OJ Pimpson

On 4/18/2024 at 2:06 PM, Ghastly542454 said:

Did Torpedo make the effort themselves to bring in CGC? I don’t think so!🙁The last time CGC was there was when the Torpedo Con was in Hollywood.

I have no idea, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t. Because I don’t think I’m alone in this, but I would be far more likely to attend if CGC was there. 
 

and yes CGC was there in 2021. It’s clear they attended because even in 2021 cons were sparse. SDCC didn’t happen.
 

Still they are coming out to Southern California for SDCC a week later. Logistically it wouldn’t be difficult to make this happen. 120 miles away 

On 4/18/2024 at 9:38 AM, Robot Man said:

I second this. I submitted books at WonderCon and had hoped to do the same at Torpedo. I just don’t like shipping valuble books through the mail. I would think your booth would be mobbed. 

And They have a much better artist line up than Wondercon. 

On 4/18/2024 at 7:31 AM, JuliaJ CS said:

Hello @OJ Pimpson! Thanks for reaching out. Unfortunately, CGC will not be attending that show. You can find a listing of any upcoming events on our website at Events. However, there may be a CGC-authorized facilitator who can provide witnesses and submit the books to us on your behalf.  You can find a listing of facilitators on the CGC Authorized Facilitator List.

You can also check our Signature Room chat board to find out which facilitators might be attending the show on The Signature Room - CGC Comic Book Collectors Chat Boards. If you have any other questions, please let us know. Thank you!

Thank you for response. I hope you guys reconsider. CGC attended in 2021 the last time I went to TorpedoCon, and I much prefer using your services directly 

They have a monster lineup so it’d be really nice to have you guys there. It’s a week before SDcon why not do both? 

In in in 

On 12/28/2023 at 2:37 PM, jsilverjanet said:

Vintage is many things but not a shill

he also won't be able reply anytime soon

Whatever. Attempting to discredit that video with irrelevant nit picks is shill behavior 

On 12/28/2023 at 10:21 AM, VintageComics said:

Diagnostic tech thinking hat on now: 

Is there a reason he DOESN'T how a clear shot of the side he sealed "properly" because I can see that it doesn't look as original as he makes people believe it does, just from the quick flashes we get of that spine edge. There's a little 'sleight of hand' going on there. 

This is utter nonsense. You want badly to see this person as a bad actor or charlatan, when in fact this video is a great service to the community. The video clearly demonstrates that with a modest amount of patience and effort these slabs can be compromised. Now, instead of only the scammers being aware of this, we all are, and it will further pressure CGC to make the security upgrades needed to protect against tampering. His video has 8k views which likely amounts to a YouTube ad rev check for less than the change you have rattling around in your pockets and the stuff he sells on his website is so niche I doubt he breaks even on any of it. He’s just a guy that loves science and comics and there is no reason to doubt his intentions. You on the other hand are a clear shill

On 12/27/2023 at 12:45 PM, Point Five said:

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

I’m clearly one of the three people he is refering to. I wonder who the other two are?

On 12/25/2023 at 12:08 PM, Genuine Article Comics said:

CGC has to come up with a way to keep the inner well and label attached to one another.  If CGC heat seal/sonic weld the label and inner well together then this scam never happens. CBCS used to sonic weld their label to their inner well. With CBCS's cases being the best on the market for protection, clarity and security they don't need to do that anymore but CGC should absolutely adopt that solution. 

Careful, I received a warning for talk like this yesterday.  Additionally CGC made it mandatory for me to “acknowledge” the infraction to conintue to post. Ironically the whole point of my initial posting was that pressure from competitors might hasten an Acknowledgment of this ordeal from CGC. 
 

Merry Christmas everyone. I hope to come back here tomorrow to find that CGC has announced sweeping changes to their policies, offered a FMV buy back to anyone stuck with any of these fraudulent books and filed federal charges against the scammer. 

On 12/24/2023 at 8:49 PM, mjoeyoung said:

 

“Can sum up the Cole Schave scam in a few sentences”

- responds with a link to a thread with 5,000 posts  LOL

On 12/23/2023 at 5:40 PM, Michael the Comic Collector said:

I can’t believe this has reached 100 pages without any comment from CGC. Not so much as a ‘we are aware of this situation and are investigating the concerns raised by the collector community. The inherent promise reflected by our grading process and guarantee is the most valuable thing to our business, and will investigate all concerns accordingly.’

Shocking we haven’t heard anything. Cgc is failing its customers and this hobby.

They looked at his reholdering history and the entire PR staff all quit

On 12/23/2023 at 10:35 AM, VintageComics said:

For the public record, I've notified Mike about my own post and asked him to not lock the thread in case he was considering it. 

Apologies for the distractions from my end, but it takes more than one person to derail a thread in this way and I'm going to do my part to keep it on track. 

Lock this thread? Zero chance that would ever be seriously considered. If they shut down this conversation while at the same time remaining completely silent would for all intents and purposes confirm everyone’s worst fears. And at that point they might as well make CGC.com a redirect link for cbcs 

On 12/22/2023 at 9:38 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has @CGC Mike said anything yet?

NOT blaming Mike for the silence. He's one of the best mods we've ever had. I'm sure he's well aware of what's going on but not allowed to say at the moment (unless I missed it). Who knows, there may be an active police investigation going on and they don't want to show their hand before they nab the guy(s) laundering books. They could be a big dealer for all we know, an auction house employee, etc.

It’s shocking that they let this go on for a week without even an acknowledgment that they are aware of the situation and are investigating. However this is dwarfes the “controversies” of the past like the acetate cover so maybe they are overhauling their PR playbook. By the way their PR Playbook had one play and it was this…

On 12/21/2023 at 2:27 PM, Bo1983 said:

All slabs are in question now across all third party graders this why I only buy raw and keep them raw!

Not sure about this. The other guys slab, which I have purchased to crack and send in to CGC is significantly harder to break out and in my experience causes much more damage to the entire slab in doing so. Of course I don’t know how the fraudsters opened their slabs so anything is possible I suppose. 
 

BUT, even if they could pull this off at the other graders, why would they when doing it at CGC guarantees you a 25%-50% higher return. So I’m pretty comfortable concluding that this hasn’t happened to them. Yet

fortunately for CGC their competition is utterly clueless and incompetent and will do nothing to capitalize on this opportunity

CGC obviously knows the account associated with the fraud. The very first thing They need to do is release a list of every individual book this account has reholdered and offer to buy back all of them at FMV

CGC is looking at this guy’s grading history and they are so shook they can’t even release a statement 

On 12/20/2023 at 12:59 PM, VintageComics said:

As someone who submits WAY more books than the average Joe, I can say that this view is not correct. 

I've received 9.9's when I expected only 9.8's, and I've submitted books in the hope of 9.9's (and expected them) and only got 9.8s.

So they HAVE handed out 9.9s when the books deserve them. Remember, these graders are also comic fans and if a book is exceptional, they will notice it just like any of us would. 

That's been my experience. 

There has been a demonstrable decline in the number of 9.9 and 10 grades given out since 2017/18. And the further you go back the more 9.9 and 10s you will find. 
 

as to why, I’d theorize that as submissions were growing in the late 2010’s and when they grew exponentially during Covid that the time allotment given to a grader per modern book decreased or the quota on how many books they were expected to grade per hour increased. And in my opinion the time it would likely take a grader to reach the 9.8 threshold with a given book is dwarfed by the time it would take to determine if a 9.8 is a 9.9/10  So once the grader determined the book was a 9.8 they were done  

But that’s just my opinion. The precipitous drop in 9.9 and 10s however is a fact. 
 

I don’t want to derail this important thread so I’ll just leave it at that and you can have the last word if you wish

The fact that CGC has yet to even acknowledge that they are aware of someone potentially defrauding the system and that they are investigating, suggests, to me at least, that they have uncovered a lot more fraud by this account and potentially others. They may want to announce a new more secure slab and/or a series of new security policies along side an admission that they were duped to soften the PR blow

On 12/18/2023 at 9:48 PM, Tnexus said:

I highly doubt CGC will give us details or will admit their security measures have been compromised. About as much as I expect to see is simply Mike popping in to say, "We're looking into it."

That was a Darth Vader joke

However they do need to pop in a say something. Would you feel comfortable buying a high value book right now? Sure it’d probably be legit however this is probably the least amount of faith I’ve had in the CGC product

I find the lack of a response disturbing