn't seem completely unreasonable fir a blue label 5.0 either. House or Tec 27 decisions decisions. Very tough! not tough at all---Tec 27

Metro Tec 31 5.0 copy has a BIN of 110K. The 33 8.0 has a BIN of 150K. Do you have a link for these 2 books? It looks like my Search skills on the internet leaves a lot to be desired. Scan for the 31 is up. http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=684745 my old copy.

i think it's so cool how books cycle around within our gold comics board family!

Not likely. A CBCS Restored 7.5 Mod copy sold earlier this year for 15K and and a CGC Restored 6.0 Ext sold last year for 14K. There are actually 2 1.5s coming up for auction. im thinking a 1.5 Tec 33 will run about $12k

yes about $2k-$3k more last time I checked.

my favorite Timely. Congrats Peter.

the 2 and 8 are the first to show him partially lit up but it's not until the cover of issue 29 when he's completely Void of any flame.