Steve Jobs passes away.

[ComicConnoisseur]

A couple of tid-bits about this modern day "DaVinci"

 

After resuming control of Apple in 1997, Jobs eliminated all corporate philanthropy programs.

 

When confronted with a daughter who the mother had been raising on welfare Jobs denied paternity by claiming he was sterile; he later acknowledged her as his daughter.

 

 

What are you trying to accomplish here?

 

I'm merely pointing out that Jobs is a False Messiah and I'm entertained by references to Edison, and DaVinci. He didn't cure cancer, he didn't create world peace, he didn't solve the world's starvation problem, and he sure as hell doesn't walk on water.

They will never totally cure cancer,they will never solve the world`s starvation problem, no one will ever walk on water, and most certainly there will never be a world peace, but wait

With Steve Jobs bringing human beings closer by technical communication, maybe just maybe people will converse on their iphones and ipads, and share ideas and knowledge in that someday maybe they will come up with ideas to cure cancer,solve the world`s starvation problem,have world peace and walk on water.

Steve Jobs will be remembered for making the human race bring ideas closer together.

 

[VintageComics]

I actually like Roy's argument that, at a very granular level, everything reverts back to basic machines. No one invents anything.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?

 

[VintageComics]

I actually like Roy's argument that, at a very granular level, everything reverts back to basic machines. No one invents anything.

 

I like Roy.

 

I do not like this argument.

 

 

We're going to debate this one day. Both points.

 

[VintageComics]

This thread has gone absurd.

 

To think that the guy has not even had his funeral ceremony and people need to come on here and tear him apart. And make cancer jokes.

 

Seriously.

 

 

 

 

[TupennyConan]

I actually like Roy's argument that, at a very granular level, everything reverts back to basic machines. No one invents anything.

 

I like Roy.

 

I do not like this argument.

 

 

We're going to debate this one day. Both points.

 

 

Could you link your argument/post, please? All I have read is Transplant's brief explication.

[VintageComics]

I actually like Roy's argument that, at a very granular level, everything reverts back to basic machines. No one invents anything.

 

I like Roy.

 

I do not like this argument.

 

 

We're going to debate this one day. Both points.

 

 

Could you link your argument/post, please? All I have read is Transplant's brief explication.

 

The debate was the difference between invention and innovation.

 

Ultimate, "invention" may just always be an innovation based on nature.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=4&Number=5138685&Searchpage=1&Main=236553&Words=&topic=0&Search=true#Post5138685

[ComicConnoisseur]

This thread has gone absurd.

 

To think that the guy has not even had his funeral ceremony and people need to come on here and tear him apart. And make cancer jokes.

 

Seriously.

 

 

 

What it is Roy is their jealous of his genius.They don`t understand the big picture.

[mschmidt]

Steve Jobs died of a rare pancreatic cancer.... I guess PC did win after all.

Cancer jokes. This thread has legs.... which I imagine will be chopped off pretty soon.

 

IBTL

 

Considering two of my relatives died from pancreatic cancer, all I have to say to you is this:

 

Go *spoon* yourself, you inconsiderate individual_without_enough_empathy :thumbsup:

[Transplant]

Steve Jobs died of a rare pancreatic cancer.... I guess PC did win after all.

Cancer jokes. This thread has legs.... which I imagine will be chopped off pretty soon.

 

IBTL

 

Considering two of my relatives died from pancreatic cancer, all I have to say to you is this:

 

Go *spoon* yourself, you inconsiderate individual_without_enough_empathy :thumbsup:

Yep. I'm kind of surprised the cancer joke has lasted this long.

[lilurl-migration]

... but in 500 years, people are going to speak of Steve Jobs in the breath as Da Vinci, Edison and Ford.

In my view, Jobs is at the front of that line.

Does this look familiar to you?

 

Along with deflecting criticism, the greatest trick that Jobs performed was putting himself as the "face" of the company, as if some benevolent god bestowed gifts upon the masses twice a year, and no one else had a hand in the work. Can you name people on the design teams?

Stan Lee, anyone?

Steve Jobs has been uploaded to the cloud and is now designing irregular fractals.

 

 

 

Steve Jobs died of a rare pancreatic cancer.... I guess PC did win after all.

 

[COI]

Steve Jobs died of a rare pancreatic cancer.... I guess PC did win after all.

Cancer jokes. This thread has legs.... which I imagine will be chopped off pretty soon.

 

IBTL

 

Considering two of my relatives died from pancreatic cancer, all I have to say to you is this:

 

Go *spoon* yourself, you inconsiderate individual_without_enough_empathy :thumbsup:

 

He's trolling, don't take the bait.

[TupennyConan]

The debate was the difference between invention and innovation.

 

Ultimate, "invention" may just always be an innovation based on nature.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=4&Number=5138685&Searchpage=1&Main=236553&Words=&topic=0&Search=true#Post5138685

 

Transplant did a nice job with his summary & you did a nice job distinguishing invention & innovation -- at least as far as your framing of those concepts is concerned.

 

The US & international patent offices give legal definitions that diverge from your concepts but you know that & that it isn't really your point as I understand it, anyway.

 

Your point is clever if not smart or rather smart.

 

I don't care for it for a few reasons. One reason being that it tends to diminish the accomplishment of the individual while elevating their role as a mere contingency in a chain of events.

 

There are left/right political implications to your line of thought that are forbidden as topics of discussion on the Boards but should be obvious without any rhetorical exploration within a few dozen nested & angry quotes.

 

I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you some time though, bro. You know that.

 

 

[namisgr]

 

Designing and inventing are two different things. What's so hard to understand about that?

Just because the all-powerful government labels it as "inventor" well, I guess the book is closed huh?

 

This is idiotic. Inventors are explicitly identified by the Patent offices around the world. The court systems around the world treat these decisions of inventorship by the various patent offices as legal and binding. In other words, both the international business community and international legal community consider inventorship to be established via the international patent systems.

 

Like I said earlier, you can debate fairly the degree of creativity and revolutionary/evolutionary aspects of Jobs' inventions, and argue persuasively that his brilliance was much more in design than invention, but it's clearly and incontrovertibly established that he was an inventor hundreds of times.

 

A quick search of the USPTO database reveals that Mr. Jobs is listed as co-inventor on 312 patents held by Apple, including from the first page:

 

8,032,843 User interface for providing consolidation and access

2 D645,860 Computing device

3 D645,037 Handheld portable computing device

4 D644,218 Electronic device with cover

5 D643,403 Media player

6 D643,402 Media device

7 8,000,736 User programmable switch for portable data processing devices

8 7,996,792 Voicemail manager for portable multifunction device

9 D642,563 Electronic device

10 D641,021 Keyboard

11 D640,695 Keyboard

12 D639,295 Computing device

13 7,958,441 Media management for groups of media items

14 7,956,272 Management of files in a personal communication device

15 D638,854 Media device

16 D638,835 Electronic device with graphical user interface

17 D638,441 User interface for a computer display

18 D637,596 Portable display device

19 D637,201 User interface for computer display

20 D636,392 Electronic device with graphical user interface

21 D636,390 Electronic device

22 D635,853 Packaging

23 D635,566 Electronic device

24 D635,455 Packaging

25 D634,319 Electronic device

26 D633,908 Electronic device

27 D633,907 Computing device

28 D633,498 Keyboard

29 D633,493 Electronic device

30 D633,470 Media player

31 D633,388 Packaging

32 D633,093 Keyboard

33 D633,092 Electronic device

34 D633,091 Electronic device

35 D633,090 Electronic device

36 D633,087 Portable computer

37 7,890,778 Power-off methods for portable electronic devices

38 7,889,497 Highly portable media device

39 7,878,326 Packaging

40 D629,799 Electronic device

41 D629,789 Media device

42 D629,786 Electronic device

43 7,860,536 Telephone interface for a portable communication device

44 D629,419 User interface for computer display

45 D628,799 Cover

46 7,853,972 Media preview user interface

47 D628,211 User interface for computer display

48 D627,778 Electronic device

49 D627,777 Portable display device

50 D627,367 Media device

[Boba]

Wow. A p i s s i n g contest on how to label a man who just passed away. I hate the internet more and more each day.

 

It's a sport around here.

[Jeffro.]

Jobs is a genius hands down. He will be remembered with the best of them.

 

Who invented the television?

 

Something tells me that no one here could answer that without looking it up. Seems like a pretty amazing invention huh?

 

I happen to know it's Philo Farnsworth. Why do I know that? Because I'm a genius.

 

Wrong it was Ralph Sony.

 

Who the is Ralph Sony?

 

He meant Sorny.

 

[sterlingcomics]

Goodbye Steve Jobs. I don't necessarily care for Apple, but I admired his work ethic. Apple took the closed hardware route vs. Microsoft's open hardware route. Apple's 2nd coming with the iPads/iPods etc is going to be hard to top.

 

I wonder if the perceived let down on the iPhone 4S is the company slipping from a vision perspective?

[Spiderphill]

Goodbye Steve Jobs. I don't necessarily care for Apple, but I admired his work ethic. Apple took the closed hardware route vs. Microsoft's open hardware route. Apple's 2nd coming with the iPads/iPods etc is going to be hard to top.

 

I wonder if the perceived let down on the iPhone 4S is the company slipping from a vision perspective?

Any and all Apple share holders, sell your stock now. It's that simple.

[oakman29]

 

Designing and inventing are two different things. What's so hard to understand about that?

Just because the all-powerful government labels it as "inventor" well, I guess the book is closed huh?

 

This is idiotic. Inventors are explicitly identified by the Patent offices around the world. The court systems around the world treat these decisions of inventorship by the various patent offices as legal and binding. In other words, both the international business community and international legal community consider inventorship to be established via the international patent systems.

 

Like I said earlier, you can debate fairly the degree of creativity and revolutionary/evolutionary aspects of Jobs' inventions, and argue persuasively that his brilliance was much more in design than invention, but it's clearly and incontrovertibly established that he was an inventor hundreds of times.

 

A quick search of the USPTO database reveals that Mr. Jobs is listed as co-inventor on 312 patents held by Apple, including from the first page:

 

8,032,843 User interface for providing consolidation and access

2 D645,860 Computing device

3 D645,037 Handheld portable computing device

4 D644,218 Electronic device with cover

5 D643,403 Media player

6 D643,402 Media device

7 8,000,736 User programmable switch for portable data processing devices

8 7,996,792 Voicemail manager for portable multifunction device

9 D642,563 Electronic device

10 D641,021 Keyboard

11 D640,695 Keyboard

12 D639,295 Computing device

13 7,958,441 Media management for groups of media items

14 7,956,272 Management of files in a personal communication device

15 D638,854 Media device

16 D638,835 Electronic device with graphical user interface

17 D638,441 User interface for a computer display

18 D637,596 Portable display device

19 D637,201 User interface for computer display

20 D636,392 Electronic device with graphical user interface

21 D636,390 Electronic device

22 D635,853 Packaging

23 D635,566 Electronic device

24 D635,455 Packaging

25 D634,319 Electronic device

26 D633,908 Electronic device

27 D633,907 Computing device

28 D633,498 Keyboard

29 D633,493 Electronic device

30 D633,470 Media player

31 D633,388 Packaging

32 D633,093 Keyboard

33 D633,092 Electronic device

34 D633,091 Electronic device

35 D633,090 Electronic device

36 D633,087 Portable computer

37 7,890,778 Power-off methods for portable electronic devices

38 7,889,497 Highly portable media device

39 7,878,326 Packaging

40 D629,799 Electronic device

41 D629,789 Media device

42 D629,786 Electronic device

43 7,860,536 Telephone interface for a portable communication device

44 D629,419 User interface for computer display

45 D628,799 Cover

46 7,853,972 Media preview user interface

47 D628,211 User interface for computer display

48 D627,778 Electronic device

49 D627,777 Portable display device

50 D627,367 Media device

 

Oh yeah! Well Al Gore invented the internet,so there.

 

[namisgr]

 

Oh yeah! Well Al Gore invented the internet,so there.

 

He should've patented it.

[oakman29]

Aside from a few haters around here.Steve Jobs is a Brilliant man,and is the Henry Ford of our day.