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[cmixer]

I heard Tim Drake might get a movie.

 

Batman #436 and #442 are going to go through the ROOF.

 

Time to buy OA:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-original-comic-art-Pat-Broderick-436-Pg-22-Framed-Signed-/281452392897?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4187deb1c1

 

 

[divad]

Lets bring up some other books. I am tired of reading about X-force. I know it will eventually see a price bump, but I can only read so much about that 90s . I lived it and it was bad enough then.

 

Firestorm 3 is doing quite well.

 

 

Just out of curiosity, WHY is it doing so well? It's not the 1st appearance of the current Killer Frost at all. It's not her origin, it's not her backstory. It's nothing except a first appearance of a character that's not in any upcoming movies, television shows or even animation.

 

It's like saying "Green Lantern is hot". Then I'd have to ask "which one?"

 

Most likely for the same reason that MSH 18 went through the roof, even though none of the characters are the same as the movie Guardians (Yondu did appear, but that character had little in common with the original Yondu). People will go back to the "first first" and that book will spike, regardless of the retcons and changes that have been made to the character over time. At least, that is how it is playing out right now.

 

I sort of get the confusion with the Guardians of the Galaxy simply because it's a 'group' and there's no direct comparison to some older versions of the Guardians. In that regard, it's not an entirely bad idea to grab the 1st "1st".

 

But it should be markedly simpler to establish the lineage, origin or appearance of a singular character. For instance the 1st appearance of Star Lord. If folks wanted to find that, it'd be fairly easy. To find the current lineup of the Guardians as found on-screen, you'd have to get more recent of course.

 

Showcase 22 will always be a grail, but if there's a 'new onscreen GL' that isn't Hal....I wouldn't expect it to spike unusually. I'd expect the 1st appearance of whatever incarnation of that 'new onscreen GL' to pop a bit.

 

Same deal with this issue: there's like a bazillion Killer Frosts. The one slated for the small screen has no relationship whatsoever to the prior Frosts. Even in the multiple animated series and animated movies: more than 1 Killer Frost has been portrayed. DC is obviously retconing or reconing this character because 'she' is utterly confusing and it'd be much simpler to have the new one be the definitive one. Up until the Forever Evil storyline she didn't even have a proper origin story.

 

That is all logical and well-thought out. I'm not sure the market responds to either of those concepts.

 

[MrWeen]

No love for Nomad 4 yet? If X-force 2 is hot then it's undervalued.

[ygogolak]

 

That is all logical and well-thought out. I'm not sure the market responds to either of those concepts.

 

Are people not allowed to just buy a book because of a character anymore? I wonder how books got hot before TV and movies.

[Transplant]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

I guarantee the grade of every book I sell. I think I've had two returns in over 12 years and 10,000 sales. And those were many years ago.

 

And even you know there are still many variables in this statement, "if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?"

 

I wasn't trying to bait you, I was sincerely curious.

I will put this out there. A wager that benefits charity.

 

I will buy a raw book of my choosing from Divad's ebay listings, now or in the near future. The book can be sent to a neutral third party who will relay it to CGC, fast-tracked at my expense, without further pressing or any modification from its current state upon receipt. If the book comes back in the same grade, I will sell the book and donate any profits to charity. I will also donate $100 to the charity of Divad's choosing.

 

If the book does not come back the same grade, the book will still be sold with profits going to charity. Additionally, Divad must put the following statement in his signature line:

 

"I cannot consistently guarantee the grades of raw books that I sell on Ebay. In fact, I should probably get them graded myself rather than selling hope to others." in 20pt, bolded font, for 1 year.

 

 

Deal?? I'm 1:1 on public board wagers. I'm due to lose.

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

I guarantee the grade of every book I sell. I think I've had two returns in over 12 years and 10,000 sales. And those were many years ago.

 

And even you know there are still many variables in this statement, "if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?"

 

I wasn't trying to bait you, I was sincerely curious.

I will put this out there. A wager that benefits charity.

 

I will buy a raw book of my choosing from Divad's ebay listings, now or in the near future. The book can be sent to a neutral third party who will relay it to CGC, fast-tracked at my expense, without further pressing or any modification from its current state upon receipt. If the book comes back in the same grade, I will sell the book and donate any profits to charity. I will also donate $100 to the charity of Divad's choosing.

 

If the book does not come back the same grade, the book will still be sold with profits going to charity. Additionally, Divad must put the following statement in his signature line:

 

"I cannot consistently guarantee the grades of raw books that I sell on Ebay. In fact, I should probably get them graded myself rather than selling hope to others." in 20pt, bolded font, for 1 year.

 

 

Deal?? I'm 1:1 on public board wagers. I'm due to lose.

 

The terms of the wager aren't equitable. There's nothing in it for Dunbar, and much to lose.

 

If you're going to make this wager, you'll have to offer an incentive that is equitable to the disincentive of the sig statement.

 

And...not that I'm defending Dunbar, I'm not....but everyone reading this knows, or should know, that the difference between a 9.8 and 9.6 is frequently non-existent. If I grade a book a 9.8, and it comes back 9.6, and vice versa, it doesn't prove anything. If I grade a book a 9.8 and it comes back 9.2, now we've got something.

[Transplant]

The terms of the wager aren't equitable. There's nothing in it for Dunbar, and much to lose.

I tried to make it equitable. That is, an extra $100 donation to a charity of his choosing. I'm open to other terms.

 

If you're going to make this wager, you'll have to offer an incentive that is equitable to the disincentive of the sig statement.

 

And...not that I'm defending Dunbar, I'm not....but everyone reading this knows, or should know, that the difference between a 9.8 and 9.6 is frequently non-existent. If I grade a book a 9.8, and it comes back 9.6, and vice versa, it doesn't prove anything. If I grade a book a 9.8 and it comes back 9.2, now we've got something.

 

This was one I considered. Doing a round of 5 or 10 books and allowing 1 grade level difference, but it started getting expensive quick. However, IMHO, if you're advertising a book as 9.8 raw, you should be DAMN sure it's going to grade a 9.8 on submission. Otherwise, you're selling hope. And, this is the point many people have made, why leave that extra $$ on the table if you're convinced something will grade a 9.8?

 

 

Fair points, all.

[revat]

For Guardians of the Galaxy, I kind of look like them as a sports team.

 

The 2012 SF Giants won the World Series. They have zero members that were on the team that moved to SF from New York in the 1958. But no one would argue that the first appearance of the SF Giants would have been 1958.

 

Also 2010 and 2012 Giants winning the World Series undoubtedly raised the value of memorabilia related to other classic Giant players like Willie Mays or Willie Macovey, despite their limited relation to the WS winners.

 

Also, I have no doubt items related to the original NY Giants were affected positively as well, due to rareness, nostalgia, raised profile, and other factors.

[Transplant]

So can someone please give me a list of the hottest Copper/80s books right now?

 

New Mutants #87, #98

X-Force #2, #11

Avengers #196

MTU #95

 

 

Put the work in and dig through this thread.

The rabbit don't come easy.

 

OK, am I missing anything?

 

Albedo #2

Amazing Spiderman #300

Avengers #196

Batman Adventures #12

DC Comics Presents #26

Marvel Premiere #15, 47

Marvel Team-Up #95

Ms. Marvel #1

New Mutants #87, #98

Swamp Thing #37

Tales of the New Teen Titans #44

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (1st print)

X-Factor #6

X-Force #2, #11

 

I'm not sure the second list accomplishes anything that the first didn't in terms of why someone would readily divulge any such information.

[divad]

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And I always will.

[Logan510]

 

That is all logical and well-thought out. I'm not sure the market responds to either of those concepts.

 

Are people not allowed to just buy a book because of a character anymore? I wonder how books got hot before TV and movies.

 

The creative team ( mainly the artist ).

[divad]

 

That is all logical and well-thought out. I'm not sure the market responds to either of those concepts.

 

Are people not allowed to just buy a book because of a character anymore? I wonder how books got hot before TV and movies.

 

The creative team ( mainly the artist ).

 

Ahh, the good old days (like last year)

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

I heard Tim Drake might get a movie.

 

Batman #436 and #442 are going to go through the ROOF.

Oh, please do, WB. I have like 25 copies of 442

[Transplant]

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And I always will.

But you haven't always. Are you not willing to entertain defending your raw grading at all? As someone pointed out earlier, your history of returns for raw books on Ebay is not very dispositive of whether you're un/intentionally overgrading.

 

What I am doing other than offering a friendly wager to quantify what you say already exists?

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

I thought Domino's first appearance was X-Force #8 per Marvel.com

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Domino_%28Neena_Thurman%29

I agree, # 8 should be her first appearance. I suspect that CGC just overlooked that one.

 

Looked through X-Force #8 and Domino is all through out the book.

 

So, Domino's 1st appearance is:

 

New Mutants 98

X-Force 11

 

and now X-Force 8

 

 

 

Marvel.com has her 1st appearance listed as X-Force #8 so... back to searching the dollar bins

 

 

"Domino" is on the cover to #8, just like NM#98. However, looks to be a Strange Tales #114 type of issue, exepct carried forward over several issues.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_11

 

"Domino is studying up on her teammates when Deadpool makes his appearance. He knocks Domino around and continues to call her Vanessa. He reveals that she has been working as a mole for Tolliver and has been giving him trade secrets on the team but has stopped recently. They continue to fight and Deadpool threatens that she must start giving Tolliver what he wants or Tolliver will come after her. He then reveals that she is not really Domino and has just taken her persona....Tolliver enters the depths of his secret castle. He walks with Pico and enters a room where he is keeping a prisoner. He states that she has been there for more than a year and has not adjusted to their hospitality. The prisoner is revealed to be none other than the real Domino."

 

Thus, #11 is the 1st appearance of the 'real' Domino, as the CGC label states. New Mutants #98 and all of the pre-#11 X-Force books are Copycat, impersonating Domino.

Nope. Check the info for issue #8, including:

 

Supporting Characters:

Domino - (Only in flashback), (First appearance)

 

…We're given a glimpse of Cable's past for almost the rest of the issue. He's the leader of a team called Wild Pack…

 

Domino appears in flashback, and presumably this is the actual Domino, long before her abduction.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Force_Vol_1_8

 

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

I guarantee the grade of every book I sell. I think I've had two returns in over 12 years and 10,000 sales. And those were many years ago.

 

And even you know there are still many variables in this statement, "if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?"

 

I wasn't trying to bait you, I was sincerely curious.

I will put this out there. A wager that benefits charity.

 

I will buy a raw book of my choosing from Divad's ebay listings, now or in the near future. The book can be sent to a neutral third party who will relay it to CGC, fast-tracked at my expense, without further pressing or any modification from its current state upon receipt. If the book comes back in the same grade, I will sell the book and donate any profits to charity. I will also donate $100 to the charity of Divad's choosing.

 

If the book does not come back the same grade, the book will still be sold with profits going to charity. Additionally, Divad must put the following statement in his signature line:

 

"I cannot consistently guarantee the grades of raw books that I sell on Ebay. In fact, I should probably get them graded myself rather than selling hope to others." in 20pt, bolded font, for 1 year.

 

 

Deal?? I'm 1:1 on public board wagers. I'm due to lose.

I know I'm relatively new here, but I will volunteer to be the recipient should this wager be accepted and the book purchased soon. I'm planning on submitting some books for grading at NYCC, so it's no inconvenience for me.

[Guardian Comics]

You sell labels jim, not books, and you can't even see the books in your listings - get a life.

 

You wouldn't know a HG book from a hole in the ground.

 

Just out of curiosity, would you guarantee that numerical grade if someone bought it and sent it straight into CGC without a press?

 

 

Best question of the thread.

 

Like I said I will never mention it ever again. I just wanna see the answer without "the too many variables" response.

 

Jim

 

Such a troll - go spend some time on your website, where it's really needed.

 

I'm not a troll at all, I was under the impression someday you might actually "get it" but it appears to be a lost cause, that's why I won't point it out anymore.

 

A) Don't need a website, as I can sell a book on reputation alone, sight unseen.

 

B) Secondly, and it's my biggest concern. Sure you might not get many returns, but what you are doing is using the term "9.8" to get your biggest returns, by selling them to people who in reality don't have a clue and are trusting you as the seller to be a better grader than they are. That's the problem. If you used the term NM or higher, you and I would never have an issue at all. You put the term 9.8 in there and you get people to bite. That's why we have an issue.

 

You won't change, so I have given up. It's just not good for the hobby in general.

 

Jim

[divad]

I won't point it out anymore.

 

 

Can I quote you on that? (for like the fifth-freakin' time). I don't like the way you do things either, but do I troll you?

[Amadeus Arkham]

The only truly fair way to do this would be to do it "double blind". Both graders receive scans of the same raw books. Neither knows what the books are, or what the other person grades them at. A third party would be responsible for finding the books (of various grades, naturally) scanning them and receiving the respective grades from the two competitors, the books are sealed and sent to CGC. When the books are returned to the third party, only then are the grades revealed to the two competitors and if they wish, they can compare notes. The grader with the lowest margin of error wins. If you wanted to get even more detailed, have the two graders prepare their own grader's notes with various defects and why they gave a certain book a certain score. Grader's notes can then be purchased from CGC and compared. The loser would agree to donate a small amount to a charity of the winner's choosing. Fair?

[seanfingh]