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Moderns that are heating up on ebay!
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Kyle R.

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Lot of logic here. Currently the market is full of speculators who weren't in the market a few years ago. You only need to look at the growth of Goggle Groups, Facebook and Speculator web sites. This has all exploded in the last couple of years. Good or bad it will take a few years to play out. Its happened before some of us are old enough to have had a prime seat when it happened last time.

 

1st app vs cameos is a prime example of the changing mentality. I am not sure it will stay around, but at some point somebody is going to get tired of paying thru the nose for a book with just a cover appearance. The trick currently is convincing the next guy. Its pretty easy to see it when the only discussion is a print run, 1st appearance, or variant.

 

 

Very true. I am one of those speculators who got back into the mix thanks to these websites.

 

Heyyyyyy, I resemble those remarks. I got back into the hobby in Aug 2013. I thought variants were very cool and bought a lot of them. Now, I still speculate on moderns but I know enough to have Silver, Bronze and a little Copper in my collection and to not buy so many variants.

 

It's all a learning experience. Unfortunately, the "old guard" are pretty uppity when it comes to speculation.

 

Regardless of what people think about how others should spend THEIR OWN money, the hobby is just fine. In fact, some of the new collectors/speculators are the ones buying their Gold, Silver, Bronze and Copper so that they can buy that same book in a higher grade (speculation). It's still called speculation. Even "readers" aren't buying books to fold up and put it in their back pocket. Books are read very carefully so as not to cause any, or more, damage, speculating that the book will not decrease in "value". Speculation, Holmes.

 

Again you weren't here for the last go around with large scale speculation from card dealers. So please don't tell me you understand the market when you just above admitted to being a victim when you started.

 

I got nothing personal against speculation. We all do it some extent. Even your ridiculous paragraph about doesn't really bother me. Where I have issues is just the outright lying and manipulation that comes with large scale speculation. Or when speculator web site pump a book that they themselves have bought dozens of copies. You cant be unbiased when you are vested in the success of the book you are reporting on.

 

I seriously doubt you know what readers do with their books or even what they read.

 

I do not think all spec sites are trying to market manipulate or doing it to sell their own books. I know there are a couple that do, but several that don't.

 

Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

 

Train of thought:

 

1. Create website

2. Buy books

3. Pump up demand for books by writing an article about it

4. Sell books on Ebay

5. Abnormal Increase in profits from doing step # 3

 

 

In conclusion: spec website = false spec market

 

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CBT

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uhm, you can replace "spec website" with THIS THREAD, and you'd still be on the money. Except this thread gets much higher google search placement, and exposure, then homebrew fly-by-night spec sites.

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ygogolak

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Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

Or just to accelerate the crash of the market? lol

 

I guess you're not familiar as to how a website can actually make you money, much this this very forum.

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vaillant

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Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

Or just to accelerate the crash of the market? lol

 

I guess you're not familiar as to how a website can actually make you money, much this this very forum.

I don’t know what you mean, but surely these things are not good for the market, or for ANY market, in the long term. :)

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Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

 

Well for some, it's an insatiable need for approval. :grin:

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RockMyAmadeus

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Lot of logic here. Currently the market is full of speculators who weren't in the market a few years ago. You only need to look at the growth of Goggle Groups, Facebook and Speculator web sites. This has all exploded in the last couple of years. Good or bad it will take a few years to play out. Its happened before some of us are old enough to have had a prime seat when it happened last time.

 

1st app vs cameos is a prime example of the changing mentality. I am not sure it will stay around, but at some point somebody is going to get tired of paying thru the nose for a book with just a cover appearance. The trick currently is convincing the next guy. Its pretty easy to see it when the only discussion is a print run, 1st appearance, or variant.

 

 

Very true. I am one of those speculators who got back into the mix thanks to these websites.

 

Heyyyyyy, I resemble those remarks. I got back into the hobby in Aug 2013. I thought variants were very cool and bought a lot of them. Now, I still speculate on moderns but I know enough to have Silver, Bronze and a little Copper in my collection and to not buy so many variants.

 

It's all a learning experience. Unfortunately, the "old guard" are pretty uppity when it comes to speculation.

 

Regardless of what people think about how others should spend THEIR OWN money, the hobby is just fine. In fact, some of the new collectors/speculators are the ones buying their Gold, Silver, Bronze and Copper so that they can buy that same book in a higher grade (speculation). It's still called speculation. Even "readers" aren't buying books to fold up and put it in their back pocket. Books are read very carefully so as not to cause any, or more, damage, speculating that the book will not decrease in "value". Speculation, Holmes.

 

Again you weren't here for the last go around with large scale speculation from card dealers. So please don't tell me you understand the market when you just above admitted to being a victim when you started.

 

I got nothing personal against speculation. We all do it some extent. Even your ridiculous paragraph about doesn't really bother me. Where I have issues is just the outright lying and manipulation that comes with large scale speculation. Or when speculator web site pump a book that they themselves have bought dozens of copies. You cant be unbiased when you are vested in the success of the book you are reporting on.

 

I seriously doubt you know what readers do with their books or even what they read.

 

I do not think all spec sites are trying to market manipulate or doing it to sell their own books. I know there are a couple that do, but several that don't.

 

Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

 

You know what's cool...?

 

I can hear that in your voice now...

 

:D

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RockMyAmadeus

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Lot of logic here. Currently the market is full of speculators who weren't in the market a few years ago. You only need to look at the growth of Goggle Groups, Facebook and Speculator web sites. This has all exploded in the last couple of years. Good or bad it will take a few years to play out. Its happened before some of us are old enough to have had a prime seat when it happened last time.

 

1st app vs cameos is a prime example of the changing mentality. I am not sure it will stay around, but at some point somebody is going to get tired of paying thru the nose for a book with just a cover appearance. The trick currently is convincing the next guy. Its pretty easy to see it when the only discussion is a print run, 1st appearance, or variant.

 

 

Very true. I am one of those speculators who got back into the mix thanks to these websites.

 

Heyyyyyy, I resemble those remarks. I got back into the hobby in Aug 2013. I thought variants were very cool and bought a lot of them. Now, I still speculate on moderns but I know enough to have Silver, Bronze and a little Copper in my collection and to not buy so many variants.

 

It's all a learning experience. Unfortunately, the "old guard" are pretty uppity when it comes to speculation.

 

Regardless of what people think about how others should spend THEIR OWN money, the hobby is just fine. In fact, some of the new collectors/speculators are the ones buying their Gold, Silver, Bronze and Copper so that they can buy that same book in a higher grade (speculation). It's still called speculation. Even "readers" aren't buying books to fold up and put it in their back pocket. Books are read very carefully so as not to cause any, or more, damage, speculating that the book will not decrease in "value". Speculation, Holmes.

 

Again you weren't here for the last go around with large scale speculation from card dealers. So please don't tell me you understand the market when you just above admitted to being a victim when you started.

 

I got nothing personal against speculation. We all do it some extent. Even your ridiculous paragraph about doesn't really bother me. Where I have issues is just the outright lying and manipulation that comes with large scale speculation. Or when speculator web site pump a book that they themselves have bought dozens of copies. You cant be unbiased when you are vested in the success of the book you are reporting on.

 

I seriously doubt you know what readers do with their books or even what they read.

 

I do not think all spec sites are trying to market manipulate or doing it to sell their own books. I know there are a couple that do, but several that don't.

 

Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

 

Train of thought:

 

1. Create website

2. Buy books

3. Pump up demand for books by writing an article about it

4. Sell books on Ebay

5. Abnormal Increase in profits from doing step # 3

 

 

In conclusion: spec website = false spec market

 

There have been creators who have done this, for kicks, profit, and both.

 

"Let's see...what's an obscure character that I can buy a ton of copies of, then reintroduce in my current book?"

 

 

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ygogolak

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Why on earth would anyone spend the time to create a site on speculation books for any reason other than to sell the ones they have?

Or just to accelerate the crash of the market? lol

 

I guess you're not familiar as to how a website can actually make you money, much this this very forum.

I don’t know what you mean, but surely these things are not good for the market, or for ANY market, in the long term. :)

Websites make money by selling advertising.

Similar to all of those sports "handicappers". If they are so good why wouldn't they just bet their own money in large sums on their picks?

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comicalgems

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You don't need a web site to pump a book. All you have to do is post in one of these heating up threads after you've bought a bunch of books on ebay for cheap and then bid up the remaining copy to a high amount.....so let's say you snag Justice League International Annual 4 for $3 or less per copy but buy all that you can find on ebay, initial investment of what a $100 and then there's a few auctions left so you say something like "Oh wow I just tried to buy JLI Annual 4 on ebay because I heard Lionheart is going to be in Legends of Tomorrow in the third season and all of the BINs sold today???" in this thread, which will compel someone to go and bid on the live auctions that you've already bid on by this point, just make sure you bid at least $20 on this $1 book and then boom you've got a book that's heating up...you can then sell your $1 books for $12-$15 ($5-$8 below the gavel price so a bargain for the new owner right!) and now you've profited off of speculating...

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You don't need a web site to pump a book. All you have to do is post in one of these heating up threads after you've bought a bunch of books on ebay for cheap and then bid up the remaining copy to a high amount.....so let's say you snag Justice League International Annual 4 for $3 or less per copy but buy all that you can find on ebay, initial investment of what a $100 and then there's a few auctions left so you say something like "Oh wow I just tried to buy JLI Annual 4 on ebay because I heard Lionheart is going to be in Legends of Tomorrow in the third season and all of the BINs sold today???" in this thread, which will compel someone to go and bid on the live auctions that you've already bid on by this point, just make sure you bid at least $20 on this $1 book and then boom you've got a book that's heating up...you can then sell your $1 books for $12-$15 ($5-$8 below the gavel price so a bargain for the new owner right!) and now you've profited off of speculating...

 

the first rule of pump and dump is not to explain pump and dump.... there will be a riot at your door shortly I'm sure.

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comicalgems

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You don't need a web site to pump a book. All you have to do is post in one of these heating up threads after you've bought a bunch of books on ebay for cheap and then bid up the remaining copy to a high amount.....so let's say you snag Justice League International Annual 4 for $3 or less per copy but buy all that you can find on ebay, initial investment of what a $100 and then there's a few auctions left so you say something like "Oh wow I just tried to buy JLI Annual 4 on ebay because I heard Lionheart is going to be in Legends of Tomorrow in the third season and all of the BINs sold today???" in this thread, which will compel someone to go and bid on the live auctions that you've already bid on by this point, just make sure you bid at least $20 on this $1 book and then boom you've got a book that's heating up...you can then sell your $1 books for $12-$15 ($5-$8 below the gavel price so a bargain for the new owner right!) and now you've profited off of speculating...

 

the first rule of pump and dump is not to explain pump and dump.... there will be a riot at your door shortly I'm sure.

 

ha probably, I don't have any JLI Annual 4s but y'know, these things can easily get out of hand if people don't verify the hotness of books.

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songsaboutclouds

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You don't need a web site to pump a book. All you have to do is post in one of these heating up threads after you've bought a bunch of books on ebay for cheap and then bid up the remaining copy to a high amount.....so let's say you snag Justice League International Annual 4 for $3 or less per copy but buy all that you can find on ebay, initial investment of what a $100 and then there's a few auctions left so you say something like "Oh wow I just tried to buy JLI Annual 4 on ebay because I heard Lionheart is going to be in Legends of Tomorrow in the third season and all of the BINs sold today???" in this thread, which will compel someone to go and bid on the live auctions that you've already bid on by this point, just make sure you bid at least $20 on this $1 book and then boom you've got a book that's heating up...you can then sell your $1 books for $12-$15 ($5-$8 below the gavel price so a bargain for the new owner right!) and now you've profited off of speculating...

 

JLI Annual #4 you say?

 

Off to see what's left.

Do you have a link to the Lionheart info?

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You don't need a web site to pump a book. All you have to do is post in one of these heating up threads after you've bought a bunch of books on ebay for cheap and then bid up the remaining copy to a high amount.....so let's say you snag Justice League International Annual 4 for $3 or less per copy but buy all that you can find on ebay, initial investment of what a $100 and then there's a few auctions left so you say something like "Oh wow I just tried to buy JLI Annual 4 on ebay because I heard Lionheart is going to be in Legends of Tomorrow in the third season and all of the BINs sold today???" in this thread, which will compel someone to go and bid on the live auctions that you've already bid on by this point, just make sure you bid at least $20 on this $1 book and then boom you've got a book that's heating up...you can then sell your $1 books for $12-$15 ($5-$8 below the gavel price so a bargain for the new owner right!) and now you've profited off of speculating...

 

i dunno, people react quickly and if it looks like there is demand they will also stick their copies up...by the time other people think it might be a $15 book for them to buy another set of people will have dug through their long boxes and found 500 copies

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RockMyAmadeus

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http://www.comicvine.com/lionheart/4005-50214/

 

Says right there on the page he was part of Justice League Task Force which also had Aquaman (Batman Vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice) and Black Canary (Arrow) so the proof is in the pudding

 

What kind of pudding?

 

I like chocolate, myself.

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http://www.comicvine.com/lionheart/4005-50214/

 

Says right there on the page he was part of Justice League Task Force which also had Aquaman (Batman Vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice) and Black Canary (Arrow) so the proof is in the pudding

 

What kind of pudding?

 

I like chocolate, myself.

 

I haven't been able to eat pudding again after watching the movie Dead Alive :sick:

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