Comic people on Frank Miller's rant

[TupennyConan]

As discussed last night.

 

Welcome back to the Boards, Dover.

[dover]

Wonder if Frank would take Millie or Chilli?

 

 

 

 

But Ditko?

 

[TupennyConan]

Big hands, big feet. Odd neck & shoulder arrangements.

[USArmyParatrooper]

The thing with Alan Moore is he is such an inventive and eloquent writer he could write an essay on how to tie a shoelace and it would be impressive in some regard.

Their styles seem so vastly different, Moore being literary and Miller cinematic. I could see arguing Moore vs. Gaiman, or even Miller vs. Mignola. But debating Moore vs. Miller seems pointless, other than their works both use the comic book medium.

 

What a wonderful analogy!

 

(thumbs u

[dover]

Dog-horses galore tramp around the backyard providing inspiration of an odd anatomical sort for Neil.

 

 

 

[TupennyConan]

Neil.

[dover]

flake

[Nexus]

I'd pay money to see Alan Moore debate Miller.

 

Alan Moore's take:

 

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/12/02/alan-moore-reacts-to-frank-miller/

[Logan510]

In addition to that, I prefer Miller over Moore. Figure that out.

 

 

Hey, we actually have something in common

[TupennyConan]

Back to the meditation on violence & Moore vs Miller.

 

Criticism against Miller in this thread & elsewhere has dogged his perceived exploitational use of violence. Is Miller an angry, mean-spirited fascist & such; or so it goes.

 

Moore doesn't seem to take these shots. Instead he is called a nutty warlock & so forth.

 

Dale, I believe, reminded the thread of the violence in Killing Joke. In retrospect now, that story seems to me to be a very Miller-esque yarn. Perhaps Moore was playing artistic opportunist as copycat closely on the heels of Miller's smash hit DKR?

 

Can we hear about Moore's Miracleman violence? It's rather notorious, isn't it?

[dover]

Moore uses too many words.

[TupennyConan]

Moore uses too many words.

 

Moore's words use him too much.

[rjpb]

Moore uses too many words.

 

...and make Hulk angry!

[dover]

Moore uses too many words.

 

Moore's words use him too much.

 

It is because he is in love with his message to the detriment of the story.

 

 

[dover]

Moore uses too many words.

 

...and make Hulk angry!

 

Don't make Hulk angry.

 

 

[TupennyConan]

Moore uses too many words.

 

Moore's words use him too much.

 

It is because he is in love with his message to the detriment of the story.

 

 

Well now, you see the money & self-promotion is in Batman. So you tell a dishonest Batman story to advance your message & career rather than an honest Tom Strong story which may promote your message but may not do much for your wealth & fame.

[TupennyConan]

Anyway, was Moore's Miracleman violence gratuitous, profound, artistic, or obscene?

 

I haven't read it but I've seen some of the art. Is anyone willing to justify or explain the artistic or literary or social merits of the Miracleman violence?

[TupennyConan]

My question is sincere. Please don't let my exchange with Dover mislead the thread into thinking I'm playing some sort of coy & ironic WC game of politics. I like Moore. I'm his fan. My question is just as it's written. There is no gotcha moment coming & his politics don't mean a damn thing to me.

[dover]

I Ike Moore too.

 

But if all the written text in the Watchmen was crucial to the story, I skipped it all. I just wanted to read a comic book.

 

 

[dover]

Outside of Greek statues, when is a beheading appropriate? Or not violent?