Menace Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 No hard feelings Menace. I've never met you, but know we could back each other in a street fight. Keep up the fight! (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ryan, take that other one out of the frame, RIGHT NOW!!! In progress... (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@Captain_Sawyer Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ryan, take that other one out of the frame, RIGHT NOW!!! In progress... (thumbs u Congrats Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I have never had a dog in this race. There are people who pre-order and get X amount of copies based on the writer,artist,story outline and research. If the comic takes off,then they hit paydirt at 35% off cover. There are those that prefer to wait until a book has broken out in the secondary market and will buy at a premium. So when 500 copies of a proven financial windfall is out at cover,why are people suprised that a feeding frenzy - regardless of intent - ensues? The simple answer to this was to have had 5000 copies printed. Image knew the secondary demand - and if not,then there is a position begging to be created at Image! Image printed a woefully short number of issues. The ones that don't pre-order saw free $50 notes being handed out - and scrambled accordingly. As for the people predicting the end of the world - sure, but only for the people caught holding the baby. And tbh, I'm not really sure that with an Image product you can actually be left with 'too many' copies - especially if you pre-order. Lastly to es - I, and others, have been beating this horse for months. When you let outsiders print their 'variants' then this kind of stuff ensues. Image should never,ever allow the likes of certain groups to print 'variants' again. If you at Image want to do it - and stuff up - then fine. Don't let other groups do it for you. Better still,just have 1 cover per issue and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like pie Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wushugushu Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Rofl pie Whats the point of posting your opinion if you are going to get offended every time youre in a position to elaborate on it? Youre entitled to your opinion but that doesnt mean others arent entitled to discuss it.. No animosity Edited February 20, 2013 by wushugushu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e.s. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Oh I'm sorry. What I meant to say was: comic sales are up (in dollars, not units) by 12.4% from last year, while graphic novels are down 6% from last year therefore ...more people are reading comics. Perfect logic. Well, more people are reading Image comics. We had a 38% increase in units at Image from 2011 to 2012. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Linguini Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 "hey E.S. this phantom program is terrible right? they print all of these variants I can't get ahold of! they're taking money away from the creators" "I don't actually have a problem with more variants" That was my favorite back and forth from this thread so far. That was like two weeks ago. We all know you don't like variants. I don't think anyone cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaseman210 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Woah, Ryan, what cover is that? I've never seen it, and it looks AWESOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e.s. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Lastly to es - I, and others, have been beating this horse for months. When you let outsiders print their 'variants' then this kind of stuff ensues. Image should never,ever allow the likes of certain groups to print 'variants' again. If you at Image want to do it - and stuff up - then fine. Don't let other groups do it for you. Better still,just have 1 cover per issue and be done with it. They don't print the variants -- we do. In the case of retail exclusives, a store or a group of stores will express interest in buying a set number of copies of an exclusive cover in addition to what they would typically order. If it's something like a ComicsPro variant or an RRP cover, those are done as a "thank you" to the retail community. CBLDF variants are generally done to help promote the Fund, and I think it's a good way to help raise awareness of both the work they do and the books involved in the program. No matter what the case, we print the books, and we control the print runs. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Oh I'm sorry. What I meant to say was: comic sales are up (in dollars, not units) by 12.4% from last year, while graphic novels are down 6% from last year therefore ...more people are reading comics. Perfect logic. Well, more people are reading Image comics. We had a 38% increase in units at Image from 2011 to 2012. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com The stories and art have been superior this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Oh I'm sorry. What I meant to say was: comic sales are up (in dollars, not units) by 12.4% from last year, while graphic novels are down 6% from last year therefore ...more people are reading comics. Perfect logic. Well, more people are reading Image comics. We had a 38% increase in units at Image from 2011 to 2012. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com Thank for this info e.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 OMG! The frame set it off. Going to have to have this professionally framed!! Love you e.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Lastly to es - I, and others, have been beating this horse for months. When you let outsiders print their 'variants' then this kind of stuff ensues. Image should never,ever allow the likes of certain groups to print 'variants' again. If you at Image want to do it - and stuff up - then fine. Don't let other groups do it for you. Better still,just have 1 cover per issue and be done with it. They don't print the variants -- we do. In the case of retail exclusives, a store or a group of stores will express interest in buying a set number of copies of an exclusive cover in addition to what they would typically order. If it's something like a ComicsPro variant or an RRP cover, those are done as a "thank you" to the retail community. CBLDF variants are generally done to help promote the Fund, and I think it's a good way to help raise awareness of both the work they do and the books involved in the program. No matter what the case, we print the books, and we control the print runs. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com Then you create your own problems. As aptly demonstrated in the last 400 posts in this very topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaseman210 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Oh, I see. Niceee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katchoo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Oh I'm sorry. What I meant to say was: comic sales are up (in dollars, not units) by 12.4% from last year, while graphic novels are down 6% from last year therefore ...more people are reading comics. Perfect logic. Well, more people are reading Image comics. We had a 38% increase in units at Image from 2011 to 2012. -e.s. Eric Stephenson Publisher Image Comics, Inc. www.imagecomics.com Or the same number of readers are just reading more Image comics. In reality, it's probably a mixture of both. My problem was just with presenting stats to "back up" something that it doesn't back up at all. (I think I'm supposed to put a here now, not sure, still learning the forum etiquette) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Play nice, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Sounds like you have your dissertation topic Katchoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebtorres Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Just got in and read enough of the thread to catch up. While I may not necessarily agree fully with Andy, I don't think he's not playing nice. New guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebtorres Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ryan, that personalized print e.s. sent you looks awesome! Now sell me the unsigned one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
