peewee22 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I personally think it's a nice looking BB 28. Clean cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I personally think it's a nice looking BB 28. Clean cover. I agree, the book has a fresh look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Don't get me wrong, it is a nice book. The cover has great color and gloss. That being said, the bottom right corner on the B&B 28 has too many issues to be a 7.5 or even 7.0 IMHO. As a reference, here is an 8.0 SA DC I won in December on Clink that I view as being more accurately graded (note - there is a scratch in the "Detective" logo on the slab, not a printing crease/wrinkle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. I think assuming your grading has been consistent and theirs has not is just as much as a leap in judgement as the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Don't get me wrong, it is a nice book. The cover has great color and gloss. That being said, the bottom right corner on the B&B 28 has too many issues to be a 7.5 or even 7.0 IMHO. As a reference, here is an 8.0 SA DC I won in December on Clink that I view as being more accurately graded (note - there is a scratch in the "Detective" logo on the slab, not a printing crease/wrinkle). Not to revisit my earlier point too much, but in this case you picked a book that you own and you feel based on your interpretation and personal views fits a certain grading standard. This includes bias towards flaws that you personally degrade for harder than others (implicitly or not). Given that the grade is about the book as a whole, not just what we can see on the covers and not based on "eye appeal," your reasoning isn't objective. All viewpoints currently are based on limited data (i.e. no one is holding both raw books in front of them and has a detailed description of CGC's grading standards to match). Of course you are entitled to your viewpoint, but your arbitrary comparison of a different book in a different grade isn't strong evidence to say the book is over or under graded. Edited January 14, 2016 by rfoiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. I think assuming your grading has been consistent and theirs has not is just as much as a leap in judgement as the reverse. I'd disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. I think assuming your grading has been consistent and theirs has not is just as much as a leap in judgement as the reverse. I'd disagree with that. Just as I am sure they would disagree with you. :shrug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. I think assuming your grading has been consistent and theirs has not is just as much as a leap in judgement as the reverse. I'd disagree with that. Just as I am sure they would disagree with you. :shrug: I have proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Realistically it either comes down to trusting CGCs grading standards and buying books with the eye appeal you want in grades you can afford, or not. :shrug: What people are disagreeing with is the variation in CGC's grading standards. Exactly. If you have been submitting since the beginning you notice the swing from strict to loose and back. The key is timing your buying to strict grading and your own submissions to looser grading. I think assuming your grading has been consistent and theirs has not is just as much as a leap in judgement as the reverse. I'd disagree with that. Just as I am sure they would disagree with you. :shrug: I have proof. Ok, provide it. Please. Edited January 14, 2016 by rfoiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ok, provide it. Please. That would be proprietary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ok, provide it. Please. That would be proprietary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 7.5 on the HA Anybody making any bets? I'm betting safely: more than the 4.0, and less than the 8.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Speaking of 8.0's, this just popped onto Heritage's February 18-20 Signature Auction Preview: http://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-brave-and-the-bold-28-justice-league-of-america-savannah-pedigree-dc-1960-cgc-vf-80-cream-to-off-white-pagesandlt-/p/7124-152001.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515# Such a pretty book, and a pedigree no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Seriously regarding the 7.5. Is it possible that could be a 25K+ book by the time the auction rolls around? In Dec. 2014 it hit 20K as an OW-W with only 3 recorded sales on the GPA. In 2015 there was only one recorded sale for a CR-OW around the same amt. The 7.5 OW looks purty, but I don't dig the writing (some folks don't mind). Boba: we're upgrading your custom tilte from TOTAL NEWBIE to PEDIGREE HUNTER. P.S.-this thread REALLY needs some mo love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Seriously regarding the 7.5. Is it possible that could be a 25K+ book by the time the auction rolls around? In Dec. 2014 it hit 20K as an OW-W with only 3 recorded sales on the GPA. In 2015 there was only one recorded sale for a CR-OW around the same amt. The 7.5 OW looks purty, but I don't dig the writing (some folks don't mind). Boba: we're upgrading your custom tilte from TOTAL NEWBIE to PEDIGREE HUNTER. P.S.-this thread REALLY needs some mo love. I think it is a $20k+ book for sure, would love to see it for $25K+ but that might be a stretch (unfortunately) due to the writing. Honestly, this book still has upside in 7.0+ due to upcoming movies and scarcity in high grade. Edited January 20, 2016 by rfoiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Speaking of 8.0's, this just popped onto Heritage's February 18-20 Signature Auction Preview: http://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-brave-and-the-bold-28-justice-league-of-america-savannah-pedigree-dc-1960-cgc-vf-80-cream-to-off-white-pagesandlt-/p/7124-152001.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515# Such a pretty book, and a pedigree no less It is a tough call between the 7.5 with the writing and this one with its top edge... Personally I am not a fan of pedigrees because they can cost more. I hope it sells well though! HA has all the BB28s in high grade these days it seems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I look at it this way - with a pedigree you can at least count on the fact it was prized as a collectible by the owner for a considerable portion of its existence. You can't say that about all books that have wound up slabbed. I also like that CGC has created this unique designation of pedigree comics (and NGC with coins to some degree as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Boba: we're upgrading your custom tilte from TOTAL NEWBIE to PEDIGREE HUNTER. P.S.-this thread REALLY needs some mo love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Speaking of 8.0's, this just popped onto Heritage's February 18-20 Signature Auction Preview: http://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-brave-and-the-bold-28-justice-league-of-america-savannah-pedigree-dc-1960-cgc-vf-80-cream-to-off-white-pagesandlt-/p/7124-152001.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515# Such a pretty book, and a pedigree no less Nice book. Really early for a Savanah copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
