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Yeah, I was wrong about that. After I made the comment about the uproar over the "new" labels I should have realized how compressed I had made the old label time-frame in my head. It was many years.

Old label isn't monolithic. Old label lasted for long enough that people complained about the BIG NUMBERS here on the boards and there was a couple of years of CGC graded books before the boards even existed. Anecdotally, we're talking about the first few months as being the tough period of old label. That's what I mean when I say the "very earliest." Not all old label books are perceived as being tightly graded. What you're talking about above is also true. Later old-label books can be seen as being susceptible to SCS or being in a softer period for CGC. There are definitely some old-label books that I have, and many more that I've seen, that would take a hit if they were cracked and resubbed.

The very earliest CGC books have always been regarded as tightly graded. Add pressing to that mix and I'd say a LOT of people have taken advantage of books like this.

Yeah, this would be a vector for an unknown OO Action #1 to survive and surface at some point.

That's what I was referring to with the 1st/2nd generation collectors comment earlier. I think those will be the surprising collections we'll see going forward. Those people were buying Silver Age off of the shelves, as well. So we will likely see some interesting hybrid collections. Real OO for the silver/bronze age stuff and then 2nd hand for the Golden Age books. There's a lot of continuity in the hobby, but there's a lot of room for knowledge of collections acquired in the 60s and 70s to disappear.

I agree that it's possible. I just think we're pushing the traditional OO path to seeing new books since the traditional OO is now OOld.

My $5 is your $5 Certification Number: Grade Date: Title: Issue: Issue Date: Publisher: Country: Variant: Pedigree: Category: Grade: Page Quality: Grade Text: Art Comments: Key Comments: Issue Year: Grader Notes: 09/04/14 0029109005 07/30/01 Detective Comics 27 5/39 D.C. Comics Universal 8.0 OFF-WHITE Finger, Siegel and Chambers stories Bob Kane, Joe Shuster, Jim Chambers and Fred Guardineer art, Bob Kane cover 1st appearance of Batman (Bruce Wayne) and Commissioner James "Jim" Gordon. 1939 Front Cover Small Finger Bends Right Bottom Front Cover Lite Crease Breaks Color Right Center Front Cover Fingerprints Breaks Color Spine Small Stress Lines

One thing- we don't know for a fact that this copy is he missing Mastro copy. It just seems (to me at least) to be the likeliest scenario. Of course, the second most likely scenario is that it's a copy that sold in the 1990s, so that's not a new copy either. But, we really don't know that this is the Mastro copy. As was pointed out, t might just be a promotional image put together with the Mastro scan. As for fresh-to-market books, if you mean "new to the hobby" then I think we're near the practical end of that possibility. We're looking at a 90-year old original owner for an Action 1 bought at 10 years old. It's still possible, but we're pushing it to the limit these days. I think (hope?) there will be some surprising collections that come out of early (1st and 2nd generation) fandom.

There I go dancing around the issue again:

Also, when I say "easily improvable" I'm not talking about magic or wishes.

If I'm supposedly avoiding the fact that this book was pressed I'm doing it in a funny way by saying the book was likely "pressed"

here's a larger version of the scan. I got the grader's notes. I believe it was graded harshly at the time and has easily improvable issues ("finger bends" on the back cover being the most obvious)

Might CGC be inadvertently trolling me with my own scan?

Bummer. I would love to be able to at least compare it to the Mastro copy.

I listed it as the 3rd most valuable comic book and the most valuable slabbed book. I valued it at 4,000,000 last year.

Yes.

My policy with his books is that they exist. I don't track them.

And... there are no Larson copies of any of these books.

There are no Allentown copies of any of these books.

There's a Church All-Star 8 and a Church Sensation #1. Both have traded hands publicly, although both have been locked away since the 1990s. The All-star 8 sold for $70,000 in 1995. the Sensation #1 sold for $60,000 in 1995 and then $90,000 in 1996. The church WW #1 is missing. I haven't re-researched these books in several years, so there might be other pedigree copies that I missed way back when.

Yeah, other than the WW1 result (the super-public-mega-short-term-flip is always a silly strategy) these books did really well. I think theAS8 and Sensation 1 are GREAT results.

I think 2x the realized value of the sensation 1 would have been about right for the AS8. I think it definitely overachieved.

ending... tonight!

Those are good choices if you're picking your DD spots.