tdcomixncardz Flash 207 CGG 9.8

[waalytford-migration]

How do we know that tdcomixncardz did not ask one of his friends to be the grader "Daniel". There is still NO proof that "tdcomixncardz" and "CGG" are not one and the same. I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE! Until CGG can come out to the public and inform the people who are the principals of the company, and the 3 GRADERS, not just DANIEL, then it can be a legitamite company. Until then, I still believe that he they are one and the same. Great outfit, let's grade my own comics and put a CGG label so that I can sell it for 10 times the value even though a 9.8 is really a 9.2!

[Rickdogg]

Great outfit, let's grade my own comics and put a CGG label so that I can sell it for 10 times the value even though a 9.8 is really a 9.2!

 

I do agree that there is something weird about this CGG seller from Oregon, but it is hard to say at this point since our evidence is assumption at this point. If I had to go with my gut, I would definitely say that something shady is goind down. If CGG is really overgrading certain books for their own interests, collectors will soon catch this and not buy CGG books any longer. I question the integrity of the company and the universal blue labels on possibly restored books more than the possibility of overgrading.

[RS]

I have had about 25 book graded by CGG and I think they are alittle harder with the modern books. Out of the 25 3 were 9.8 and 5 were 9.4 and the rest 9.6 some of the 9.6's may have been 9.8 with CGC. I do think they should list the other three graders on there web site.

[BassGMan]

Well, all I can say having dealt with both CGG and this dealer is that after reading the replies above, and from reading this dealer's responses to me on this same subject (relationship to CGG, pasted on another thread) is that it looks to me that THEY ARE NOT IN CAHOOTS although they are buddy buddy and this guy does seem to get priority treatment. Hey, make friends with the right people and you might get better service and bigger discounts etc. BUT, that does not mean anything unethical is going on. How many of YOU know somebody that works at a certain business, a friend or relative or whatever that gives you a break. I used to get into free movies and nightclubs all the time because I had friends or relatives that worked there. My uncle owns a Maytag store so I get refridgerators and laundry machines at his cost, etc. That's not unethical unless they are giving this guy's books a higher grade than they deserve. Other than that, they can give him free grading, expedited grading or whatever and just chalk it up to being a friend or loyal dealer. I imagine CGC has dealers with special relationships too, but I also doubt that they up the grades for them either. ------Sid

[RS]

Well, all I can say having dealt with both CGG and this dealer is that after reading the replies above, and from reading this dealer's responses to me on this same subject (relationship to CGG, pasted on another thread) is that it looks to me that THEY ARE NOT IN CAHOOTS although they are buddy buddy and this guy does seem to get priority treatment. Hey, make friends with the right people and you might get better service and bigger discounts etc. BUT, that does not mean anything unethical is going on. How many of YOU know somebody that works at a certain business, a friend or relative or whatever that gives you a break. I used to get into free movies and nightclubs all the time because I had friends or relatives that worked there. My uncle owns a Maytag store so I get refridgerators and laundry machines at his cost, etc. That's not unethical unless they are giving this guy's books a higher grade than they deserve. Other than that, they can give him free grading, expedited grading or whatever and just chalk it up to being a friend or loyal dealer. I imagine CGC has dealers with special relationships too, but I also doubt that they up the grades for them either. ------Sid

 

This guy has alot of 10.0 and 9.9 of new books too Allcomixs CGC Comics he must do alot of prescreens to get 10.0 and 9.9 tdcomixncardz must prescreen with CGG too to get high grades.

[sterlingcomics]

[BassGMan]

Hello, in an effort to help clear his own name (like the letter to CGG above) I e-mailed Mr. TDComixncardz (Terance) a link to this thread which he read. My only connection to him was buying one book from him about a month ago. A very nice DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #4 (Weird Mystery Tales) slabbed by CGG in 8.5. The book was very nice and accurately graded but received in a holder that was not large enough, and therefore cracked open from the pressure. Anyway, problem cleared but it did open dialogue between us. Below is his response to me after reading this thread. ------Sid

 

Well, they are a bunch of sexless comic book dorks. They need something to

do while resting between porn sites! So I had 4 pre-screened books hand

delivered with 2 day turn around!!! Oooo! I must be the green river killer

too! This is much worse than all the over graded ,trimmed, cgc books coming

out of the woodwork. I see no one really gavea second thought about the guy

with the 10.0 action #812. Oh, he must have paid extra for express service &

pre-screening .OK I'll go with that. end of descusion. I see the oft BANNED

bug has come up again as (waalytford ), A new member who only slams me &

CGGROUP. HMMMmmm? Please post this if you like. THANKS!

 

 

[BachelorOfComix]

Well, they are a bunch of sexless comic book dorks. They need something to

do while resting between porn sites! So I had 4 pre-screened books hand

delivered with 2 day turn around!!! Oooo! I must be the green river killer

too! This is much worse than all the over graded ,trimmed, cgc books coming

out of the woodwork. I see no one really gavea second thought about the guy

with the 10.0 action #812. Oh, he must have paid extra for express service &

pre-screening .OK I'll go with that. end of descusion. I see the oft BANNED

bug has come up again as (waalytford ), A new member who only slams me &

CGGROUP. HMMMmmm? Please post this if you like. THANKS!

Well judging from his response, he seems semi-illiterate or uneducated?

 

Can you ask him about the Restored Avengers 4 that he touted as coming from an original owner collection when in fact it came from greggy & was previously in a PLOD CGC holder?

[BassGMan]

Well judging from his response, he seems semi-illiterate or uneducated?

 

Can you ask him about the Restored Avengers 4 that he touted as coming from an original owner collection when in fact it came from greggy & was previously in a PLOD CGC holder?

 

Terance is aware of this thread now. Maybe he had already been reading, I don't know. Anyway, I just wanted to give the guy a heads up in order to defend himself or make any comments. No need for me to be a middle man. The only other thing I mentioned in my e-mail to him was that he may want to register as a member in order to respond on his own. Whether he does or not I don't know. -----Sid

[Mushroom]

If that is the quality of his responses then all I can say is........the wheels are in motion.

[Murph]

This is the guy that used to go by Barkducksduo isn't it? Didn't someone point out something underhanded that he was doing a while back? He then disapeared and showed back up as this user ID. Or am I thinking of a diff person?

 

Brian

[BachelorOfComix]

Same person. I think hkp mentioned something shady about fake Barks file copies? And then there was the ASM 121 or 122 incident. And then the FF 2? And then.......

[Smokinghawk]

The contrast between the tdcomix derision and Daniel's patient reply gives me a clear sense that they are not the same person.

 

If Terence is reading, there are some reasons why this question has come up:

 

1) his (your) auctions read like ads for CGG. If you're not working for them, you sure do give them a lot of coverage that comes off like PR.

 

2) he is are able to get books graded and returned to you in less than a week. While Daniel indicated that this is possible with 3-4 moderns, tdcomix's current auctions list indicates the actual number is SEVEN books, at least. My ten, for example, take 3 weeks (and I'm a returning customer, too).

 

3) my experience with CGG is that they are more strict than CGC. I've sent hand-picked uncirculated books that got 9.2 - 9.4, while you get 9.8's on keyes like an ASM 121.

 

4) You are quite wrong that "gave a second thought about the guy with the 10.0 action #812." In fact, we discussed it with as much astonishment and curiosity. Given tdcomix's familiarity with the Bug history, it appears he is more aware of what goes on in these threads than we realized.

 

Keep in mind that I'm a CGG *defender* here, generally, and although I am honest about my concerns, I have also been an advocate for CGG and CGC both.

 

I will say, though, that one claim made here seems to be unfounded: so far, nobody has actually suggested that tdccomix's 9.8 books should actually be 9.2. I'm not aware of any experiences that would suggest that his books are favorably graded, it's just astonishing that so many books get as high grades so consistently. But until someone can actually point to an example and say "I've seen this book, and it's a 9.2!" then all we have are concerns, not cases.

 

 

[BassGMan]

Hello, apparently Terance IS reading as he sent me another e-mail that he wanted me to post (below in it's entirety). Terance, you really should sign up and become a member here. It's free and easy, just takes a minute. Then you can join all the suspicious detail-oriented comic obsessed people (including myself?) in discussions here ranging from legitimate grading issues to who can win in a fight Werewolf By Night or Man-Wolf (really, who would?). -----Sid

 

 

Yes, I am semi-illiterate & uneducated ! All I do is sit up all night &

discuss comic book grades & who would win in a fight between Batman &

Spider-man . It takes a big man to call people names over the net, BOC (nice

boobs . Oh & in response to the next comment , I am not calling everyone

there A bunch of sexless comic book dorks . Just the ones who are. My

apologies.. The Avengers #4 .... It was one of the first books I submitted

to CGGROUP. I purchased it from a long time collector(his words) who I met

at a show. He said it came from the newsstand ,bought by him. I took it for

the truth do to the fact that it was nm- shape( only a small 1/4 in. spine

bend on the front). After it was on ebay I received an email from a forum

member with the story that it was damaged goods. I talked to Dan at CGGROUP

about this & he asked me to not go on with the auction . I contacted the

seller of the book & received my money back . I gave him the book back sans

holder & returned the label back to CGGROUP. Since then every book I sell

comes with the non-stop conspiracies with zero proof. I'm very sorry I sell

comics & make a large profit. It's the capitalist in me. I am ashamed...

Please post ,thanks!

 

[waalytford-migration]

Again, who are the owners, operators, & 3 graders of CGG? And why would anyone submit comics to a business whom no-one knows anything about. For all we know Daniel Dupcak could be grading the comics!

J

[BassGMan]

As someone mentioned above, just call and ask them. If you are considering doing business and want to know this information, isn't that obvious? I see no rule that states companies need to list all their employee's names. Don't forget, one reason for NOT doing this is that maybe their graders don't want calls at home from some irate customer who sent in a book that he thought was a 9.4, received it back as an 8.0 and now wants to call the graders at home to give them a piece of their mind. Hey, it happens. If you wanna know, then call. I think NOT publishing these names is a good idea and if I worked there I would not want everyone in the country to know my name. If so, I would then need to get an unlisted number. THINK people!!!!!! Too many Jr. Detectives out there. -----Sid

[waalytford-migration]

When it comes to submitting your personal expensive comics to an unknown, unqualified? person, wouldn't you want to be a detective also?

J

[Red Hook]

I don't know Bass......every business is different and in this case, transparency is a factor in my opinioin. I do very much want to know who is doing the grading. I'd be suprised if CGCs graders get calls at home over this stuff (but correct me if I'm wrong). So just get an unlisted phone number if it's a problem.

 

Part of the whole concept of having an independent grading company handle your books is that they offer a "supposedly" unbiased service, that looks at the books objectively. Of course your suggestion of calling the company itself for the info can't be argued with, but it would be great PR for them to post names and pictures on their website.

 

And again, this kind of transparency is business specific. Building trust should be a high priority with the grading companies and if you are covert about your staff, that doesn't exactly gain my confidence.

[BassGMan]

I don't know Bass......every business is different and in this case, transparency is a factor in my opinioin. I do very much want to know who is doing the grading. I'd be suprised if CGCs graders get calls at home over this stuff (but correct me if I'm wrong). So just get an unlisted phone number if it's a problem.

 

Part of the whole concept of having an independent grading company handle your books is that they offer a "supposedly" unbiased service, that looks at the books objectively. Of course your suggestion of calling the company itself for the info can't be argued with, but it would be great PR for them to post names and pictures on their website.

 

And again, this kind of transparency is business specific. Building trust should be a high priority with the grading companies and if you are covert about your staff, that doesn't exactly gain my confidence.

 

Actually I agree with everything you are saying. I don't know if a grader would get calls at home, but I do know that problematic customers in all business can be annoying and intrusive. Also, under these circumstances I can see your point about disclosing names and qualifications. Maybe that should be a requirement for any prospective employee, that they must be willing to go public with their names and etc. However, still, just call for this info if need be at the present time if you are concerned. -----Sid

[garthgantu]

Some random thoughts:

- The fact that TDcardz'n'comics' auctions read like an ad for CGG means nothing to me. If you were using a new, relatively unknown grading service, wouldn't you try to position it as the best? I know I would, if only to maximize the potential value of books slabbed by that new service. Maybe the guy's just not good at "promoting" CGG in a way that seems objective to others...

 

- CGG obviously should not provided preferential service to anyone, regardless of their proximity to CGG's offices. I believe that CGC has not done this, although I'm still curious as to whether large volume CGC customers are paying the same $ per book as the average customer - but even if CGC is giving "volume discounts" to major customers, they have every right to do so. Such info wouldn't be well-received by the average CGC customer, but that in-and-of-itseld doesn't constitute any sort of unethical business practice.

 

But I can see where, if you're just getting started in the biz and have far fewer customers than the market leader, you might well be tempted to bend a few rules in terms of submission turnaround times and so forth. If that keeps your repeat customers happy, you may feel obligated to do it. I think it's a mistake, but I don't think it necessarily means that CGG is doing other 'questionable' things - such as overgrading for preferred customers or whatever.