ROBOJO 33 DISCUSSION Thread WARNING! ROBOJO inside!

[ComicKing-migration]

it's should be obvious why the other two faces have been blurred, they are innocent and should not be involved in danny boy's crooked mess.

 

 

 

Wow, I get this "Sociopath" vibe from just the picture. Even though the faces are blurred it looks he does pick up some hot looking women. But don't all sociopaths?

 

I think those are kids....

 

Ooops, than my powers of observation are way off.

 

double posted.

[mr_highgrade]

Hey Perry, Can you please explain this...

 

http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3767446&p_corpid=3426267&p_entity_name=%73%74%72%6F%75%64%20%63%6F%72%70&p_name_type=%41&p_search_type=%42%45%47%49%4E%53&p_srch_results_page=0

[comixcroz]

So pretty much you guys are saying that chances are this ASM #2 is restored? Would probably be a good idea to email some of his winners and see if they got burned, especially the winner of this auction.

 

I have yet to read up on this guy, will get around to it later.

 

They're implying alot of things, but the chances that this AS 2 will be returned with a purple label are so negligible that I would be willing to pull the listing now and we can set up a wager as to the Blue or purple labeled outcome of this comic.

It would be quite easy to set up. I trust Mark Zaid, as you ll do. I do not know him, but I know who he is.

If they can cover a $5000 wager, I'll give three to one odds, my $15,000 against your combined $5000 that the #2, or any other comic I am offering as unrestored, will return from CGC with a blue label.

You could ask Mr. Zaid if he'd submit the #2, which I would send to him, I'll also send him a $15,000 wire which he can hold, and you all can pool your $5,000 and send your end of the wager to him to hold as well. Then he'll submit the comic, I'll pay for express grading and cover all his expenses for postage as well, and when the comic is returned to him, he'll either send my $15,000 to the pool of bettors or send me the book back and your $5,000. Meaning you each get $4.00 back for every $1 you wagered! If this comic is restored, this should be a very easy score for all pool bettors.

My money is firmly behind my restoration detection ability and committment to full disclosure. Do we have a wager?

 

if this is the case, then why don't you send it in to cgc yourself before selling it? for that matter why don't you send in all of your comics. Everyone knows that you would make a TON more money if they came back blue labeled and at the advertised grade.

 

This is the case and all the accusations in the world don't speak louder than a cash wager on what I know to be true about my full disclosure.

I don't think I'd make a ton of money more. I think with grading/postage fees, lost time, comics in transit/flux, based on what I get now from buyers who do submit and do very well with my comics, it would be a wash. I just don't see the fascination with submission. I understand it, but I don't indulge in it. I've never been a submissive sort and submission itself, of any kind, goes against my nature, sorry to say.

the last blue label AMS 2 graded at 9.6 sold for $72,000.00 you don't call that a TON more money?

 

I have no idea how much a ton of money is. I would think a ton of even $1 bills would be more than $72,000. I guess it depends on the face value of the bills. I'm willing to bet $15,000 against $5000 that the comic is not restored. I'm not willing to bet $15,000 on the numerical outcome of the comic. To do so would be sheer folly.

I grade a comic. The buyer either agrees with my grade or asks for a refund. The majority of the time, the buyer is in agreement. I make no guarantees of what the comic will grade at CGC. My grade is an opinion of what I think it should grade.

Sometimes my comics make the grade at CGC, sometimes they don't, and sometimes actually they grade higher.

I have never guaranteed a CGC grade, or as I read in another post, "swore that a comic would grade a certain numerical grade at CGC".

what seems to be sheer folly is the fact that you have these GEMS, for example, an Amazing Spider-man 2 in NM+ condition, apparently unrestored, and you are willing to sell it for a fraction of what it is worth because you don't want to wait 20 business days for it to come back from cgc. All I'm saying is, if I had these books and I knew them to be unrestored, I sure as heck would be trying to maximize their value by sending them in to a grading company.

[Superman2006]

So pretty much you guys are saying that chances are this ASM #2 is restored? Would probably be a good idea to email some of his winners and see if they got burned, especially the winner of this auction.

 

I have yet to read up on this guy, will get around to it later.

 

They're implying alot of things, but the chances that this AS 2 will be returned with a purple label are so negligible that I would be willing to pull the listing now and we can set up a wager as to the Blue or purple labeled outcome of this comic.

It would be quite easy to set up. I trust Mark Zaid, as you ll do. I do not know him, but I know who he is.

If they can cover a $5000 wager, I'll give three to one odds, my $15,000 against your combined $5000 that the #2, or any other comic I am offering as unrestored, will return from CGC with a blue label.

You could ask Mr. Zaid if he'd submit the #2, which I would send to him, I'll also send him a $15,000 wire which he can hold, and you all can pool your $5,000 and send your end of the wager to him to hold as well. Then he'll submit the comic, I'll pay for express grading and cover all his expenses for postage as well, and when the comic is returned to him, he'll either send my $15,000 to the pool of bettors or send me the book back and your $5,000. Meaning you each get $4.00 back for every $1 you wagered! If this comic is restored, this should be a very easy score for all pool bettors.

My money is firmly behind my restoration detection ability and committment to full disclosure. Do we have a wager?

 

Call me crazy, but I don't doubt so much that the ASM #2 or your other current offerings are unrestored, but I am skeptical that they would come back from CGC at the grade represented. From what I understand, your guarantee has to do with restoration but not with regard to grade. Any chance you'd be willing to make friendly wager regarding the grade that the ASM #2 would come back in if CGC'd (of course it would need to come back unrestored as well, to ensure that it isn't enhanced to get it up to a given grade). Would you be willing to offer the same terms except you win if it comes back unrestored 9.6 or better, and we win if it doesn't?

 

[comixcroz]

what seems to be sheer folly is the fact that you have these GEMS, for example, an Amazing Spider-man 2 in NM+ condition, apparently unrestored, and you are willing to sell it for a fraction of what it is worth because you don't want to wait 20 business days for it to come back from cgc. All I'm saying is, if I had these books and I knew them to be unrestored, I sure as heck would be trying to maximize their value by sending them in to a grading company.

 

Or maybe you are pretty confident it will not come back a blue labeled 9.6

[ComicKing-migration]

Hey Perry, Can you please explain this...

 

http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3767446&p_corpid=3426267&p_entity_name=%73%74%72%6F%75%64%20%63%6F%72%70&p_name_type=%41&p_search_type=%42%45%47%49%4E%53&p_srch_results_page=0

 

Like I've stated many times. I rent office space from RK. Also, I've made no secret about meeting him many years ago as he and I are both avid bowlers and participated in the same league. He introduced me to comics and I have had dealings with him, as I have also stated before.

Although Richard is no longer in the comic business and has nothing to do with the day to day operation of the corp., the corp. was easy to set it up that way, in my name, but with the office address that I was renting and the owner of the home as the owner of the property.

It was never changed because it wasn't necessary. On all accounts, I am the sole operator.

[ComicKing-migration]

what seems to be sheer folly is the fact that you have these GEMS, for example, an Amazing Spider-man 2 in NM+ condition, apparently unrestored, and you are willing to sell it for a fraction of what it is worth because you don't want to wait 20 business days for it to come back from cgc. All I'm saying is, if I had these books and I knew them to be unrestored, I sure as heck would be trying to maximize their value by sending them in to a grading company.

 

Or maybe you are pretty confident it will not come back a blue labeled 9.6

 

So although raw eBay sellers do not guarantee CGC grades, I'm to be held to that implauible standard of guaranteering numerical grades on every listing?

 

[TeddieMercede]

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[ComicKing-migration]

So pretty much you guys are saying that chances are this ASM #2 is restored? Would probably be a good idea to email some of his winners and see if they got burned, especially the winner of this auction.

 

I have yet to read up on this guy, will get around to it later.

 

They're implying alot of things, but the chances that this AS 2 will be returned with a purple label are so negligible that I would be willing to pull the listing now and we can set up a wager as to the Blue or purple labeled outcome of this comic.

It would be quite easy to set up. I trust Mark Zaid, as you ll do. I do not know him, but I know who he is.

If they can cover a $5000 wager, I'll give three to one odds, my $15,000 against your combined $5000 that the #2, or any other comic I am offering as unrestored, will return from CGC with a blue label.

You could ask Mr. Zaid if he'd submit the #2, which I would send to him, I'll also send him a $15,000 wire which he can hold, and you all can pool your $5,000 and send your end of the wager to him to hold as well. Then he'll submit the comic, I'll pay for express grading and cover all his expenses for postage as well, and when the comic is returned to him, he'll either send my $15,000 to the pool of bettors or send me the book back and your $5,000. Meaning you each get $4.00 back for every $1 you wagered! If this comic is restored, this should be a very easy score for all pool bettors.

My money is firmly behind my restoration detection ability and committment to full disclosure. Do we have a wager?

 

Call me crazy, but I don't doubt so much that the ASM #2 or your other current offerings are unrestored, but I am skeptical that they would come back from CGC at the grade represented. From what I understand, your guarantee has to do with restoration but not with regard to grade. Any chance you'd be willing to make friendly wager regarding the grade that the ASM #2 would come back in if CGC'd (of course it would need to come back unrestored as well, to ensure that it isn't enhanced to get it up to a given grade). Would you be willing to offer the same terms except you win if it comes back unrestored 9.6 or better, and we win if it doesn't?

 

 

Can you make a quick list for me of all the sellers in the hobby who guarantee a specific CGC grade on every raw sale?

I'd be interested in seeing that list.

[Superman2006]

what seems to be sheer folly is the fact that you have these GEMS, for example, an Amazing Spider-man 2 in NM+ condition, apparently unrestored, and you are willing to sell it for a fraction of what it is worth because you don't want to wait 20 business days for it to come back from cgc. All I'm saying is, if I had these books and I knew them to be unrestored, I sure as heck would be trying to maximize their value by sending them in to a grading company.

 

Or maybe you are pretty confident it will not come back a blue labeled 9.6

 

So although raw eBay sellers do not guarantee CGC grades, I'm to be held to that implauible standard of guaranteering numerical grades on every listing?

 

To be fair, I think that would be unrealistic, but if you'd care to wager on the ASM #2...

[comixcroz]

and what the heck is the deal with not providing scans? not even a pic of the back cover?

 

I admit that FF 45 you had listed was gorgeous! But I can't drop $700 on a book without a peak at the bc.

[Superman2006]

So pretty much you guys are saying that chances are this ASM #2 is restored? Would probably be a good idea to email some of his winners and see if they got burned, especially the winner of this auction.

 

I have yet to read up on this guy, will get around to it later.

 

They're implying alot of things, but the chances that this AS 2 will be returned with a purple label are so negligible that I would be willing to pull the listing now and we can set up a wager as to the Blue or purple labeled outcome of this comic.

It would be quite easy to set up. I trust Mark Zaid, as you ll do. I do not know him, but I know who he is.

If they can cover a $5000 wager, I'll give three to one odds, my $15,000 against your combined $5000 that the #2, or any other comic I am offering as unrestored, will return from CGC with a blue label.

You could ask Mr. Zaid if he'd submit the #2, which I would send to him, I'll also send him a $15,000 wire which he can hold, and you all can pool your $5,000 and send your end of the wager to him to hold as well. Then he'll submit the comic, I'll pay for express grading and cover all his expenses for postage as well, and when the comic is returned to him, he'll either send my $15,000 to the pool of bettors or send me the book back and your $5,000. Meaning you each get $4.00 back for every $1 you wagered! If this comic is restored, this should be a very easy score for all pool bettors.

My money is firmly behind my restoration detection ability and committment to full disclosure. Do we have a wager?

 

Call me crazy, but I don't doubt so much that the ASM #2 or your other current offerings are unrestored, but I am skeptical that they would come back from CGC at the grade represented. From what I understand, your guarantee has to do with restoration but not with regard to grade. Any chance you'd be willing to make friendly wager regarding the grade that the ASM #2 would come back in if CGC'd (of course it would need to come back unrestored as well, to ensure that it isn't enhanced to get it up to a given grade). Would you be willing to offer the same terms except you win if it comes back unrestored 9.6 or better, and we win if it doesn't?

 

 

Can you make a quick list for me of all the sellers in the hobby who guarantee a specific CGC grade on every raw sale?

I'd be interested in seeing that list.

 

No one, and I don't think that would be realistic. I'm just asking if you'd be willing to make a friendly wager on the ASM #2...

[thehumantorch]

So pretty much you guys are saying that chances are this ASM #2 is restored? Would probably be a good idea to email some of his winners and see if they got burned, especially the winner of this auction.

 

I have yet to read up on this guy, will get around to it later.

 

They're implying alot of things, but the chances that this AS 2 will be returned with a purple label are so negligible that I would be willing to pull the listing now and we can set up a wager as to the Blue or purple labeled outcome of this comic.

It would be quite easy to set up. I trust Mark Zaid, as you ll do. I do not know him, but I know who he is.

If they can cover a $5000 wager, I'll give three to one odds, my $15,000 against your combined $5000 that the #2, or any other comic I am offering as unrestored, will return from CGC with a blue label.

You could ask Mr. Zaid if he'd submit the #2, which I would send to him, I'll also send him a $15,000 wire which he can hold, and you all can pool your $5,000 and send your end of the wager to him to hold as well. Then he'll submit the comic, I'll pay for express grading and cover all his expenses for postage as well, and when the comic is returned to him, he'll either send my $15,000 to the pool of bettors or send me the book back and your $5,000. Meaning you each get $4.00 back for every $1 you wagered! If this comic is restored, this should be a very easy score for all pool bettors.

My money is firmly behind my restoration detection ability and committment to full disclosure. Do we have a wager?

 

if this is the case, then why don't you send it in to cgc yourself before selling it? for that matter why don't you send in all of your comics. Everyone knows that you would make a TON more money if they came back blue labeled and at the advertised grade.

 

This is the case and all the accusations in the world don't speak louder than a cash wager on what I know to be true about my full disclosure.

I don't think I'd make a ton of money more. I think with grading/postage fees, lost time, comics in transit/flux, based on what I get now from buyers who do submit and do very well with my comics, it would be a wash. I just don't see the fascination with submission. I understand it, but I don't indulge in it. I've never been a submissive sort and submission itself, of any kind, goes against my nature, sorry to say.

 

 

I completely understand what you are saying. I also know that people carry with them a reputation, a history. What we all want to know is where these stories and threads are coming from if they are not true? A reputation is not grown out of thin air...

 

I have no idea what is and what isn't true about Dupcak/Fantazia and/or Koos/Comickeys. Whatever is or isn't is a moot point to me. I'm neither one of them.

 

I'm sorry, if you aren't Dupcak or Koos could you tell me your name. Thanks, I'm confused in Canada.

[ComicKing-migration]

what seems to be sheer folly is the fact that you have these GEMS, for example, an Amazing Spider-man 2 in NM+ condition, apparently unrestored, and you are willing to sell it for a fraction of what it is worth because you don't want to wait 20 business days for it to come back from cgc. All I'm saying is, if I had these books and I knew them to be unrestored, I sure as heck would be trying to maximize their value by sending them in to a grading company.

 

Or maybe you are pretty confident it will not come back a blue labeled 9.6

 

So although raw eBay sellers do not guarantee CGC grades, I'm to be held to that implauible standard of guaranteering numerical grades on every listing?

 

To be fair, I think that would be unrealistic, but if you'd care to wager on the ASM #2...

 

I already did pose a wager. On it being unrestored. I was wrongly accused of listing a restored comic as unrestored. Nobody seems to want any part of backing up that accusation and accepting my wager. Not even the one(s) that made the accusations or commented on it. The gears were switched fairly quickly when I made that wager to a proposed wager that no seller of a raw comic in their right mind would make.

[comixcroz]

Well obviously you think that book has a chance at a 9.6, right? otherwise wtf are you doing putting 9.6 in the title.

 

If I had a ASM 2 that I thought had a real shot at a blue lable 9.6 I'd send it in.

 

You would be stupid not to see if you could realize a cgc 9.6 at the tune of 72k

 

That's all I'm saying...

[ComicKing-migration]

and what the heck is the deal with not providing scans? not even a pic of the back cover?

 

I admit that FF 45 you had listed was gorgeous! But I can't drop $700 on a book without a peak at the bc.

 

It is and the buyer will undoubtedly love it.Chances are that you aked for an image on the weekend. I'm not in my office on weekends. As per my "Me" page:

 

We welcome your questions on listings and any concerns or questions you may have. Emailing Robotics223@aol.com or contacting us through any of the eBay pages on Monday through Friday will receive a very quick response. Contacts on Saturday and Sunday may or may not incur a slight delay, until we're back into the office on Monday.

 

For additional Sunday listing information, it's always best to ask questions on Monday through Friday, so we will assuredly address and prioritize your info requests

 

[ComicKing-migration]

Well obviously you think that book has a chance at a 9.6, right? otherwise wtf are you doing putting 9.6 in the title.

 

If I had a ASM 2 that I thought had a real shot at a blue lable 9.6 I'd send it in.

 

You would be stupid not to see if you could realize a cgc 9.6 at the tune of 72k

 

That's all I'm saying...

 

Everything I buy raw gets listed raw.

Everything I buy slabbed gets listed slabbed.

No exceptions.

 

[Chi Bamm]

Well obviously you think that book has a chance at a 9.6, right? otherwise wtf are you doing putting 9.6 in the title.

 

If I had a ASM 2 that I thought had a real shot at a blue lable 9.6 I'd send it in.

 

You would be stupid not to see if you could realize a cgc 9.6 at the tune of 72k

 

That's all I'm saying...

 

Everything I buy raw gets listed raw.

Everything I buy slabbed gets listed slabbed.

No exceptions.

 

So you don't slab out of some weird "code" that you have? You must hate making money.

[MagnetoWasRight]

Well obviously you think that book has a chance at a 9.6, right? otherwise wtf are you doing putting 9.6 in the title.

 

If I had a ASM 2 that I thought had a real shot at a blue lable 9.6 I'd send it in.

 

You would be stupid not to see if you could realize a cgc 9.6 at the tune of 72k

 

That's all I'm saying...

 

Everything I buy raw gets listed raw.

Everything I buy slabbed gets listed slabbed.

No exceptions.

 

Sounds like a failed business plan...I know if I came across an X-Men #1 raw with a guestimate grade of 9.4 I'd be walking that book down to CGC to maximize my return...your in business to make money just like everyone else...this just sounds like excuses to me...

[MagnetoWasRight]

Well obviously you think that book has a chance at a 9.6, right? otherwise wtf are you doing putting 9.6 in the title.

 

If I had a ASM 2 that I thought had a real shot at a blue lable 9.6 I'd send it in.

 

You would be stupid not to see if you could realize a cgc 9.6 at the tune of 72k

 

That's all I'm saying...

 

Everything I buy raw gets listed raw.

Everything I buy slabbed gets listed slabbed.

No exceptions.

 

So you don't slab out of some weird "code" that you have? You must hate making money.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking...