cd4ever Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 20 hours ago, comicginger1789 said: Also extremely pleased with this one. I docked it hard because of a bunch of spine ticks on the back. Was also pressed. I thought 7.5ish Very generous. BlowUpTheMoon and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 15 hours ago, I like pie said: What...no 9.9's? I like pie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, cd4ever said: Very generous. Very. Sorry for bashing, but CGC was in a good mood that day. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, joeypost said: Very. Sorry for bashing, but CGC was in a good mood that day. I thought so too... You should see the GI Joe #21 Canadian Price Variant my buddy sent in...was maybe a 4.5-5.0 by my eyes. He was praying for a 6.0 I said haha yeah you pray to the comic gods and well, it came back 8.0!!! I will try to post pics...a press def helped but spine ticks galore on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: I will try to post pics...a press def helped but spine ticks galore on it. Not trying to bash either, but are you really delighted when an obvious gift grade comes in like that? I wouldn't be happy with that at all, either as a copy to own or if I planned to sell it. You rightly thought 7.5ish, as that is much more accurate for that amount of spine ticks. Is a manifestly overgraded book ever a good thing? How could you sell that with a straight face (not you, just in general)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like pie Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, joeypost said: What...no 9.9's? I know, right? I was certain I taped a shiny quarter to the back of each cover for the graders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, cd4ever said: Did they mess up the Darth Vader 1 and the Darth Maul 1? Switched at birth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toro Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 21 hours ago, comicginger1789 said: Also extremely pleased with this one. I docked it hard because of a bunch of spine ticks on the back. Was also pressed. I thought 7.5ish I'm not bashing you or this book, but it is something like this that gets me upset when an awesome book with no spine ticks comes back as an 8.0 or 8.5. Yet I myself have an Avatar Goon #1 with 3 color breaking spine ticks that I was hoping for a 9.0 come back as a 9.8. I just laughed and shook my head, so I cannot throw stones. But in a grading contest, I would hammer both books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said: Not trying to bash either, but are you really delighted when an obvious gift grade comes in like that? I wouldn't be happy with that at all, either as a copy to own or if I planned to sell it. You rightly thought 7.5ish, as that is much more accurate for that amount of spine ticks. Is a manifestly overgraded book ever a good thing? How could you sell that with a straight face (not you, just in general)? I see your point. I mean, rest assured, it’s not entering hands other than mine. And really, if you took away the ticks, there are no flaws. The front is easily a 9.4-9.6 range. It’s only once flipped over you can see those spine ticks. I’m not saying it’s right but if you are at a 9.4-9.6 on the front and a 7.5 on the back, that averages out to around 8.5-9.0 which they gave. I’m not saying this is right or even the way I personally grade but it appears to be the way this book was graded. Really it’s all just proof that for every legit grade of a book they give there is probably one that is not legit. My question to the community here would be how many times should I submit this to get an accurate grade? I would def consider doing so as an experiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, toro said: I'm not bashing you or this book, but it is something like this that gets me upset when an awesome book with no spine ticks comes back as an 8.0 or 8.5. Yet I myself have an Avatar Goon #1 with 3 color breaking spine ticks that I was hoping for a 9.0 come back as a 9.8. I just laughed and shook my head, so I cannot throw stones. But in a grading contest, I would hammer both books. Me too but maybe CGC does not hammer spine ticks as hard, especially when more visible on the back than front? Or we got gifts? I mean I have seen CGC give VF grades for books with small water stain marks on back covers. Personally any stains especially ones the size of a nickel or larger knock a book into the Fine range but if it’s the only real flaw, it seems CGC doesn’t hammer it the same way…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Has anyone ever tested CGC like that? Subbing a book 4 or five times in a row and seeing what happens? Costly but not tremendously. I can’t find evidence of anyone doing it tho….I’d be inclined to. Edited June 17, 2021 by comicginger1789 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toro Posted June 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: Has anyone ever tested CGC like that? Subbing a book 4 or five times in a row and seeing what happens? Costly but not tremendously. I can’t find evidence of anyone doing it tho….I’d be inclined to. With current turn around times we would find out the results some time in 2030. comicginger1789, Larryw7, Legion of Goom and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 21 hours ago, comicginger1789 said: Also extremely pleased with this one. I docked it hard because of a bunch of spine ticks on the back. Was also pressed. I thought 7.5ish Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: Has anyone ever tested CGC like that? Subbing a book 4 or five times in a row and seeing what happens? Costly but not tremendously. I can’t find evidence of anyone doing it tho….I’d be inclined to. I've read several accounts of people sending in the same book as part of a 25 book submission for 9.8 prescreens until it finally gets graded as a 9.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: I see your point. I mean, rest assured, it’s not entering hands other than mine. And really, if you took away the ticks, there are no flaws. The front is easily a 9.4-9.6 range. It’s only once flipped over you can see those spine ticks. I’m not saying it’s right but if you are at a 9.4-9.6 on the front and a 7.5 on the back, that averages out to around 8.5-9.0 which they gave. I’m not saying this is right or even the way I personally grade but it appears to be the way this book was graded. Really it’s all just proof that for every legit grade of a book they give there is probably one that is not legit. My question to the community here would be how many times should I submit this to get an accurate grade? I would def consider doing so as an experiment I don't really know how CGC grade - I'm not comfortable myself with the trade off approach - the good front / bad back average etc. The comic is one entity, and the spine ticks take it out of the VFN/NM range for me regardless of how nice the front looks. This from their site: Your book only has good eye appeal from the front, and would you call those spine ticks minor handling wear? Maybe the guy in front of you in the queue has a lovely looking 7.5..... Number 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said: I don't really know how CGC grade - I'm not comfortable myself with the trade off approach - the good front / bad back average etc. The comic is one entity, and the spine ticks take it out of the VFN/NM range for me regardless of how nice the front looks. This from their site: Your book only has good eye appeal from the front, and would you call those spine ticks minor handling wear? Maybe the guy in front of you in the queue has a lovely looking 7.5..... Maybe it is a screw up you could be right. Now I’m intrigued to see if I resubmit 3-4 more times what it comes back at. If I send the book back for a regrade and they do grade a 7.5 would they compensate me for my time? Or just say “we human, we oopsed but thanks for the money” and be done with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, William-James88 said: I've read several accounts of people sending in the same book as part of a 25 book submission for 9.8 prescreens until it finally gets graded as a 9.8. Yeah I know that happens. Like my Hulk 340 I’m sure could one day be a 9.8 I more so meant a book with truly visible flaws. That should be a whole grade point or more lower than it got, by most accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, comicginger1789 said: Maybe it is a screw up you could be right. Now I’m intrigued to see if I resubmit 3-4 more times what it comes back at. If I send the book back for a regrade and they do grade a 7.5 would they compensate me for my time? Or just say “we human, we oopsed but thanks for the money” and be done with me They'd probably say that a 1.5 difference is a normal and acceptable variance between graders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said: They'd probably say that a 1.5 difference is a normal and acceptable variance between graders As a math teacher I don’t like variance that large…0.5 to 1 at most. Did the same grader gift me here too? The back seemed very dirtied for an 8.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlowUpTheMoon Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: Has anyone ever tested CGC like that? Subbing a book 4 or five times in a row and seeing what happens? Costly but not tremendously. I can’t find evidence of anyone doing it tho….I’d be inclined to. I've sent the same book in three times to see if the page color would change. It didn't. MetalPSI and greggy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
