Major transaction let-down. Need advice! 3 3

[LovinTheSurfer]

What yannis did was wrong and he should be put on the probation list, end of story. I' m still willing to bet that bat-man undercut Matt. Bat-man should not be off the hook yet.

 

Added a poll to this to see what people though.

 

18-1 I wonder who voted no Yannis or Bat-man

 

it was frank

[t3quila]

If the original seller were put on the Probation List, what would he have to do to remove himself from the List?

 

IMO Thats hall of shame stuff he did. No excuse for what he did. Once you are on the hall of shame there is no coming off.

 

possibly getting another Tec' 37 for him

 

Good point, but what are the odds of that?

 

probably the same odds that yannis will come off the prob. list

 

Seller would just have to make peace with the buyer, that could be financial recompense or a great discount on another book or access to a Tec 37 etc etc, as long as the buyer would be happy in the end.

[LovinTheSurfer]

If the original seller were put on the Probation List, what would he have to do to remove himself from the List?

 

IMO Thats hall of shame stuff he did. No excuse for what he did. Once you are on the hall of shame there is no coming off.

 

possibly getting another Tec' 37 for him

 

Good point, but what are the odds of that?

 

probably the same odds that yannis will come off the prob. list

 

Seller would just have to make peace with the buyer, that could be financial recompense or a great discount on another book or access to a Tec 37 etc etc, as long as the buyer would be happy in the end.

 

For some reason, I get the feeling that the seller won't do much of anything.

[iggy]

O and BTW i am not mad at batman i assume he didnt know and ive talked to him before and he seems like a good person

 

The seller said he had a personal P.M. with you, I assume to explain the situation. Mind telling us what the explaination was. Alot of boardies would like to hear it I'm sure.

 

DRX

 

Yeah! I would post the PM...but thats just me

 

And we love ya for it! (thumbs u

[LovinTheSurfer]

O and BTW i am not mad at batman i assume he didnt know and ive talked to him before and he seems like a good person

 

The seller said he had a personal P.M. with you, I assume to explain the situation. Mind telling us what the explaination was. Alot of boardies would like to hear it I'm sure.

 

DRX

 

Yeah! I would post the PM...but thats just me

 

And we love ya for it! (thumbs u

 

you love me! You REALLY love me!

[TheWatcher]

I just wanted to notify everyone that a personal pm to Matt with a full explanation has been sent. I apologize but I dont alway have the time these days to be on the threads every day of the minute. I am very sorry about this situation but I had some serious family issues to deal (and although I cannot get into detail here- it includes death) so before fingers get pointed I believe a personal matter should be handled by the parties involved first. Then it can be spoken of here. In the meantime I have to go now and will be awaiting Matts response later on tonight. Thank you everyone

 

Sorry for the family issues.

 

That having been said, how exactly did that cause the book to be sold to Bat-Man and not mt1000?

 

I believe he's saying that the personal issues are the reason he hadn't responded earlier in the thread, at least that's the way I understood it

[dhurley]

If the original seller were put on the Probation List, what would he have to do to remove himself from the List?

 

IMO Thats hall of shame stuff he did. No excuse for what he did. Once you are on the hall of shame there is no coming off.

 

possibly getting another Tec' 37 for him

 

 

Only way to make it right

[8milemax]

What yannis did was wrong and he should be put on the probation list, end of story. I' m still willing to bet that bat-man undercut Matt. Bat-man should not be off the hook yet.

 

Added a poll to this to see what people though.

 

 

38-2 I guess Bat-man and Yannis both voted no.

[Flaming_Telepath]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

[8milemax]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

 

 

 

Not if he's on the probation list. So far the vote is clearly in the favor of him being placed on it.

[rockman2008]

A death in the family can certainly hurt you ability to be on the boards check PMs etc, I lost my Mom Jan 1 so I know what the seller may be dealing with .That being said..

 

I still would not renegg and sell the book to someone else. for more money if that is in fact what happened.A deal is a deal.We all have tragedys that make us unable to get the computer as much as we would like but the sellers death in the family or whatever he has going on should not stop him from completing the sale

 

I am not insensitive or trying to downplay the sellers situation but I can understand the buyers point of view..

 

Sorry for the sellers loss..

 

A deal is a deal

 

And i agree with you 100% and i truly am sorry for his lost , but i got screwed for no reason. I myself am going through a loss too my best friend died unexpectedly a week and a half ago ,so Yes it sux

 

I probably should know better but I want to point out a couple of things. First of all, yannis sold the Tec 37 to bat-man for $100 less than the price he would've sold to mt1000. Obviously, greed was not the motivating factor for breaking the deal. Second, when you have a dying relative, being "unable to get to a computer" should be the least of your worries. Unless you're well off financially, you don't have to worry about medical expenses, funeral costs, and all that entails. I know yannis is not in the "super rich" category.

 

This goes back to why he sold to bat-man over mt1000. The former paid all in one shot compared to Matt who was planning on dividing time payments into who knows how long (? it's still unclear the time line agreed between mt1000 and yannis). The motivating factor had to be getting the money ASAP from a known buyer the seller has dealt with before, compared to risking credit on a newbie that might flake. The death in the family just reinforces the urgency. Does that make sense?

 

I think the worst fault on the part of the seller was his promise to sell the Tec 37 to two buyers at the same time. That's basically unethical. But given that he needed the money, he may have been attempting to hedge his risk and not have the sale fall through. I'd just as well ascribe it all to poor communication skills. I don't think the intent here was to rip anyone off, since mt1000 did get his deposit back.

Edited April 30, 2010 by rockman2008

[seanfingh]

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Not if he's on the probation list. So far the vote is clearly in the favor of him being placed on it.

 

Voting doesn't get someone on the Probation List. MT1000 is the only one that can put him on the Probation List. Also being on the Probation List doesn't mean you can't sell. it is just a warning that you may be a . There have been plenty of instances of people on the Probation list continuing to do business, particularly if the books are sweeeeet.

[Flaming_Telepath]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

 

 

 

Not if he's on the probation list. So far the vote is clearly in the favor of him being placed on it.

 

Sorry, but the probation list is nothing like as effective as you think.

 

If a seller has 'cool books', too few people actually care.

[comicdonna]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

Wow, i'm just hearing of this. I think John needs to clarify exactly what happened and why. I can only imagine that it was a money issue (greed).

[seanfingh]

 

Goddarn it! The mods have even *spooned* the Yiddish swear words.

[Boboset]

Goddarn it! The mods have even *spooned* the Yiddish swear words.

 

Well you managed to call Andrew Bogut a poofta with no problem. Ya pulled the wool over their eyes on that one at least.

 

 

poofta

[8milemax]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

 

 

 

Not if he's on the probation list. So far the vote is clearly in the favor of him being placed on it.

 

Sorry, but the probation list is nothing like as effective as you think.

 

If a seller has 'cool books', too few people actually care.

 

Good point

[rockman2008]

Right, brought myself up to date and all I can say is...

 

The ???

 

From the seller's post, I can't be certain whether he was implying that the death effected this deal or just his ability to post. Hopefully he meant the latter, as for all the sympathy I have for anybody who has lost somebody close...and this applies to Yannis...there is no good reason why it should impact on him selling the book to Bat-Man rather than Matt.

 

I could see the book not being sold at all, due to lack of time to consumate the deal, but to force a sale to a boarder other than the one who had already paid a $500 deposit?

 

Nah. Anyone who pays a $500 deposit to a total stranger is good for the rest of the money. This is simply a case of the good ole boy club. Matt's not a member, so got shafted royally. In accepting the payment, the deal was sealed and the seller should be utterly ashamed of himself for pulling the book so that his little chum could have it instead.

 

I'm sure that Yannis won't have any trouble continuing to sell around here...cool books are always worth more than ethics and integrity to many buyers ...but to anyone with a sense of fair play, please stear well clear.

Wow, i'm just hearing of this. I think John needs to clarify exactly what happened and why. I can only imagine that it was a money issue (greed).

 

No. It's not a greed issue. Bat-man showed me a snapshot of the paypal transaction. He really did pay $1,500 plus fees...less than what mt1000 said he would have paid -- $1,600.

[G.A.tor]

Mike-

It wasn't money/greed as john sold to bat-man for less than to matt

 

It had to do with getting money asap for the medical expenses (I believe that is what john told me in a pm)

 

Johns error was assuming matt couldn't pay right away without contacting him...there in lies the breach of contract and the issue

[DR.X]

[quote name=rockman2008A deal is a deal [/quote]This goes back to why he sold to bat-man over mt1000. The former paid all in one shot compared to Matt who was planning on dividing time payments into who knows how long (? it's still unclear the time line agreed between mt1000 and yannis).

 

 

According to Dan, they were actually going to drive over there, pick the book up in person and finalize the deal on Saturday.

 

DRX