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[fastballspecial]

Always thought Carnage was the original Venom just slightly more insane. Its works as long as the writer can get some good one liners in there.

 

[vaillant]

Always thought Carnage was the original Venom just slightly more insane. Its works as long as the writer can get some good one liners in there.

 

He is supposed to be mentally instable, and the symbiote adapt to the host, so it made sense, That’s why I liked the idea but of course it takes work to be handled properly. Work = a thing of the past.

[Murphman13]

Seriously?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infinity-Gauntlet-Complete-Set-Lot-1-6-NM-9-2-Starlin-Lim-Thanos-/291011683888?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item43c1a5e630

 

 

[MrWeen]

Seriously?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infinity-Gauntlet-Complete-Set-Lot-1-6-NM-9-2-Starlin-Lim-Thanos-/291011683888?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item43c1a5e630

 

 

An increase in anything infinity gauntlet related makes perfect sense

 

 

see Thor: The Dark World

 

[darkstar]

Seriously?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infinity-Gauntlet-Complete-Set-Lot-1-6-NM-9-2-Starlin-Lim-Thanos-/291011683888?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item43c1a5e630

 

 

I'm pretty sure the 17 feedback bidder is also selling an Infinity Gauntlet set and trying to drum up the interest and prices for this book.

[jsilverjanet]

Um, that actually made sense though.

 

the entire Norman Osborn / Dark Reign / Thunderbolts becoming the Avengers, was the last marvel storyline I enjoyed.

 

Now its all "lets do more events but start from the same beginning every time"

 

Honestly, Jimmy: NO.

 

99% of what Marvel has done in the last ten years has little to do with the proper meaning of the word "sense".

 

While I agree silver/bronze Marvel is great, there is also a lot of fluff. Copper has some good stuff but there is also a lot of . Modern the same. The writing definitely has improved over time in some series but I can see how this can be off putting if you idolize the early stuff. Kirby and Ditko etc aren't walking through Marvel doors anymore. Has some of it been outrageous no doubt (hate Norman came back) but it's pretty difficult to maintain characters for over 50-60 years without some change, especially as society changes. The world has changed, why shouldn't comics. I'm sure Golden Age fans were appalled at the new direction Captain America/SubMariner took in the 60's. I enjoy them for what they are while trying not to reminiscent about the past or what could have been.

 

Claudio, if we were truly honest, much of what Marvel has done in it's entire history doesn't make much sense.

[vaillant]

Um, that actually made sense though.

 

the entire Norman Osborn / Dark Reign / Thunderbolts becoming the Avengers, was the last marvel storyline I enjoyed.

 

Now its all "lets do more events but start from the same beginning every time"

 

Honestly, Jimmy: NO.

 

99% of what Marvel has done in the last ten years has little to do with the proper meaning of the word "sense".

 

While I agree silver/bronze Marvel is great, there is also a lot of fluff. Copper has some good stuff but there is also a lot of . Modern the same. The writing definitely has improved over time in some series but I can see how this can be off putting if you idolize the early stuff. Kirby and Ditko etc aren't walking through Marvel doors anymore. Has some of it been outrageous no doubt (hate Norman came back) but it's pretty difficult to maintain characters for over 50-60 years without some change, especially as society changes. The world has changed, why shouldn't comics. I'm sure Golden Age fans were appalled at the new direction Captain America/SubMariner took in the 60's. I enjoy them for what they are while trying not to reminiscent about the past or what could have been.

 

Claudio, if we were truly honest, much of what Marvel has done in it's entire history doesn't make much sense.

 

This would open up a huge discussion, as I pretty much entirely disagree with your three last statements. As much as I love Jack’s work, I am not nostalgic about a good deal of the early Lee/Kirby (except the FF which I know quite well). In fact, I may not even have read them. Or I haven’t read them yet, so I certainly not "idolize" them. I prefer early to mid-bronze, and even some copper, in which there are indeed gems (Power Pack is a fine example, and I will never get tired repeating this).

 

If I am not nostalgic, surely it’s not in the negative (and sterile) meaning of the word (and this speaks a lot on how superficially language ends up being used when a word is deprived of the richness of its meaning), and while one may be more or less affectioned to different periods, it’s the whole concept which stayed at the basis of the Marvel Age, and how it was developed, that made sense.

And I mean "sense", in the fullest, highest, etimological meaning of the word.

 

To me, the Marvel Age ended up more or less around the early 1990s. More markedly after Quesada became Editor in Chief. Marvel’s future is what I am more interested in.

The world changes, but it changes through the choices which are being made, and you are part of this change, and the essence of things never change. Marvel was all about this coherence, which is now lost.

[vaillant]

BTW, all would have been easily, and originally, handled by starting to make the characters age a little more, while developing their stories, and introducing new character. This was excellently done in the mid to late 1980s – as an example I still consider Magneto’s reformation and the Sandman character development awesome things. Now they already thrashed them, and more than once.

 

Now Matt Fraction does not even know the age differences between the chidren brought in the Future Foundation, and Hickman probably cared even less.

[Point Five]

as an example I still consider Magneto’s reformation ... awesome thing.

+1 !

 

Preach it, brother.

 

 

[jsilverjanet]

Claudio, I did not mean to offend and you are right we can certainly discuss at much greater length. However your last post makes it seem that the original version or even vision of the power pack team or the FF children is dear to you, and any change or misinterpretation of that original version will seem mediocre. All I'm saying as that there has been some good things in the past 10 years, it has not all been bad, some good has come. I certainly think some of the writing has gotten better etc but that's debatable. I will agree with the Quesada comment. How he became editor in chief is baffling.

 

 

 

 

[vaillant]

Claudio, I did not mean to offend and you are right we can certainly discuss at much greater length. However your last post makes it seem that the original version or even vision of the power pack team or the FF children is dear to you, and any change or misinterpretation of that original version will seem mediocre. All I'm saying as that there has been some good things in the past 10 years, it has not all been bad, some good has come. I certainly think some of the writing has gotten better etc but that's debatable. I will agree with the Quesada comment. How he became editor in chief is baffling.

 

It‘s a very long discourse, and I have been reasoning upon it for almost 25 years, so it’s not something "out of the blue".

 

Your example does not hold, as it is related to impressions, and memories one can hold dear, but it‘s not the objective element I have tried to underline – and which pretty much eluded me in full – for the last 20 years or so.

 

For example, Power Pack had almost no editorial life after the series ended (and Louise Simonson was happily pushed out), so it cannot be taken as an example.

"Interpretation" is too much a vague word. A writer, when taking up such a thing as Marvel as it was in the – say – early 1970s, had something to work upon but also something to work within. And a good writer can freely express himself/herself, while building upon – and developing consistently, something which existed before him.

It seems to me it’s not chiefly a question of "original version", as "versions" is something which has been misinterpreted in the more ego-centered modern thought, meaning that the writer can, and should, do whatever he "feels".

If you are familiar with the work of Steve Gerber, for example, and how he approached characters he did not create as related to their creator, you’ll begin to see better what I mean.

In fact, I love more the mature later stories than the sense of wonder of the early Marvel Age, as they showed maturation, development, consistency.

 

It‘s not about versions, rather about consistency, which is no longer there.

And most of all, about heroism, which is also barely there, because to write a story of a certain weight, you must have the background.

And most of these current writers, I am sorry to say, they do not have (but I think it’s more a problem of management).

[vaillant]

as an example I still consider Magneto’s reformation ... awesome thing.

+1 !

 

Preach it, brother.

 

 

Another example: I never cared much about the X-Men before I restarted reading Marvels as a young adult in the late 1980s, and that was one of the thing which hooked me up. Also the cured Michael Morbius, the maturity of Roger Stern writing on the Avengers, etc.

[kimik]

The best Spidey storyline since the 80s was hands down Sins of the Past. That is the only Spidey arc I have read and enjoyed since the McSpidey run as a kid. I loved the fact that it tarnished the myth of Gwen Stacy - it was great.

[ion comics]

No offense, but I actually stopped reading Spider-Man after that travesty. Somebody was smokin' wayyyy too many tennis shoes to come up with a storyline like that one.

 

Carl

[500Club]

The best Spidey storyline since the 80s was hands down Sins of the Past. That is the only Spidey arc I have read and enjoyed since the McSpidey run as a kid. I loved the fact that it tarnished the myth of Gwen Stacy - it was great.

 

You're getting a kidney punch at the next show we do.

[fastballspecial]

The best Spidey storyline since the 80s was hands down Sins of the Past. That is the only Spidey arc I have read and enjoyed since the McSpidey run as a kid. I loved the fact that it tarnished the myth of Gwen Stacy - it was great.

 

The real winner is....

 

Death of Jean De-Wolffe the Sin Eater Saga.

 

[slym2none]

I liked it when we found out that Matt Murdock's girl Karen Page was *gasp* a heroin-addicted porn-star instead of the soap-opera star she dreamed of.

 

But the Jean DeWolff/Sin Eater story was awesome, I got to read my buddy's copies when it came out and I was blown away. Not really a kiddie-comic, IMHO. But I loved it!

 

 

 

-slym

[seanfingh]

The best Spidey storyline since the 80s was hands down Sins of the Past. That is the only Spidey arc I have read and enjoyed since the McSpidey run as a kid. I loved the fact that it tarnished the myth of Gwen Stacy - it was great.

 

The real winner is....

 

Death of Jean De-Wolffe the Sin Eater Saga.

 

 

Death of Jean DeWollfe and Kraven's Last Hunt are one and two and everything else is light years behind.

[kimik]

No offense, but I actually stopped reading Spider-Man after that travesty. Somebody was smokin' wayyyy too many tennis shoes to come up with a storyline like that one.

 

Carl

 

No offense taken. Not being a hardcore Spidey fan, I thought it was a great revisionist take on why Norman killed Gwen.

 

That and it has my all-time favorite panel in a Spidey comic (I will post it later from home).

[kimik]

The best Spidey storyline since the 80s was hands down Sins of the Past. That is the only Spidey arc I have read and enjoyed since the McSpidey run as a kid. I loved the fact that it tarnished the myth of Gwen Stacy - it was great.

 

You're getting a kidney punch at the next show we do.

 

 

That bit of the story reminded me of something Ennis would have done in his Preacher run - unexpected and shocking to the fanboys. (thumbs u