Threatening PM's. 3 3

[Calamerica]

The following opinion is intended with ALL DUE RESPECT.

 

I'd be willing to pay around $20 per year, but not much more than that. I'm not too sure about excluding folks that do not submit to CGC, though. Access to these boards can be the deciding factor for some that aren't sure they want their pride and joys slabbed.

Some people might be quite unhappy to pay hundreds of $$$ to join a forum only to pay perhaps hundreds of $$$ more to get their books slabbed, and then have to wait perhaps months for their books to even be viewed.

I, myself, understand that CGC is behind, and I understand the convention season is the main reason why, which is why I'm being [wryly] patient even though I'll unlikely attend any conventions anytime soon. But there would undoubtedly be some impatient people that would not tolerate waiting 3 months after paying for a 40 day turnaround [even with the disclaimer] because of conventions. These people may be even more offended that they would have to pay yet even more money in order receive quicker service, just to learn even that is not a guarentee of a timely turnaround [from what I've read from some members]. This may discourage them from using CGC's services again, which would certainly be within their right. Then they would be ticked off at the fact that they have paid hundreds of $$$ for a membership to a message board they will never use again.

 

I hope this post was relavent in some way.

 

Your due respect is appreciated and valued.

 

CAL

[Calamerica]

I'm not sure exactly who made you the forum police, but you and your kind are exactly why some of us just lurk instead of post.

 

You just gave me an idea... maybe they will let ME be a moderator.

 

Wow! Things ARE looking up CAL

 

Sarcasm doesn't help your case at the moment... :shrug:

 

who said I was being sarcastic? I truly think that might be a great idea. Now let's see... they can be sarcastic to me, but...

 

CAL sees things the way they are by their posts...

[Postal]

I'm not sure exactly who made you the forum police, but you and your kind are exactly why some of us just lurk instead of post.

 

You just gave me an idea... maybe they will let ME be a moderator.

 

Wow! Things ARE looking up CAL

 

You honesly have an inflated sense of self importance. I don't think you have enough money or cred to get a mod title.

[Calamerica]

I guess I have not helped comicdonna's cause here.... the focus got diverted several times from several of us and other topics I am concerned with will be detailed and open for further discussion on a separate thread.

 

So let's close this out, all agree that the threats against comicdonna, and anyone else, has got to stop.

 

We are behind comicdonna and that should be the main point.

 

CAL the gatekeeper

 

This was from page 10 of this Thread

 

If I were the Forum Plolice, I would have locked this Thread right here.

 

CAL not going to give up

[Calamerica]

I'm not sure exactly who made you the forum police, but you and your kind are exactly why some of us just lurk instead of post.

 

You just gave me an idea... maybe they will let ME be a moderator.

 

Wow! Things ARE looking up CAL

 

You honesly have an inflated sense of self importance. I don't think you have enough money or cred to get a mod title.

 

You are wrong on one of the accounts. By a LONG shot.

 

CAL

[Calamerica]

I'm not sure exactly who made you the forum police, but you and your kind are exactly why some of us just lurk instead of post.

 

You just gave me an idea... maybe they will let ME be a moderator.

 

Wow! Things ARE looking up CAL

 

You honesly have an inflated sense of self importance. I don't think you have enough money or cred to get a mod title.

 

you and your kind...great brotherly love, pardner. Enjoy your trolls, because I am against them. You are against me, thus you must be a troll-lover

 

CAL could not resist

[Comicopolis]

Somebody create a Poll - where's Boozad when you need him?

[COI]

Cal wanting respect brought to the boards by having experienced collectors and dealers paying their dues to eliminate disrespect towards CGC and the community at large.

 

Why is there an assumed correlation between spending a few bucks, or the extent to which someone participates in the hobby, and sanity?

 

I could pay $500 and submit 100 books a year to CGC; how exactly does that ensure that I won't act like a d-bag to other people in this community?

 

It does not insure against bad behavior. But I am betting my Aces Full that you would fall under the PROBABILITY of civil behavior. You would have something to lose, versus the trolls who rarely have anything to lose.

 

I stand behind my premise of the membership requirement, flawed or not.

 

CAL is actually trying to make the place better for everyone

 

Maybe. Let's assume you're right: you're proposing altering the structure of this board - a board that has operated the same way for 10 years - just for an increased probability that people will be a little more civil to each other; in the process, you may be alienating a substantial number of existing positive, contributing members to this community, as well as possibly deterring future positive, contributing members from joining. Sounds like a steep price for increasing the "probability of civil behavior" in a place that, relative to other internet message boards, is already pretty darn civil.

[Park]

I guess I have not helped comicdonna's cause here.... the focus got diverted several times from several of us and other topics I am concerned with will be detailed and open for further discussion on a separate thread.

 

So let's close this out, all agree that the threats against comicdonna, and anyone else, has got to stop.

 

We are behind comicdonna and that should be the main point.

 

CAL the gatekeeper

 

This was from page 10 of this Thread

 

If I were the Forum Plolice, I would have locked this Thread right here.

 

CAL not going to give up

 

You are saying you would have locked the thread long ago because the thread was "diverted"?

 

Yet you have gone on long after championing your agenda?

 

And you also claimed to not be hypocritical?

 

At least try to keep your ideas straight when you are telling the rest of us how we should be doing things.

[Designer Toast]

This thread has kinda run dry of fun.

 

Oddly enough, I got lured into the pay forum discussion. Dice tried to kick this back on track. I must reevaluate my position based on the many fine posts here and say that charging for membership here would suck for some, work for others. This concludes all seriousness from me in this thread.

Go back into your hole, Royce.

 

Come on over & hangout Royce. I'll order us up some wings & buy the beer.

 

I'd love to be anywhere but here right now. Working two weeks straight I'll take you up on it next year. Returning to work on Wednesday for the long stretch, so I will be in drinking mode tonight and hanging here.

 

--Royce who must invade a con east of here sometime and hang with the Tup man and make fun of greggy

[Calamerica]

Cal wanting respect brought to the boards by having experienced collectors and dealers paying their dues to eliminate disrespect towards CGC and the community at large.

 

Why is there an assumed correlation between spending a few bucks, or the extent to which someone participates in the hobby, and sanity?

 

I could pay $500 and submit 100 books a year to CGC; how exactly does that ensure that I won't act like a d-bag to other people in this community?

 

It does not insure against bad behavior. But I am betting my Aces Full that you would fall under the PROBABILITY of civil behavior. You would have something to lose, versus the trolls who rarely have anything to lose.

 

I stand behind my premise of the membership requirement, flawed or not.

 

CAL is actually trying to make the place better for everyone

 

Maybe. Let's assume you're right: you're proposing altering the structure of this board - a board that has operated the same way for 10 years - just for an increased probability that people will be a little more civil to each other; in the process, you may be alienating a substantial number of existing positive, contributing members to this community, as well as possibly deterring future positive, contributing members from joining. Sounds like a steep price for increasing the "probability of civil behavior" in a place that, relative to other internet message boards, is already pretty darn civil.

 

What about Randall Bartlett, who quit CGC becauseof the trolls? Why can't anyone see that CGC has ALREADY lost $$$ because of what goes on here?

 

CAL must be ahead of his time...again

[dupont2005]

I'm not sure exactly who made you the forum police, but you and your kind are exactly why some of us just lurk instead of post.

 

You just gave me an idea... maybe they will let ME be a moderator.

 

Wow! Things ARE looking up CAL

[Calamerica]

I guess I have not helped comicdonna's cause here.... the focus got diverted several times from several of us and other topics I am concerned with will be detailed and open for further discussion on a separate thread.

 

So let's close this out, all agree that the threats against comicdonna, and anyone else, has got to stop.

 

We are behind comicdonna and that should be the main point.

 

CAL the gatekeeper

 

This was from page 10 of this Thread

 

If I were the Forum Plolice, I would have locked this Thread right here.

 

CAL not going to give up

 

You are saying you would have locked the thread long ago because the thread was "diverted"?

 

Yes.

 

Yet you have gone on long after championing your agenda?

 

Yes. Why not?

 

And you also claimed to not be hypocritical?

 

No. Not "claimed". I CLAIM not to be hypocritical..

 

At least try to keep your ideas straight when you are telling the rest of us how we should be doing things.

 

How about YOU coming up with some ideas to keep the libel and other trolling activity to a halt? We all can read. Some better than others.

 

CAL who DOES keep his ideas straight

[Postal]

Just because someone disagrees with you makes them a troll. Keep living the dream.

[COI]

Cal wanting respect brought to the boards by having experienced collectors and dealers paying their dues to eliminate disrespect towards CGC and the community at large.

 

Why is there an assumed correlation between spending a few bucks, or the extent to which someone participates in the hobby, and sanity?

 

I could pay $500 and submit 100 books a year to CGC; how exactly does that ensure that I won't act like a d-bag to other people in this community?

 

It does not insure against bad behavior. But I am betting my Aces Full that you would fall under the PROBABILITY of civil behavior. You would have something to lose, versus the trolls who rarely have anything to lose.

 

I stand behind my premise of the membership requirement, flawed or not.

 

CAL is actually trying to make the place better for everyone

 

Maybe. Let's assume you're right: you're proposing altering the structure of this board - a board that has operated the same way for 10 years - just for an increased probability that people will be a little more civil to each other; in the process, you may be alienating a substantial number of existing positive, contributing members to this community, as well as possibly deterring future positive, contributing members from joining. Sounds like a steep price for increasing the "probability of civil behavior" in a place that, relative to other internet message boards, is already pretty darn civil.

 

What about Randall Bartlett, who quit CGC becauseof the trolls? Why can't anyone see that CGC has ALREADY lost $$$ because of what goes on here?

 

CAL must be ahead of his time...again

 

To determine whether or not CGC lost money because of the way they operate this forum, you have to determine whether losses like this Bartlett fellow, due to the current state of the forum, are greater than the losses that would be incurred with this proposed change of yours. You can't demonstrate that, so Bartlett must remain unavenged for now.

 

COI who doesn't like misleading arguments.

[Calamerica]

Just because someone disagrees with you makes them a troll. Keep living the dream.

 

That is right.

 

But this is not:

 

You honesly have an inflated sense of self importance. I don't think you have enough money or cred to get a mod title.

 

 

CAL

[dupont2005]

Cal wanting respect brought to the boards by having experienced collectors and dealers paying their dues to eliminate disrespect towards CGC and the community at large.

 

Why is there an assumed correlation between spending a few bucks, or the extent to which someone participates in the hobby, and sanity?

 

I could pay $500 and submit 100 books a year to CGC; how exactly does that ensure that I won't act like a d-bag to other people in this community?

 

It does not insure against bad behavior. But I am betting my Aces Full that you would fall under the PROBABILITY of civil behavior. You would have something to lose, versus the trolls who rarely have anything to lose.

 

I stand behind my premise of the membership requirement, flawed or not.

 

CAL is actually trying to make the place better for everyone

Cal, have you been given a strike before?

[Comicopolis]

[Calamerica]

How many others have quit or not joined when they see these threats and other troll garbage?

 

Yes hard to quantify but i know there has been several, if not dozens, who QUIT here. Add that to the many who REFUSE to join and now are on Comics Corral or other comic forums, and this number SHOULD be easy for us to figure out. By playing word-games, symantics, etc. is not helping. Arguing against a good idea( posted by OTHERS I am referring to) just smacks of the threat of someone not wanting to lose the ability to be rude and nasty when the mood strikes them.

 

We all have our bad days. I am trying to eliminate the deliberate threaqts, abd other troll-like behavior.

 

I stand behind my membership proposal and the more backlash I get against it, the more I think I am really closer to solving this problem.

 

Roentgen, Marie Curie, Eienstein, Spike Lee, and many others were told to "go away, you are crazy...whatever. They were ahead of their times.

 

CAL knows he is on to something big here...

[Mark 1]

Skypinkblu posted something quite easy and involves no cost to implement...

 

Have a waiting period for new joining members and also limit new members joining on the weekend. All new members are to be approved by the mods first. This is standard at a musician forum I frequent and we don't have any of the issues that happen here.

 

The cost of time for the mods will be affected to some degree but at least we won't have the random shills that seem to come and go with different threads (depending on the topic).

 

It won't get rid of threats or rude people but would help with the shills popping up all the time.

 

Either way, something should be done to improve this community. Death threats just shouldn't be happening or tolerated in any way, shape or form.