Do You Want Fries With That?

[DrWatson]

 Originally Posted By: DrWatson

 Originally Posted By: joe_collector

The pressing threads always get out of hand...

 

On one side we have the dealers who stand to profit most, the collectors and investors who are sitting on a pile of CGC 9.6 - 9.8 nosebleed books, and the various "enablers" who profit from this practice, from Matt to CGC.

 

On the other we have the majority of the collector base, who finds this practice unsavory, and fears that rampant pressing-greed will cause the house of cards to come tumbling down and send the hobby into another dark age.

 

Neither side will see the other's point-of-view, as one sees "live for today" money to be made no matter the consequences to the hobby, while the other unrealistically hopes for sanity in a world where a $15 press can yield thousands of dollars in return.

 

That post is nothing but a hogwash of gibberish based on your own personal opinion with absolutely no basis in fact.

 

Interesting, so then no one is making any money on pressing books? Very interesting stance.

You twist everything and every post so that it becomes reactionary. Where is this "majority of the collector base" that finds pressing so unsavory. Are they located in the same place as all the profit mongering dealers who have absolutely no ethics whatsoever, who press any and every book they can get their hands on, sell them to the high grade collectors who are the ruination of the hobby and "will cause the house of cards to come tumbling down and send the hobby into another dark age?" Please, tell me. I want to know, because I haven't seen them in Texas. I haven't seen them in Chicago. And I dare say that I won't find them in Baltimore either. Oh and as far as my stance is concerned, I'd press Flipper for a tuna sandwich. (thumbs u

[OldGuy]

Dude, you would argue with a person if the glass is half empty or half full, simply just to argue

 

I only argue when I'm right and others are wrong.

 

[DrWatson]

 Originally Posted By: DrWatson

 Originally Posted By: joe_collector

 Originally Posted By: DrWatson

Yes, perhaps Susan can spearhead a seminar on how to detect pressed books since, according to information posted here, her accuracy rate is at 100%. <br /><br />

 

Yeah, and CGC has proven that its resto detection is 100%, right?

Yes, just like you've proven you are an assclown 100%

 

And there we have it. Doc busts out with the name calling.

 

The truth hurts.

[GACollectibles]

Oh and as far as my stance is concerned, I'd press Flipper for a tuna sandwich. (thumbs u

 

Now THAT I'd like to see, I thought Flipper was a dolphin!

[nik]

 Originally Posted By: DrWatson

Oh and as far as my stance is concerned, I'd press Flipper for a tuna sandwich.

 

Now THAT I'd like to see, I thought Flipper was a dolphin!

I thought he was a porpoise

[OldGuy]

 Originally Posted By: DrWatson

Oh and as far as my stance is concerned, I'd press Flipper for a tuna sandwich.

 

Now THAT I'd like to see, I thought Flipper was a dolphin!

As long as there's money to be made on that sandwich, who cares?! (thumbs u

[MrBedrock]

Like you said, one is a job and another is a hobby. Has the rampant proliferation of pressing really contributed to the overall well-being of our hobby?

I would suppose that if it pressing has turned off only one collector then the answer would be no. But on the flip side, I would say that in the time since pressing has been debated there has been a dramatic increase in the number of people who are buying and selling back issues.

So I really don't know how to answer your question. I doubt if there is a right or wrong answer to it.

[GACollectibles]

 

I thought he was a porpoise

 

Bottlenose Dolphin - cuz the web says so!

[COI]

 Originally Posted By: CaptainOfIndustry

 Originally Posted By: joe_collector

 Originally Posted By: agro23

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

I have had many of the books in my collection pressed. And I assure you I have no intention of selling them.

 

And of course, he has it stated in his will that upon his death, all of these pressed books will be destroyed so that no one in his family can profiteer on them, right?

 

I've tried making that point at least twice in this thread, but the "I'll never sell" crowd isn't biting.

Because it is a ridiculous argument.

 

When I decide to sell them, I am going to make a S H I T load of money.

But that is not the reason that I had them pressed. You can continue to convince yourself that it is. But it ain't

Point I made earlier in this thread:

I'm just generally skeptical about the notion that collectors have no intention of ever selling. I think re-sale MUST be a consideration to some degree for those who collect at the higher end of the spectrum(and let's face it, any collector who is getting books pressed for their collection is a serious collector), even if it's the collector's heirs who will be doing the selling long after he/she is 6 feet under.So if re-sale is always a factor to some degree, as I believe it is, the potential benefits to re-sale provided by pressing cannot be completely ignored.

And here's another:

I refuse to accept that you spend the money you do(I've seen some of your books \(worship\) ) on your collection without considering their potential resale value, regardless of whether you think you're ever going to sell or not.

Thanks for proving my "ridiculous" point.

[awe4one]

I literally had to peel the covers off the front pages. At the time I didn't know about pressing and wondered what was going on. You may find pressed books that open up normally, but is only because the presser unstuck everything before sending it back to you

 

You can buy raw books from a couple sellers in the Forum marketplace where this occurs...

 

Jim

[MrBedrock]

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

 Originally Posted By: CaptainOfIndustry

 Originally Posted By: joe_collector

 Originally Posted By: agro23

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

I have had many of the books in my collection pressed. And I assure you I have no intention of selling them.

 

And of course, he has it stated in his will that upon his death, all of these pressed books will be destroyed so that no one in his family can profiteer on them, right?

 

I've tried making that point at least twice in this thread, but the "I'll never sell" crowd isn't biting.

Because it is a ridiculous argument.

 

When I decide to sell them, I am going to make a S H I T load of money.

But that is not the reason that I had them pressed. You can continue to convince yourself that it is. But it ain't

 

Are you serious? You just acknowledged that when you sell(not IF, WHEN), you stand to make a S H I T load of money, yet you're trying to tell me that isn't a factor when deciding whether or not to have a book pressed?

 

And you're saying my argument is ridiculous?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Let me repeat it....It is ridiculous of you to be certain that profit is the motivating factor in me having my books pressed.

[Foolkiller]

There's another effect going on. People are buying books -- and you can make sales -- based strictly on the fact that someone will press your book to a higher grade. I have many books in my collection that I could press, but just choose not to. Not a game I really want to play. On the other hand, I still don't see anything wrong with pressing a book to make money. I just don't. Just because it is a hobby for us, doesn't mean it's not a business for some.

 

I disagree with my friend Gene on this subject because to me, you're saying you're disgusted with the ethics... but the reality is, this "hobby" is no more shielded than any other line of business -- and that's what it has become for many. So if they want to "maximize profits" by engaging in something that may or may not harm the book or manipulate it to make a profit, then while I don't care to do it personally and find it unnecessary, I don't find it unethical.

 

Still, I always throw this out there... I stand behind the fact that I don't think pressing is a bad thing nor do I think there's anything wrong with it -- why won't the pressers just disclose they are selling some pressed books? Major dealers, board members, other collectors -- they are all pressing books right now. Why not just end this argument, give the disclosure and let the market decide. I know it's about money, but if you truly believe you are right on this argument you should not fear any financial fall out.

[joeypost]

 Originally Posted By: The_Black_Hand

 Originally Posted By: cd4ever

Interesting thread.

 

12-15 bucks to restore a book in a way that can potentially increase its value hundreds of dollars if not more and yet is completely undetectable so noone, say a buyer for example, need ever know! .

 

Brilliant!!!!

 

 

And as more pancackes come into the market, that flattened, pancaked look will become the norm, making it even harder to detect.

You do realize, as shocking as it might seem, that you cant tell the difference between a pressed and non-pressed book, correct? I mean seriously, your hyperbole is based on ignorance or how and what pressing actually does.

Either that, or you are deliberatly being obtuse to be over the top with your characterization of pressing and your dissproval of the process

Not entirely true. Once in a slab..yes, there is now way to tell the difference (unless maybe square bound books). Raw you can tell when a book has been under pressure (artificial or natural) as it has a certain look and feel to it, and it makes a definitive sound when opened.

[OldGuy]

 Originally Posted By: Monkeyman

I literally had to peel the covers off the front pages. At the time I didn't know about pressing and wondered what was going on. You may find pressed books that open up normally, but is only because the presser unstuck everything before sending it back to you

 

You can buy raw books from a couple sellers in the Forum marketplace where this occurs...

 

Jim

Raw books aren't pressed.

[GACollectibles]

 

Not entirely true. Once in a slab..yes, there is now way to tell the difference (unless maybe square bound books). Raw you can tell when a book has been under pressure (artificial or natural) as it has a certain look and feel to it, and it makes a definitive sound when opened.

 

The sound of money being flushed down a toilet?

[Monkeyman]

 Originally Posted By: Monkeyman

I literally had to peel the covers off the front pages. At the time I didn't know about pressing and wondered what was going on. You may find pressed books that open up normally, but is only because the presser unstuck everything before sending it back to you

 

You can buy raw books from a couple sellers in the Forum marketplace where this occurs...

 

Jim

[VintageComics]

 Originally Posted By: mschmidt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header"> Originally Posted By: Monkeyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><br /><br />The problem is that I can tell the difference between raw and slabbed, DC and Marvel, SA and GA from a scan. I can't tell if a book has been pressed from a scan. So how am I going to go about enjoying what I collect, which is, among other things, unpressed books, when the pressing isn't disclosed?<br /><br />Mike</div></div> <br /><br />

 

If you can't tell whether the book has been pressed or not, why does it matter?

 

See bold above. You are assuming that I leave the books in the slabs. I bought a couple of books from Ewert a few years ago and, once I broke them out of the slabs, I literally had to peel the covers off the front pages. At the time I didn't know about pressing and wondered what was going on. You may find pressed books that open up normally, but is only because the presser unstuck everything before sending it back to you.

 

Mike

Wow, I just read this whole thread, here we go again.Mike, that is not possible. CGC puts an interleaving page between the cover and first and last wraps AND each page is flipped through by CGC for a check on completeness and resto...so it's not possible for all the pages to be stuck together in a slab from pressing.

[COI]

 Originally Posted By: CaptainOfIndustry

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

 Originally Posted By: CaptainOfIndustry

 Originally Posted By: joe_collector

 Originally Posted By: agro23

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

I have had many of the books in my collection pressed. And I assure you I have no intention of selling them.

 

And of course, he has it stated in his will that upon his death, all of these pressed books will be destroyed so that no one in his family can profiteer on them, right?

 

I've tried making that point at least twice in this thread, but the "I'll never sell" crowd isn't biting.

Because it is a ridiculous argument.

 

When I decide to sell them, I am going to make a S H I T load of money.

But that is not the reason that I had them pressed. You can continue to convince yourself that it is. But it ain't

 

Are you serious? You just acknowledged that when you sell(not IF, WHEN), you stand to make a S H I T load of money, yet you're trying to tell me that isn't a factor when deciding whether or not to have a book pressed?

 

And you're saying my argument is ridiculous?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Let me repeat it....

It is ridiculous of you to be certain that profit is the motivating factor in me having my books pressed.

If you go back several pages, I already gave you the benefit of the doubt by acknowledging that profit may not be the sole motivating factor behind you pressing your books. What I'm saying is that I refuse to believe it doesn't play some part, and I can never take the whole I'll never sell thing seriously. Collectors are fickle and priorities change.

[joeypost]

 Originally Posted By: agro23

 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock

I have had many of the books in my collection pressed. And I assure you I have no intention of selling them.

 

I plan on being entombed with my collection. In a Crypt....climate controlled and pest proof. A custodian will change the backing boards every seven years and add new acid neutralising paper.

You or the books

[nik]

 Originally Posted By: awe4one

 Originally Posted By: Monkeyman

I literally had to peel the covers off the front pages. At the time I didn't know about pressing and wondered what was going on. You may find pressed books that open up normally, but is only because the presser unstuck everything before sending it back to you

 

You can buy raw books from a couple sellers in the Forum marketplace where this occurs...

 

Jim

 

Raw books aren't pressed.

 

Glass is half full