The Heritage / Pedigree Schmell Collection Auction has ended...

[sufunk]

Today was my first day off since the auction started and I've got to say that this is one of the strongest offerings of any Comic auction I've seen yet.....unless you collect early SA D.C. books. Other than that it's astounding. This will give us a good indicator of just how strong and deep the market really is. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

i pity the poor Marvel gatherer; us savvy DC collectors don't have to be concerned with things like: too many books, too little $, another better copy coming down the pike next week. this month in Heritage and Clink i bid on two books- oh, the excitement never wanes.

Seriously, this auction reinforces how boring it must be to collect SA Marvels. Want to put together what would be the best or 2nd best runs of Avengers, JIM/Thor, TOS, TTA, Strange Tales, X-Men and Daredevil? Just write a big check in 3 weeks. That's literally all it takes.

 

Networking, hustling, detective work? Bah, that's for the little people! Just put in the bids from the air-conditioned comfort of your home, withdraw some money from the trust fund, and voila! Mission accomplished!

 

Of course if you really want to be bored you can collect and read DC's! Its the same as saying "I collect rare boogers".

 

Harsh

 

Yet true!

[Bluetooth-migration]

Today was my first day off since the auction started and I've got to say that this is one of the strongest offerings of any Comic auction I've seen yet.....unless you collect early SA D.C. books. Other than that it's astounding. This will give us a good indicator of just how strong and deep the market really is. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

i pity the poor Marvel gatherer; us savvy DC collectors don't have to be concerned with things like: too many books, too little $, another better copy coming down the pike next week. this month in Heritage and Clink i bid on two books- oh, the excitement never wanes.

Seriously, this auction reinforces how boring it must be to collect SA Marvels. Want to put together what would be the best or 2nd best runs of Avengers, JIM/Thor, TOS, TTA, Strange Tales, X-Men and Daredevil? Just write a big check in 3 weeks. That's literally all it takes.

 

Networking, hustling, detective work? Bah, that's for the little people! Just put in the bids from the air-conditioned comfort of your home, withdraw some money from the trust fund, and voila! Mission accomplished!

 

Of course if you really want to be bored you can collect and read DC's! Its the same as saying "I collect rare boogers".

 

Harsh

 

Yet true!

 

I love Marvels and DC which for me is an all round

[sufunk]

Except for that "loving DC's part"

 

May god have mercy on your soul!

 

[Peter Loves Gwen]

Today was my first day off since the auction started and I've got to say that this is one of the strongest offerings of any Comic auction I've seen yet.....unless you collect early SA D.C. books. Other than that it's astounding. This will give us a good indicator of just how strong and deep the market really is. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

i pity the poor Marvel gatherer; us savvy DC collectors don't have to be concerned with things like: too many books, too little $, another better copy coming down the pike next week. this month in Heritage and Clink i bid on two books- oh, the excitement never wanes.

Seriously, this auction reinforces how boring it must be to collect SA Marvels. Want to put together what would be the best or 2nd best runs of Avengers, JIM/Thor, TOS, TTA, Strange Tales, X-Men and Daredevil? Just write a big check in 3 weeks. That's literally all it takes.

 

Networking, hustling, detective work? Bah, that's for the little people! Just put in the bids from the air-conditioned comfort of your home, withdraw some money from the trust fund, and voila! Mission accomplished!

 

Of course if you really want to be bored you can collect and read DC's! Its the same as saying "I collect rare boogers".

 

Harsh

 

Yet true!

 

Funny. That reminds me of a line from Despicable Me, a cute kids animated movie.

 

To paraphrase, a neighbor tells another neighbor that their dog is dropping bombs all over his yard. He responds by saying "dogs do that." The first neighbor says "You know they don't do that if they are dead...laugh laugh, I'm kidding...."

 

The great line is "But it's true."

[roulette44]

Can't we all just get along [font:Impact] and agree DC is where it's at [/font]

[paperheart]

Hate to try to get this thread back on the rails but X-men #1 first to hit $100k. where will it finish? $400k?

[Ghost Town]

Hate to try to get this thread back on the rails but X-men #1 first to hit $100k. where will it finish? $400k?

I'd be surprised if it didn't reach $400k. I'll guess $475k.

[Ghost Town]

More guesses:

 

Avengers #1 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $310k.

Tales of Suspense #39 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $365k

Fantastic Four #1 CGC 9.2 White Mountain $160k

Fantastic Four #3 CGC 9.6 $120k

 

[tth2]

More guesses:

 

Avengers #1 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $310k.

Tales of Suspense #39 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $365k

Fantastic Four #1 CGC 9.2 White Mountain $160k

Fantastic Four #3 CGC 9.6 $120k

If those predictions pan out, all I`ll be able to say is Wow!

[tth2]

Hate to try to get this thread back on the rails but X-men #1 first to hit $100k. where will it finish? $400k?

I'd be surprised if it didn't reach $400k. I'll guess $475k.

Wow to this too.

[sufunk]

More guesses:

 

Avengers #1 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $310k.

Tales of Suspense #39 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $365k

Fantastic Four #1 CGC 9.2 White Mountain $160k

Fantastic Four #3 CGC 9.6 $120k

 

Hmmm, i wouldn't be shocked to see it but if i had to put down a bet, i'd say those are about 10-12% too high

[Ghost Town]

More guesses:

 

Avengers #1 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $310k.

Tales of Suspense #39 CGC 9.6 Pacific Coast $365k

Fantastic Four #1 CGC 9.2 White Mountain $160k

Fantastic Four #3 CGC 9.6 $120k

 

Hmmm, i wouldn't be shocked to see it but if i had to put down a bet, i'd say those are about 10-12% too high

Could be. I used to know who was buying most of the high-grade Marvel keys. Now, I have no idea. But somebody (or somebodies) is out there buying a TOS #39 for $375k and an Avengers #1 for $250k. Not to mention the million dollar AF #15. So I've stopped being surprised by some of the sales figures with these books.

[sufunk]

Ill be interested to see what happens with the Avengers 1. Cheetah is out I assume and so is Doug. Brulato already has his and the mystery buyer bought the 250k copy. Who does that leave to buy THAT HG a copy???

 

Like you said, you guys in the know used to know who would be buying a book like that. Now, who the hell knows??? I wish I could say it is going to be me but it definitely won't be

[Kevin76]

Here's another take on Tim's comment about how boring it is to collect HG SA Marvels:

 

In one way, he's right. If you have enough money, you can find CGC-graded 9.4 and up copies of most anything in a given year, or even multiple copies. But as many others have already stated, 99% of us don't have anywhere near that kind of money. Therefore, we must engage in the detective work, strategy, and other great machinations that true collectors usually endure.

 

Here's one example -- I just picked up an FF #12 in 9.4, a book I could never just write a check for. I'm an English teacher with a comic budget that maybe reaches $10k a year. But over the years, I've bought high-quality stuff, all FF related.

 

So when I got word that a guy I know had an FF #12 in his safety-deposit box and was planning to move it someday, I jumped in with everything I had at what I thought would be just the right moment. 33 graded comics (only 4 were SA books, the rest late Silver and Bronze) and three major pieces of OA later, the book was in my hands.

 

Now, of course, I have a lot of money tied up in a single book, which is not usually my preference given that I'm trying to build an FF run book by book. But down the road I can perhaps pick up a lower-grade FF #12 (9.0?) and move the 9.4 to the right buyer for cash (and more cash than I paid in trade)...which will require even MORE patience, detective work, connections, and luck.

 

That's the fun of collecting for me...I can't buy a superb run of HG SA Marvels, especially since I have strict requirements for page quality, color, centering, and the like. But I can get a small sample of superb SA Marvels on a budget -- just the kind of challenge I love.

 

Dan

Valid points, Dan, but you guys are all missing my main point.

 

What I'm saying is that if I'm a very wealthy individual, then in 3 weeks I can write a check for $5 million, or $10 million, and have near-complete ultra-HG runs of several major SA Marvel titles, and immediately vault to the top (or at least 2nd) of the Marvel collector ranks. The point is that they exist and are available for sale, so it's just a case of writing a big enough check (I understand that not everyone can write such a check, but it is available for those who can write such a check).

 

In contrast, I could offer to write a $20 million or $30 million or $100 million check for comparable SA DC runs and it will do no good because such complete ultra-HG runs don't exist. Well, maybe with a $100 million check I could "convince" CGC to magically certify a Showcase 8, 13, 14 and 22 and B&b 29 & 30 as 9.4s, but right now those books simply don't exist in those grades, so all the money in the world won't do me any good.

 

That's all I'm saying.

 

I hear what you're saying about the "common" Marvels. While Dan is correct that most of us don't have the resources to chase Marvel runs in 9.4, tth2 is correct in all it takes is money and a little effort.

 

Yet, we as collectors like the challenge. My collecting focus consists of mostly 1st appearances.....in 9.0 and with white pages. I make DC my priority and I am more forgiving with lower graded titles, but I stick with OW or better pages. Obviously with Marvel, this is easy. BUT....and there is a but, I try and get the best possible copy in 9.0 white.

This means no miswraps, no white edges, no writing on the cover....The Marvel box in the upper left corner must be completely colored in...no fading, no color missing....

 

I had a Fantastic Four 48 9.0 white that I recently had to sell..(broke my heart to let it go).It was perfect !!...The centering was spot on, the color and gloss to the book was spectacular....The back cover was white and the staples were centered...Now, this is a super common book in high grade, but not in the condition of this one....

 

While anyone with cash can "buy a complete run", it's finding the "perfect copy" that can be elusive....even with Marvel...

 

I've been saying this for years. Being rich would be nice since you won't have to worry about where your next meal is going to come from but at the same time, It would be boring to a poiint..Exotic vacation? Done. Mansion? Done Ferrari in the driveway? Done Ultra HG Silver Marvel Collection? Done ...all done in one day! Not to mention all your friends and family consitantly hitting you up for loans that don't get repaid. if I was mega rich, I'd put together as much of the Edgar Church Collection as I could as well as OA.

[Bluetooth-migration]

Here's another take on Tim's comment about how boring it is to collect HG SA Marvels:

 

In one way, he's right. If you have enough money, you can find CGC-graded 9.4 and up copies of most anything in a given year, or even multiple copies. But as many others have already stated, 99% of us don't have anywhere near that kind of money. Therefore, we must engage in the detective work, strategy, and other great machinations that true collectors usually endure.

 

Here's one example -- I just picked up an FF #12 in 9.4, a book I could never just write a check for. I'm an English teacher with a comic budget that maybe reaches $10k a year. But over the years, I've bought high-quality stuff, all FF related.

 

So when I got word that a guy I know had an FF #12 in his safety-deposit box and was planning to move it someday, I jumped in with everything I had at what I thought would be just the right moment. 33 graded comics (only 4 were SA books, the rest late Silver and Bronze) and three major pieces of OA later, the book was in my hands.

 

Now, of course, I have a lot of money tied up in a single book, which is not usually my preference given that I'm trying to build an FF run book by book. But down the road I can perhaps pick up a lower-grade FF #12 (9.0?) and move the 9.4 to the right buyer for cash (and more cash than I paid in trade)...which will require even MORE patience, detective work, connections, and luck.

 

That's the fun of collecting for me...I can't buy a superb run of HG SA Marvels, especially since I have strict requirements for page quality, color, centering, and the like. But I can get a small sample of superb SA Marvels on a budget -- just the kind of challenge I love.

 

Dan

Valid points, Dan, but you guys are all missing my main point.

 

What I'm saying is that if I'm a very wealthy individual, then in 3 weeks I can write a check for $5 million, or $10 million, and have near-complete ultra-HG runs of several major SA Marvel titles, and immediately vault to the top (or at least 2nd) of the Marvel collector ranks. The point is that they exist and are available for sale, so it's just a case of writing a big enough check (I understand that not everyone can write such a check, but it is available for those who can write such a check).

 

In contrast, I could offer to write a $20 million or $30 million or $100 million check for comparable SA DC runs and it will do no good because such complete ultra-HG runs don't exist. Well, maybe with a $100 million check I could "convince" CGC to magically certify a Showcase 8, 13, 14 and 22 and B&b 29 & 30 as 9.4s, but right now those books simply don't exist in those grades, so all the money in the world won't do me any good.

 

That's all I'm saying.

 

I hear what you're saying about the "common" Marvels. While Dan is correct that most of us don't have the resources to chase Marvel runs in 9.4, tth2 is correct in all it takes is money and a little effort.

 

Yet, we as collectors like the challenge. My collecting focus consists of mostly 1st appearances.....in 9.0 and with white pages. I make DC my priority and I am more forgiving with lower graded titles, but I stick with OW or better pages. Obviously with Marvel, this is easy. BUT....and there is a but, I try and get the best possible copy in 9.0 white.

This means no miswraps, no white edges, no writing on the cover....The Marvel box in the upper left corner must be completely colored in...no fading, no color missing....

 

I had a Fantastic Four 48 9.0 white that I recently had to sell..(broke my heart to let it go).It was perfect !!...The centering was spot on, the color and gloss to the book was spectacular....The back cover was white and the staples were centered...Now, this is a super common book in high grade, but not in the condition of this one....

 

While anyone with cash can "buy a complete run", it's finding the "perfect copy" that can be elusive....even with Marvel...

 

I've been saying this for years. Being rich would be nice since you won't have to worry about where your next meal is going to come from but at the same time, It would be boring to a poiint..Exotic vacation? Done. Mansion? Done Ferrari in the driveway? Done Ultra HG Silver Marvel Collection? Done ...all done in one day! Not to mention all your friends and family consitantly hitting you up for loans that don't get repaid. if I was mega rich, I'd put together as much of the Edgar Church Collection as I could as well as OA.

 

Being rich is over rated. You can't take anything with you, not even the ultimate collection.

[Ghost Town]

Ill be interested to see what happens with the Avengers 1. Cheetah is out I assume and so is Doug. Brulato already has his and the mystery buyer bought the 250k copy. Who does that leave to buy THAT HG a copy???

 

Like you said, you guys in the know used to know who would be buying a book like that. Now, who the hell knows??? I wish I could say it is going to be me but it definitely won't be

I'd guess there are a few mystery buyers out there. A number of key books have sold for big numbers in the last few years. And unless somebody is buying duplicates, it's more than one guy writing the checks.

 

I suspect some of the biggest surprises will be with the non-key books. The keys usually get our attention but I'd think there are some tough issues of Journey Into Mystery, Strange Tales, TTA, or TOS that will open our eyes the most.

[Mark 1]

Even being poor you can't take things with you (loved ones, pictures, etc).

 

It's being alive and enjoying it regardless of wealth that counts.

 

With that said, I'll take having money over not any day of the week.

 

Now bringing this thread back on topic... I've checked out a lot of the TOS and surprisingly they have chipping even a 9.6. I would never buy this book as a 9.6

 

 

[cheetah]

Ill be interested to see what happens with the Avengers 1. Cheetah is out I assume and so is Doug. Brulato already has his and the mystery buyer bought the 250k copy. Who does that leave to buy THAT HG a copy???

 

Like you said, you guys in the know used to know who would be buying a book like that. Now, who the hell knows??? I wish I could say it is going to be me but it definitely won't be

I'd guess there are a few mystery buyers out there. A number of key books have sold for big numbers in the last few years. And unless somebody is buying duplicates, it's more than one guy writing the checks.

 

I suspect some of the biggest surprises will be with the non-key books. The keys usually get our attention but I'd think there are some tough issues of Journey Into Mystery, Strange Tales, TTA, or TOS that will open our eyes the most.

 

I'm guessing the +#20 X-men and Avengers are going to be fairly flat to disappointing in their prices. FF, TTA and TOS, however, will go very high.

[Silver Surfer]

Even being poor you can't take things with you (loved ones, pictures, etc).

 

It's being alive and enjoying it regardless of wealth that counts.

 

With that said, I'll take having money over not any day of the week.

 

Now bringing this thread back on topic... I've checked out a lot of the TOS and surprisingly they have chipping even a 9.6. I would never buy this book as a 9.6

 

 

Minor chipping and the book is in pristine condition.

[Bluetooth-migration]

Even being poor you can't take things with you (loved ones, pictures, etc).

 

It's being alive and enjoying it regardless of wealth that counts.

 

With that said, I'll take having money over not any day of the week.

 

Now bringing this thread back on topic... I've checked out a lot of the TOS and surprisingly they have chipping even a 9.6. I would never buy this book as a 9.6

 

 

Minor chipping and the book is in pristine condition.

 

It is pristine, apart from the chipping

To many, that's a deal breaker in that grade.