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[gaz973]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

…We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack…

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

[divad]

The only truly fair way to do this would be to do it "double blind". Both graders receive scans of the same raw books. Neither knows what the books are, or what the other person grades them at. A third party would be responsible for finding the books (of various grades, naturally) scanning them and receiving the respective grades from the two competitors, the books are sealed and sent to CGC. When the books are returned to the third party, only then are the grades revealed to the two competitors and if they wish, they can compare notes. The grader with the lowest margin of error wins. If you wanted to get even more detailed, have the two graders prepare their own grader's notes with various defects and why they gave a certain book a certain score. Grader's notes can then be purchased from CGC and compared. The loser would agree to donate a small amount to a charity of the winner's choosing. Fair?

 

At twenty paces, of course.

[divad]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

…We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack…

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

But who's to say that it's not the real Domino on the cover of NM 98? It's not a part of the story, therefore her status is not certain, regardless of the interior. Cover apps rule in my mind.

[gaz973]

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And I always will.

But you haven't always. Are you not willing to entertain defending your raw grading at all? As someone pointed out earlier, your history of returns for raw books on Ebay is not very dispositive of whether you're un/intentionally overgrading.

 

What I am doing other than offering a friendly wager to quantify what you say already exists?

Divad's never gonna go for it as he stands to lose face and I'm betting he doesn't feel too confident about winning. Don't know what he expects when he keeps on posting his auctions in this thread for people to scrutinise so often.

 

Personally, I won't sell a raw book as advertised more than NM even if it is higher. If someone is going to do that then they should put their money where their mouth is IMHO.

Edited September 29, 2014 by gaz973

[gaz973]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

…We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack…

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

But who's to say that it's not the real Domino on the cover of NM 98? It's not a part of the story, therefore her status is not certain, regardless of the interior. Cover apps rule in my mind.

You're probably correct in that people looking for the 1st Domino appearance will go for the # 98 like RMA said earlier. It certainly is the first appearance of her likeness.

[Transplant]

The only truly fair way to do this would be to do it "double blind". Both graders receive scans of the same raw books. Neither knows what the books are, or what the other person grades them at. A third party would be responsible for finding the books (of various grades, naturally) scanning them and receiving the respective grades from the two competitors, the books are sealed and sent to CGC. When the books are returned to the third party, only then are the grades revealed to the two competitors and if they wish, they can compare notes. The grader with the lowest margin of error wins. If you wanted to get even more detailed, have the two graders prepare their own grader's notes with various defects and why they gave a certain book a certain score. Grader's notes can then be purchased from CGC and compared. The loser would agree to donate a small amount to a charity of the winner's choosing. Fair?

 

It's not a challenge of my grading ability. Although I did take 3rd in Matt Nelson's onsite, 20 book/20 minute grading challenge some years back. I'm not the one listing raw books as 9.8s on Ebay and profiting from suckers who can't grade.

[Logan510]

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And I always will.

But you haven't always. Are you not willing to entertain defending your raw grading at all? As someone pointed out earlier, your history of returns for raw books on Ebay is not very dispositive of whether you're un/intentionally overgrading.

 

What I am doing other than offering a friendly wager to quantify what you say already exists?

Divad's never gonna go for it as he stands to lose face and I'm betting he doesn't feel too confident about winning. Don't know what he expects when he keeps on posting his auctions in this thread for people to scrutinise so often.

 

Personally, I won't sell a raw book as advertised more than NM even if it is higher. If someone is going to do that then they should put their money where there mouth is IMHO.

 

I'll use numerical grades for raw books, but usually offer a split grade like 9.4 / 9.6. I don't think I've ever offered a raw book for sale that I labeled a 9.8 even if I thought it was.

[RockMyAmadeus]

The only truly fair way to do this would be to do it "double blind". Both graders receive scans of the same raw books. Neither knows what the books are, or what the other person grades them at. A third party would be responsible for finding the books (of various grades, naturally) scanning them and receiving the respective grades from the two competitors, the books are sealed and sent to CGC. When the books are returned to the third party, only then are the grades revealed to the two competitors and if they wish, they can compare notes. The grader with the lowest margin of error wins. If you wanted to get even more detailed, have the two graders prepare their own grader's notes with various defects and why they gave a certain book a certain score. Grader's notes can then be purchased from CGC and compared. The loser would agree to donate a small amount to a charity of the winner's choosing. Fair?

 

It's not a challenge of my grading ability. Although I did take 3rd in Matt Nelson's onsite, 20 book/20 minute grading challenge some years back. I'm not the one listing raw books as 9.8s on Ebay and profiting from suckers who can't grade.

 

Fourth place, baby!

 

JUST out of the top 3.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

…We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack…

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

But who's to say that it's not the real Domino on the cover of NM 98? It's not a part of the story, therefore her status is not certain, regardless of the interior. Cover apps rule in my mind.

I'm surprised that no one has yet suggested that flashbacks don't count.

 

I can certainly see an argument to be made that NM 98 is where we first became aware of a character named Domino and her general character, even if it wasn't her.

[revat]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

But who's to say that it's not the real Domino on the cover of NM 98? It's not a part of the story, therefore her status is not certain, regardless of the interior. Cover apps rule in my mind.

I'm surprised that no one has yet suggested that flashbacks don't count.

 

I can certainly see an argument to be made that NM 98 is where we first became aware of a character named Domino and her general character, even if it wasn't her.

 

I got's to get that cheddar, iTs issue 8! especially when the movie comes out!

[gaz973]

All this is because people are guessing that Domino is going to make it into one of the upcoming movies? It's not like there's been an announcement or anything.

 

You guys are gonna be blushing when it turns out to be Boom Boom who makes it into the Deadpool and X Force movies. The day will come for Secret Wars II whateverthehellissueitwas.

[the authority]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

Yep, sorry Aggiez but this is correct. The Domino in X Force # 8 is the real one making # 8 the first appearance, not # 11.

But who's to say that it's not the real Domino on the cover of NM 98? It's not a part of the story, therefore her status is not certain, regardless of the interior. Cover apps rule in my mind.

I'm surprised that no one has yet suggested that flashbacks don't count.

 

I can certainly see an argument to be made that NM 98 is where we first became aware of a character named Domino and her general character, even if it wasn't her.

 

I got's to get that cheddar, iTs issue 8! especially when the movie comes out!

 

Unless they use Copycat in the movie...

[awakeintheashes]

All this is because people are guessing that Domino is going to make it into one of the upcoming movies? It's not like there's been an announcement or anything.

 

You guys are gonna be blushing when it turns out to be Boom Boom who makes it into the Deadpool and X Force movies. The day will come for Secret Wars II whateverthehellissueitwas.

 

I'm not sure about #8, but it seems like #11 is because of the Deadpool cover appearance. I think Domino is an added bonus.

[fastballspecial]

Any reason why X-Force 4 & 5 aren't on the list? Is it because Deadpool's not on the cover?

 

We can only stand so much drek.

 

[fastballspecial]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

I guarantee the grade of every book I sell. I think I've had two returns in over 12 years and 10,000 sales. And those were many years ago.

 

And even you know there are still many variables in this statement, "if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?"

 

I wasn't trying to bait you, I was sincerely curious.

I will put this out there. A wager that benefits charity.

 

I will buy a raw book of my choosing from Divad's ebay listings, now or in the near future. The book can be sent to a neutral third party who will relay it to CGC, fast-tracked at my expense, without further pressing or any modification from its current state upon receipt. If the book comes back in the same grade, I will sell the book and donate any profits to charity. I will also donate $100 to the charity of Divad's choosing.

 

If the book does not come back the same grade, the book will still be sold with profits going to charity. Additionally, Divad must put the following statement in his signature line:

 

"I cannot consistently guarantee the grades of raw books that I sell on Ebay. In fact, I should probably get them graded myself rather than selling hope to others." in 20pt, bolded font, for 1 year.

 

 

Deal?? I'm 1:1 on public board wagers. I'm due to lose.

 

The terms of the wager aren't equitable. There's nothing in it for Dunbar, and much to lose.

 

If you're going to make this wager, you'll have to offer an incentive that is equitable to the disincentive of the sig statement.

 

And...not that I'm defending Dunbar, I'm not....but everyone reading this knows, or should know, that the difference between a 9.8 and 9.6 is frequently non-existent. If I grade a book a 9.8, and it comes back 9.6, and vice versa, it doesn't prove anything. If I grade a book a 9.8 and it comes back 9.2, now we've got something.

 

nods in agreement.

 

[fastballspecial]

I still cant get over the pages and pages of arguments over X-force. Its just mind blowing.

 

[WebSlinger]

Well I would say #8.........but I don't know much......

[fastballspecial]

Lets bring up some other books. I am tired of reading about X-force. I know it will eventually see a price bump, but I can only read so much about that 90s . I lived it and it was bad enough then.

 

Firestorm 3 is doing quite well.

 

 

Just out of curiosity, WHY is it doing so well? It's not the 1st appearance of the current Killer Frost at all. It's not her origin, it's not her backstory. It's nothing except a first appearance of a character that's not in any upcoming movies, television shows or even animation.

 

It's like saying "Green Lantern is hot". Then I'd have to ask "which one?"

 

Im unsure how to answer this. Do you want me to list data showing the price has been rising for awhile? That speculators are chasing any and all 1st appearances?

 

Or do you want to discuss 1st appearances? How people want to buy a book to know how the character started? You seem rather upset about this in general though so is there something I am missing.

 

I don't make this stuff up I just point it out. I was just dog dead tired reading about X-force.

 

Should I pick another book?

 

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by Fastballspecial

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

If there was an announcement that both Gideon and Copycat were going to appear in movies, would it make any difference to comic values?

[darkstar]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

I guarantee the grade of every book I sell. I think I've had two returns in over 12 years and 10,000 sales. And those were many years ago.

 

And even you know there are still many variables in this statement, "if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?"

 

I wasn't trying to bait you, I was sincerely curious.

I will put this out there. A wager that benefits charity.

 

I will buy a raw book of my choosing from Divad's ebay listings, now or in the near future. The book can be sent to a neutral third party who will relay it to CGC, fast-tracked at my expense, without further pressing or any modification from its current state upon receipt. If the book comes back in the same grade, I will sell the book and donate any profits to charity. I will also donate $100 to the charity of Divad's choosing.

 

If the book does not come back the same grade, the book will still be sold with profits going to charity. Additionally, Divad must put the following statement in his signature line:

 

"I cannot consistently guarantee the grades of raw books that I sell on Ebay. In fact, I should probably get them graded myself rather than selling hope to others." in 20pt, bolded font, for 1 year.

 

 

Deal?? I'm 1:1 on public board wagers. I'm due to lose.

 

You should buy this one:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201180314081