PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[jsilverjanet]

WHY ARE THESE CGC BULLIES GANGING UP AND BULLYING ME ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GETTING STRIKES FOR THIS BEHAVIOUR?!

 

Why don't you just hump the button like you do with me.

 

How often do you and JL hump? Is it at his place or yours?

who's on top is the more important question.

[Jeffro.]

WHY ARE THESE CGC BULLIES GANGING UP AND BULLYING ME ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GETTING STRIKES FOR THIS BEHAVIOUR?!

 

[slym2none]

Don't worry, Jimmy - I got the joke as you were making it.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

 

-slym

[PovertyRow]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

[joecgcmaniac]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

And with the way they've been the last few weeks, it would be a thread-krapping strike for sure.

[Iceman399]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

And with the way they've been the last few weeks, it would be a thread-krapping strike for sure.

 

Just add GLWTS

[thirdgreenham]

I think the "warning" needs to clearly state they are on the PL/HOS and this doesn't mean they can't sell but they have been there for wronging the community.

 

When you start treating certain board members (PL / HOS Members) differently from others (non PL / HOS) its bad news.

 

There is no point in writing a heads up in someones thread unless its to upset them or create drama.

 

 

Should we give everyone who signs up a trophy for participation as well?

 

THATS KIND OF RUDE

 

[joecgcmaniac]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

And with the way they've been the last few weeks, it would be a thread-krapping strike for sure.

 

Just add GLWTS

 

That one is also being added to the "violation" list the mods have.

[Bosco685]

[EC ed]

So, I finished this little side project....I slogged through all 109 pages of the Probation List thread and parsed out all of the removals (that was a great lesson in board history). Here are the results, sorted alphabetically by boardie name:

 

PROBATION LIST REMOVALS (through 1/14/14)

Boardie1 added 6/30/2013 removed 9/17/2013 ( 80 days on PL)

Boardie2 added 5/23/2008 removed 6/26/2009 ( 400 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie2 added 3/24/2009 removed 11/27/2009 ( 249 days on PL)

Boardie3 added 9/19/2008 removed 11/8/2008 ( 51 days on PL)

Boardie5 added 9/14/2012 removed 3/30/2013 ( 198 days on PL)

Boardie6 added 5/5/2008 removed 5/6/2008 ( 2 days on PL)

Boardie6 added 5/21/2009 removed 6/26/2009 ( 37 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie7 added 10/22/2007 removed 10/25/2007 ( 4 days on PL)

Boardie8 added 7/1/2011 removed 7/3/2011 ( 3 days on PL)

Boardie9 added 5/10/2009 removed 6/2/2009 ( 24 days on PL)

Boardie9 added 7/19/2009 removed 8/12/2009 ( 25 days on PL)

Boardie9 added 9/14/2010 removed 11/18/2012 ( 797 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie10 added 10/28/2008 removed 6/26/2009 ( 242 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie11 added 10/12/2008 removed 4/9/2009 ( 180 days on PL)

Boardie12 added 1/8/2011 removed 3/23/2011 ( 75 days on PL)

Boardie13 added 12/7/2007 removed 1/16/2008 ( 41 days on PL)

Boardie14 added 12/17/2011 removed 11/27/2012 ( 347 days on PL)

Boardie15 added 12/11/2012 removed 12/16/2012 ( 6 days on PL)

Boardie16 added 11/7/2007 removed 2/20/2008 ( 106 days on PL)

Boardie17 added 11/5/2008 removed 6/26/2009 ( 234 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie18 added 10/22/2007 removed 10/25/2007 ( 4 days on PL)

Boardie19 added 3/27/2007 removed 6/26/2009 ( 823 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie20 added 2/2/2008 removed 2/6/2008 ( 5 days on PL)

Boardie21 added 12/9/2008 removed 12/30/2008 ( 22 days on PL)

Boardie22 added 4/7/2013 removed 5/17/2013 ( 41 days on PL)

Boardie23 added 2/14/2008 removed 3/24/2010 ( 770 days on PL)

Boardie24 added 8/9/2007 removed 8/16/2008 ( 374 days on PL)

Boardie24 added 11/2/2010 removed 11/3/2010 ( 2 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie25 added 2/2/2008 removed 2/20/2008 ( 19 days on PL)

Boardie26 added 11/4/2009 removed 11/5/2009 ( 2 days on PL)

Boardie26 added 10/23/2010 removed 10/28/2010 ( 6 days on PL)

Boardie27 added 2/14/2008 removed 2/14/2008 ( 1 days on PL)

Boardie28 added 12/6/2013 removed 1/9/2014 ( 45 days on PL)

Boardie29 added 3/18/2010 removed 6/10/2010 ( 85 days on PL)

Boardie30 added 1/24/2009 removed 6/24/2012 ( 1248 days on PL)

Boardie31 added 11/18/2013 removed 11/23/2013 ( 6 days on PL)

Boardie32 added 10/18/2007 removed 5/20/2008 ( 216 days on PL)

Boardie33 added 12/7/2007 removed 5/22/2008 ( 168 days on PL)

Boardie34 added 12/1/2013 removed 12/30/2013 ( 30 days on PL)

Boardie35 added 5/23/2012 removed 11/22/2012 ( 184 days on PL)

Boardie36 added 12/29/2008 removed 12/30/2010 ( 732 days on PL)

Boardie37 added 7/6/2010 removed 7/9/2010 ( 4 days on PL)

Boardie38 added 11/14/2013 removed 11/26/2013 ( 13 days on PL)

Boardie39 added 2/21/2008 removed 8/9/2008 ( 171 days on PL)

Boardie40 added 6/2/2009 removed 6/26/2009 ( 25 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie41 added 1/11/2008 removed 7/9/2010 ( 911 days on PL)

Boardie42 added 7/21/2010 removed 8/12/2010 ( 23 days on PL) * moved to HOS

Boardie43 added 12/15/2009 removed 12/15/2009 ( 1 days on PL)

Boardie44 added 3/12/2009 removed 3/12/2009 ( 1 days on PL)

Boardie44 added 6/23/2009 removed 4/25/2011 ( 672 days on PL)

Boardie45 added 11/4/2009 removed 12/8/2009 ( 35 days on PL)

Boardie46 added 8/16/2012 removed 9/14/2012 ( 30 days on PL)

Boardie47 added 5/17/2013 removed 7/7/2013 ( 52 days on PL)

 

 

A couple interesting observations...turns out that repeating PL offenses is not that common...and when repeat offenders raise their heads, they typically wind up being upgraded to the HOS in pretty short order. Now, what we do with this summary is the next question...just file it away for personal use, or put it in a publicly accessible thread somewhere and maintain it going forward...

 

EDIT (1/17/14): I edited out actual Boardie names from this list. Until such time that the community decides definitively whether and how we want to make this information transparent, I thought it would be better to remove actual names, to avoid any negative connotations that might arise with respect to people that happen to show up in this history. This information exists in raw form out in the Probation List thread, if anyone chooses to access it for whatever reason. You can still see here that repeat offenders are relatively uncommon, and when they occur, they tend to wind up moving to HOS. Specifically, since the beginning of the PL in 2007, there have been 8 repeat offenders (6 highlighted in orange above, plus two who are currently on the PL that have previous PL visits). Of these 8 repeat offenders, 4 are currently in the HOS. These facts alone should be useful in the debate of whether we should have a repeat offender "list", should the debate recur.

Edited January 17, 2014 by edowens71

[Iceman399]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

And with the way they've been the last few weeks, it would be a thread-krapping strike for sure.

 

Just add GLWTS

 

That one is also being added to the "violation" list the mods have.

 

I couldn't resist

[Bosco685]

 

Comicseekers added 5/10/2009 removed 6/2/2009 ( 23 days on PL)

Comicseekers added 7/19/2009 removed 8/12/2009 ( 24 days on PL)

Comicseekers/primeinvestibles/megacon added 9/14/2010 removed 11/18/2012 ( 796 days on PL) * moved to HOS

 

primeinvestibles added 10/9/2011 removed 11/11/2011 ( 33 days on PL)

Should the bottom primeinvestibles be added to the top comicseekers/primeinvestibles?

[Speedy-D]

How did Menace get himself -331 days on the PL

[EC ed]

 

Comicseekers added 5/10/2009 removed 6/2/2009 ( 23 days on PL)

Comicseekers added 7/19/2009 removed 8/12/2009 ( 24 days on PL)

Comicseekers/primeinvestibles/megacon added 9/14/2010 removed 11/18/2012 ( 796 days on PL) * moved to HOS

 

primeinvestibles added 10/9/2011 removed 11/11/2011 ( 33 days on PL)

Should the bottom primeinvestibles be added to the top comicseekers/primeinvestibles?

 

Perhaps...tricky to present the ones with the aliases...this particular presentation just reports all the removal instances as they were classified at the time. I suppose people didn't realize that primeinvestibles was an alias for Comicseekers until after the fact, then the alias was added to the Comicseekers entry in the list. There's definitely some room for cleaning up this presentation....

[EC ed]

For Menace, should have been 1/9/14 removal (not 1/9/13)...typo..fixing it now...

Edited January 15, 2014 by edowens71

[Bosco685]

 

Comicseekers added 5/10/2009 removed 6/2/2009 ( 23 days on PL)

Comicseekers added 7/19/2009 removed 8/12/2009 ( 24 days on PL)

Comicseekers/primeinvestibles/megacon added 9/14/2010 removed 11/18/2012 ( 796 days on PL) * moved to HOS

 

primeinvestibles added 10/9/2011 removed 11/11/2011 ( 33 days on PL)

Should the bottom primeinvestibles be added to the top comicseekers/primeinvestibles?

 

Perhaps...tricky to present the ones with the aliases...this particular presentation just reports all the removal instances as they were classified at the time. I suppose people didn't realize that primeinvestibles was an alias for Comicseekers until after the fact, then the alias was added to the Comicseekers entry in the list. There's definitely some room for cleaning up this presentation....

 

He was definitely a fun time for all.

 

[skypinkblu]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't try posting it unless we got Arch's OK...I like the tone of the sentence, would like it better if we could get him to make it part of the template or an addition to the template.

 

Short, non combative and to the point.

 

Can we think about this for a few days..maybe a week...see if we come up with some more ideas?

 

I don't see a point in rushing (and I have company this week;) ...but I'd be happy to try a group pm with Pov, Chris, me, and a few other volunteers, then present it to Arch.

 

IF that would work for people? I'm not trying to rush anything here...and it might not work, this would just be something to try.

[Bosco685]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't try posting it unless we got Arch's OK...I like the tone of the sentence, would like it better if we could get him to make it part of the template or an addition to the template.

 

Short, non combative and to the point.

 

Can we think about this for a few days..maybe a week...see if we come up with some more ideas?

 

I don't see a point in rushing (and I have company this week;) ...but I'd be happy to try a group pm with Pov, Chris, me, and a few other volunteers, then present it to Arch.

 

IF that would work for people? I'm not trying to rush anything here...and it might not work, this would just be something to try.

 

When I engaged recently with Arch and CCGMod0 on this topic, here's the feedback I received that I don't think he would have a problem sharing.

 

That is the purpose of having this at the top of every marketplace board, and after each first post:

 

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Forum only selling notice

 

 

GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE NOTICE ON POSTING GUIDELINES

 

Note that the members of this board are encouraged to POLITELY point out posts that violate the marketplace posting guidelines, and to notify the moderators.

 

Thread starters: If you disagree that the guidelines have been violated and have reasons, then take it to the discussion thread and hash it out there. But please take the time to read the guidelines.

 

A probation list for bad transactions is maintained by the community. You are still responsible for your own transactions.

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This helps to avoid conflict between members over that kind of thing.

 

So he felt because of this statement, there should be no special message posted in any thread to warn fellow forumites about a HOS-PL member.

[crassus]

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I think the "unenforceable" part from banning them from doing business, not making the notation in their sales thread.

 

That is spot on. Without moderator intervention that would block a user from the sales forums, it is impossible to enforce them not selling here.

 

Just as we can post a message in an incomplete Sales Thread stating the sales rules, we might be able to do the same with a PL/HOS member.

 

But if we try it that should be short, polite and to the point without any editorializing. Something along the line of just:

 

Hello Member - If you are not aware, you were placed on the PL/HOS list on 1/1/14. You can visit that here (supply link to the nomination) if you want to add to the existing discussion.

 

It is 50/50 is the mods would consider that thread krapping.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't try posting it unless we got Arch's OK...I like the tone of the sentence, would like it better if we could get him to make it part of the template or an addition to the template.

 

Short, non combative and to the point.

 

Can we think about this for a few days..maybe a week...see if we come up with some more ideas?

 

I don't see a point in rushing (and I have company this week;) ...but I'd be happy to try a group pm with Pov, Chris, me, and a few other volunteers, then present it to Arch.

 

IF that would work for people? I'm not trying to rush anything here...and it might not work, this would just be something to try.

 

When I engaged recently with Arch and CCGMod0 on this topic, here's the feedback I received that I don't think he would have a problem sharing.

 

That is the purpose of having this at the top of every marketplace board, and after each first post:

 

------------------------

Forum only selling notice

 

 

GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE NOTICE ON POSTING GUIDELINES

 

Note that the members of this board are encouraged to POLITELY point out posts that violate the marketplace posting guidelines, and to notify the moderators.

 

Thread starters: If you disagree that the guidelines have been violated and have reasons, then take it to the discussion thread and hash it out there. But please take the time to read the guidelines.

 

A probation list for bad transactions is maintained by the community. You are still responsible for your own transactions.

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This helps to avoid conflict between members over that kind of thing.

 

So he felt because of this statement, there should be no special message posted in any thread to warn fellow forumites about a HOS-PL member.

 

So "buyer beware"

[N/A]