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comix4fun

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Ah ok.

 

Well, CAK is a special case.

 

It's hard for me to believe he's this clueless, that it's not some Andy Kauffman-esque troll/performance art/practical joke at our expense.

 

He sells a guy a book, prints out shipping information immediately, then strings him along for a month not actually shipping it. Then he keeps complaining how busy he is, in excruciating and completely unnecessary detail. Fire pits installed, bobcats shunned, buffering pads utilized, etc etc. but no time to actually take the box to the PO for over a month.

 

In that month span of time where the self-described expert comic seller and shipper cannot be bothered to actually ship the comics he sold, he felt free to sell and ship other comics, to attend the Baltimore comic con to buy and sell and grade more comics, and to come on here and drop Cleveland Steamer after Cleveland Steamer of unwanted, unsolicited, and unhelpful advice all over this forum (in other people's sales threads too) at the rate of 2-3 dumps per day.

 

When called out, nominate for the PL, taken to task for his failures....he deflects, gazes deeply and lovingly into his own navel (which must have the gravitational pull of a black hole being that he cannot seem to escape it), and comes back with attacks and excuses and tales of personal woe and malaise.

 

Finally, he tells the buyer that he shipped his exceedingly long overdue book......media mail.

 

:applause:

 

that's brutal

There should be an automatic probation list action for people who fail to ship by 'X' number of days after a sale. Once they ship, it can be removed or whatever.

 

I am bad for delayed shipping on ebay sometimes, but on a time frame of a few days. If we enforce " :takeit: " so strongly, a minimum payment time frame, and shipping time frame should be encoded in the board selling rules.

 

As for Media Mail, I thought comics werent allowed that route any more? (beyond the slowness factor). I am not American so I dont know the details of it.

 

 

That's another debate....most of the real offense taken was the fact that he dropped a deuce on the buyer's forehead by being so late to ship and then took a figurative wiz on the buyer's pillow case by shipping it by the slowest of slow boats...."But I gave him free stuff to make up for it!"...was the $1 bill left on the nightstand as he left.

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What's that supposed to mean?

 

It means, if people are trying to provoke someone into getting a ban, they should receive one too . Regardless of any other circumstance (listed join date, popularity, post count, being friends with CGC employees, etc)

 

Oh I wasn't implying I or anyone else should provoke him. I'm not aware of all the strike worthy behaviors but that would not be right for anyone to be targeted in such a way.

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What's that supposed to mean?

 

It means, if people are trying to provoke someone into getting a ban, they should receive one too . Regardless of any other circumstance (listed join date, popularity, post count, being friends with CGC employees, etc)

 

Oh I wasn't implying I or anyone else should provoke him. I'm not aware of all the strike worthy behaviors but that would not be right for anyone to be targeted in such a way.

 

I wasnt accusing you of doing it, sorry if it came across that way. I was speaking generally.

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That's another debate....most of the real offense taken was the fact that he dropped a deuce on the buyer's forehead by being so late to ship and then took a figurative wiz on the buyer's pillow case by shipping it by the slowest of slow boats...."But I gave him free stuff to make up for it!"...was the $1 bill left on the nightstand as he left.

 

It's a strange story, when he is buying and selling other stuff in between. Usually that sort of story would be attached to financial pressures. But if he was active financially in the interim it seems like the most likely cases would be:

 

-actually forgot, and hiding it

-lost the book, and trying to find or replace it

-double sold the book, and trying to find a replacement.

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That's another debate....most of the real offense taken was the fact that he dropped a deuce on the buyer's forehead by being so late to ship and then took a figurative wiz on the buyer's pillow case by shipping it by the slowest of slow boats...."But I gave him free stuff to make up for it!"...was the $1 bill left on the nightstand as he left.

 

It's a strange story, when he is buying and selling other stuff in between. Usually that sort of story would be attached to financial pressures. But if he was active financially in the interim it seems like the most likely cases would be:

 

-actually forgot, and hiding it

-lost the book, and trying to find or replace it

-double sold the book, and trying to find a replacement.

 

 

 

Actually, he made reference more than once that the book was sold too cheaply (auction result) and that the buyer got a great deal, etc etc. Basically, it was a very thinly veiled allusion to having seller's remorse, thinking the book should have sold for more, and being in no hurry to give the buyer the book he consented to sell him.

 

He mentioned more than once being willing to refund the seller. Sold a book too cheaply (by his estimation), dragged his feet making broken shipping promise after broken shipping promise, and then offered money back. Of course he offered money back.

 

The media mail was the final poke in the eye of a self-absorbed seller, with a case of severe sour grapes, willing to let his admittedly to-quote-smiley-emoticon.gif "vaunted" to-quote-smiley-emoticon.gif selling reputation get pilloried for a $60 slab.

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for a $60 slab.

 

lol

kids these days, all this is about a $60 slab? :roflmao:

That's brutal, yes it sounds like he was just being a person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed in hopes the buyer would back out, and then out of spite when he didnt.

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So my question is: did the buyer get the book?

 

i think it is "in the mail" (media)

 

At this point, I don't think the method of mailing matters as much as the receipt of the item purchased. The buyer waited how many days? (I dunno, never saw an official number) so I'm sure he can wait a few more.

 

Is it childish to act like that? Yes (I should know about childish) but ultimately if the buyer gets the item he pays for, then things are ok.

 

And by saying "ok" I'm not advocating a forgive and forget attitude, just that the buyer has been satisfied. How others with to treat/shun CAK is up to them.

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I think this is the book in question:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Men-268-CBCS-CGC-NM-9-6-JC-Penney-Vintage-Pack-1992-Reprint-/201398457693

 

and this is probably the same user, or he did it to two people at the same time:

 

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=copperagekids&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

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So my question is: did the buyer get the book?

 

i think it is "in the mail" (media)

 

The buyer waited how many days? (I dunno, never saw an official number) so I'm sure he can wait a few more.

 

Bullcarp. I have been slow to ship many times. But what I have not done is left buyers hanging, and disrespect them by not staying in contact. I stay in contact with them to let them know that I am mindful of the fact they have held up their end of the bargain, and that I, though not as quickly as I should, am going to hold up mine.

 

 

Is it childish to act like that? Yes (I should know about childish) but ultimately if the buyer gets the item he pays for, then things are ok.

 

No. They are not. They suck. At that point the seller has not done anything criminal. Nor likely anything for which any type of civil redress (other than your suggested shunning) is available. That is such a low bar. That is not OK.

 

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So my question is: did the buyer get the book?

 

i think it is "in the mail" (media)

 

The buyer waited how many days? (I dunno, never saw an official number) so I'm sure he can wait a few more.

 

Bullcarp. I have been slow to ship many times. But what I have not done is left buyers hanging, and disrespect them by not staying in contact. I stay in contact with them to let them know that I am mindful of the fact they have held up their end of the bargain, and that I, though not as quickly as I should, am going to hold up mine.

 

 

Is it childish to act like that? Yes (I should know about childish) but ultimately if the buyer gets the item he pays for, then things are ok.

 

No. They are not. They suck. At that point the seller has not done anything criminal. Nor likely anything for which any type of civil redress (other than your suggested shunning) is available. That is such a low bar. That is not OK.

 

 

 

 

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Looks like CAK got his first neg...for late shipping.

 

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Looks like CAK got his first neg...for late shipping.

 

 

that's why i linked it. Could be multiple stuff to the same seller, or two people at once

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So my question is: did the buyer get the book?

 

i think it is "in the mail" (media)

 

The buyer waited how many days? (I dunno, never saw an official number) so I'm sure he can wait a few more.

 

Bullcarp. I have been slow to ship many times. But what I have not done is left buyers hanging, and disrespect them by not staying in contact. I stay in contact with them to let them know that I am mindful of the fact they have held up their end of the bargain, and that I, though not as quickly as I should, am going to hold up mine.

 

 

Is it childish to act like that? Yes (I should know about childish) but ultimately if the buyer gets the item he pays for, then things are ok.

 

No. They are not. They suck. At that point the seller has not done anything criminal. Nor likely anything for which any type of civil redress (other than your suggested shunning) is available. That is such a low bar. That is not OK.

 

 

 

 

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Funny...at the end of the day, it doesn't affect me one way or another and ultimately, its not my concern.

 

If you want to stage a witch hunt, be my guest but to get all fired up over such a small amount of money seems to be counterproductive.

 

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comix4fun

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So my question is: did the buyer get the book?

 

i think it is "in the mail" (media)

 

The buyer waited how many days? (I dunno, never saw an official number) so I'm sure he can wait a few more.

 

Bullcarp. I have been slow to ship many times. But what I have not done is left buyers hanging, and disrespect them by not staying in contact. I stay in contact with them to let them know that I am mindful of the fact they have held up their end of the bargain, and that I, though not as quickly as I should, am going to hold up mine.

 

 

Is it childish to act like that? Yes (I should know about childish) but ultimately if the buyer gets the item he pays for, then things are ok.

 

No. They are not. They suck. At that point the seller has not done anything criminal. Nor likely anything for which any type of civil redress (other than your suggested shunning) is available. That is such a low bar. That is not OK.

 

 

 

 

tbtd4.gif

 

Funny...at the end of the day, it doesn't affect me one way or another and ultimately, its not my concern.

 

If you want to stage a witch hunt, be my guest but to get all fired up over such a small amount of money seems to be counterproductive.

 

No witch hunts...but no free passes or dismissals of poor behavior because it doesn't hit magical (and arbitrary) dollar figure.

 

Getting the books is not "all that matters".

 

Small amounts of money get people in trouble all the time. Failure to chip in a small amount for the proper shipping of an item (in this case to make up for his own mistake) is what it was worth to this seller to show himself for what he truly is selfish, self-interested, and ultimately, spiteful.

 

The term.. "Pennywise - Dollar Foolish" endures for a reason.

 

Whether it's done for $0.50 cents or $500 doesn't make the treatment any more or less improper.

 

 

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Looks like CAK got his first neg...for late shipping.

 

 

that's why i linked it. Could be multiple stuff to the same seller, or two people at once

 

Looks like CAK got his first neg...for late shipping.

 

 

that's why i linked it. Could be multiple stuff to the same seller, or two people at once

 

That negative feedback is from another buyer. :tonofbricks:

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