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@PaulS. Any update on this ongoing problem? If someone at CGC locked you guys into a long-term deal on these cardboard slits that can't be removed from the shipping process, then just charge us to individually sleeve our slabs like your competitors do. To reiterate, the cardboard slits are damaging bare slabs. And the poster here highlighting the DUST and the micro scratching is 100% right, not to mention the dings.

My $150 credit wasn't applied, just emailed Customer Service to get it applied, just FYI.

I have 700 submissions sitting in “Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging” AMA.

My only gripe lately is Accounting taking payment on anything you call and ask about, but what they don't tell you is them taking payment has NOTHING to do with actually moving your cards along in the process! Very sneaky and sly bunch they got on the Accounting side lol.

Should have paid for subgrades.

That makes sense, appreciate the insight Paul. On the topic of subgrades vs overall grade, can you confirm what some of us have theorized which is: starting at an overall grade of CGC 8.5 (and higher), the lowest sub-grade can be .5 lower than the overall grade? Meaning, a CGC 8.5 cannot have a 7.5 subgrade, it at worst can have one 8 subgrade, but an overall CGC 8 can have a 7 subgrade? So basically the allowable lowest subgrade difference goes from a full 1 point (which you demonstrated in your example) to only a .5 difference starting at that 8.5 grade.

Paul why is this the policy when you guys have stated subgraded slabs are scrutinized for 3 to 4 times longer than nonsubgraded slabs? How is this policy not an exploitable loophole if people can get easier grades initially by grading with no subs and then resubmitting to add subs later (while guaranteeing the same overall grade)?

Bingo. I have a detailed explanation of this somewhere on this forum, you can check my comment history to try and find it but like Kingston says, once you get to an overall grade of 8.5 your lowest possible sub grade can be .5 below that, meaning all subgrades need to be 8 or higher. but there are plenty of CGC 8’s with a 7 subgrade which is 1 full point below the overall grade. 8.5’s are underrated because of that .5 allowance, in my opinion.

So you're saying it's okay for PSA to become more strict so that they aren't an 'easy company' but CGC shouldn't give out more 10's so that they aren't too strict of a company. Giving a Pristine 10 to the top (x)% of 9.5's is much better than giving out 9's and 8's on gem mint cards as a PR stunt to revert your image as an 'easy company'. And don't get me started on the population report gatekeeping of 10's. And we're talking about the top 10% of an already elite class of cards that would be 10's in any other grading company.

This is something I've talked about ad nauseum since CGC started grading TCGs! But I think CGC are too far into the grading game (already consensus #2 in Pokemon community) to alter their grading scale to something like what you said, so my solution basically works within the confines of their scale and still achieves a similar result (getting more 10's on the market to compete with PSA while not oversaturating the market with easy 10's -- which I think is achievable and needs to happen). But in a perfect world, I agree with your scale 100%. The difference in card quality between a CGC 9 and CGC 9.5 is tough to conceptualize due to it only being a .5 bump in grade. ARGH it drives me insane just thinking about it. CGC 9 Mint = PSA 9 Mint (perfect match, awesome) CGC 9.5 Gem Mint = PSA 10 Gem Mint <---- so a full 1 point swing at PSA is only a .5 swing at CGC for the upper echelon of graded cards. And the ironic thing is many CGC 9.5's are higher quality cards than PSA 10's especially old cert 10's!

From what I have seen, CGC Pristine 10 Vintage English holos do not exist. A CGC 9.5 is seemingly the best you can hope for on an English vintage holo, which is 2 overall grades below the best possible CGC grade of Perfect 10. Why set the grading standard so high that the best of the best vintage English holos have no chance at a Pristine 10, much less a Perfect 10? Why mirror BGS' grading scale if you're only going to be exponentially harder on higher-end cards? Who does this benefit? Many argue PSA's grading has become more and more strict over time, although they never have come out and said "hey we're more strict on 10's now" (as far as I know). CGC should do the same thing, but going the opposite direction, and internally decide to take the top 10-20% of Vintage English 9.5's and bump those up to Pristine 10 status going forward. This is how CGC wins the grading game. It's right there for the taking guys, but PEOPLE WANT 10's. Collectors want a chase, and being capped at a 9.5 for a majority of the English chase cards in the hobby is the exact opposite of a chase. Toss a few Skyridge 10's, or Neo Discovery 10's into the market and watch what that does for CGC's brand and market presence. People like me will buy PSA 10's with the hopes of crossing to CGC Pristine 10's! Everyone wins in this scenario. Let me know your guys' thoughts.

Petition to rename this stage “Blue Ball” stage.

From a OCD/nitpick standpoint, the gap below the 8.5 coupled with the massive blank space where the subgrades should be gives CGC slabs an incomplete/prototype/MVP look. I will never buy a slab without subgrades because of how aesthetically unpleasing that white space is.

Looks like the ol' "we're going to send your cards back via an inferior delivery method that you did not choose" is back on the menu! My last two submissions are being currently being returned via UPS Ground even though I paid a premium for USPS Registered and Insured. Will I be reimbursed for the cost difference? No But will I get a legitimate explanation as to why this happened? No Will I complain and keep sending cards to CGC? Yeah

I bought a SGC 10 early EX era ex and I'm not joking it would be lucky to get a CGC 9. Lesson learned lol.

I have graded over 600 cards and have never received a 10, and I am not expecting one either! (I grade mostly vintage)

9.5’s for English vintage (WOTC + Early EX era) are literally almost impossible to get. I’m treating mine like Black Labels lol.

What is the latest received date for completed Bulk right now? I have Bulk received 02/04 that is still scheduled for grading and just wanted to see how close I was getting.

UV protecting plastic/film is expensive, so a luxury service offering such as card grading shouldn't even explore the option to offer it, and instead people can just use Saran Wrap or I can steal the blackout curtains from my son's room to provide protection. Thanks Comic guys for always driving the conversation productively here in the Trading Card section of this forum! Video showing how damaging UV light is, and he experiments on both raw/graded cards.

Seems like the next logical step in the evolution of card grading. It's wild that no grading company has been able to put something like this to market. If it's a cost thing, just pass it on to the Customer as a premium service marketed towards the upper-echelon of the TCG world. Idk about everyone else but I want to safely display my slabs on my walls/desk/etc. without worrying about light ruining them over time. If CGC can figure this out they'll win the Slab War. Defense wins championships!

Your golisapod was graded wrong, it should be an overall 9. Once your overall card grade is 8.5 or higher, your lowest possible subgrade can be .5 lower than your overall grade. So that 8.5 centering on your Espeon caps the overall grade at a 9 (.5 higher than the 8.5). I have a comment explaining this more in detail check my page for it.

I emailed them but nothing back from customer service yet. If enough of us sound the alarms hopefully they stop using this packaging.

Just received a new Express Return, and all 13 slabs have the same scratches/marks/scuffs in the middle-center on the front of the slab case, just above the actual card. Switching to this cheap and unprotective packaging was an egregious oversight. This is completely unacceptable for an almost $900 service. STOP USING THIS PACKAGING IMMEDIATELY.

Here ya go....... https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/480470-can-you-get-a-perfect-10-on-a-card-with-no-subgrades-or-only-pristine/