Wow - Marvel Preview #7 goes through the roof...

[Mishmashman]

Off the topic of RR, do you guys see Star-Lord books, particularly MP4 going down after the release of GOTG. Just got a high grader for a decent price, and was wondering if the book has any more upside, or if it has peaked. I've heard grumblings that of the GOTG characters, Star-Lord will have the biggest presence in future marvel films, but that could all be bs.

 

Honestly speaking I do not see either of these books being "worth" more than about $400, even in high grade. After extensively studying the eBay data for both books, they are routinely and consistently going for 3-400 in the highest grades. You have one or two crazy high sales, with no feedback left for the seller afterwards. And the over priced buy it now listings are just sitting there with few or no watchers. I am also observing what can only be an attempted pump and dump in a couple of current auctions on both books. Considering both of these books were only recently pulled from total obscurity, that they are going for even 300 or so is awesome. But these are not classic, beloved characters, that's not why these books have increased. This is pure speculation plain and simple. If you bought the book because you're really into the character it doesn't matter what the "value" becomes. But if you bought to flip, you may be a little late to the party.

 

-J.

 

 

Curious is this raw or slabbed copies? Do you have the numbers to back this up?

 

I realize prices are higher then they should be, but your numbers aren't matching with the numbers I am seeing on ebay. The overpriced copies that are just sitting there are low grade and the same thing can be said with the major keys in your sig line when sellers try to sell books in good condition at vf prices.

 

Certainly. I don't like citing only anecdotal data, but the following are a representative sample of the larger pattern observed, both slabbed and raw:

 

Marvel Preview 7:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Comics-CGC-7-5-Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Appearance-of-Rocket-Raccoon-/121379925894?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c42ceaf86

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1976-Marvel-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-7-0-FN-VF-7-5-VF-Guardians-/201125895043?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed4099b83

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-VF-1st-Rocket-Racoon-Summer-1976-Marvel-/261523854125?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce409532d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-CGC-8-0-WP-1st-App-Rocket-Raccoon-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-NR-/161350134196?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item259137a9b4

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-High-Grade-Solid-9-4-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-/291144874396?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item43c996399c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Rocky-Rocket-Raccoon-VF-8-0-GOTG-W-OW-Guardians-Galaxy-/261474931421?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce11ed2dd

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-7-76-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-CGC-9-0-VFNM-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-/400699575404?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4b8e4c6c

 

Marvel Preview 4:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-0-OFF-WHITE-1ST-STAR-LORD-GUARDIANS-OF-THE-GALAXY-/331263549623?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20d8a0b7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-VF-8-5-FIRST-APPEARANCE-STAR-LORD-WRIGHTSON-INSIDE-COVER-/360993292775?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item540ce081e7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-VF-8-0-1st-origin-Starlord-of-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-movie-/231283855814?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35d99791c6

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-76-This-is-it-High-Grade-CGC-8-5-1st-Star-Lord-GO-FOR-IT-/400740807834?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4e03749a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-1st-Starlord-CGC-9-0-White-Pages-Guardians-of-Galaxy-000788502-/331261298409?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20b646e9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-4-STAR-LORD-GOTG-WHITE-PAGES-1976-/201118188995?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed39405c3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-CGC-8-5-VF-White-Pages-Marvel-1976-1st-appearance-of-Star-Lord-/351086284697?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item51be5f8f99

 

What's interesting is that each book has one ultra high outlier sales price, that has not come close to being repeated. And two of the three sales (between both) books that closed over $700, are fishy ebay transactions that had no feedback left for the seller.

 

That, taken together with the three bogus, shilled auctions going on right now leave no doubt in my mind that these books are pump and dumps, with a real an actual FMV in high grades of around $400, MAYBE $500 on a good day, but once the movie speculation fades, they look to be $300-$400 books to me. Still amazing, all things considered, but no, these are not legitimately four figure books, and nor should they be. we are not exactly talking about classic characters with decades of a large and loyal fan following here.

 

-J.

 

Most if not all these sales took place before any of the reviews came out, see my post.

[Mishmashman]

 

This is not even in the same arena as 70's Star Wars.

I lived the that generation and it was everything.

Guardians of the Galaxy is not even close to the level of Star Wars.

 

I can't say either way bc I haven't seen the film, but you must have bc you sound pretty confident in saying GOTG nowhere close to Star Wars.

[Jaydogrules]

Off the topic of RR, do you guys see Star-Lord books, particularly MP4 going down after the release of GOTG. Just got a high grader for a decent price, and was wondering if the book has any more upside, or if it has peaked. I've heard grumblings that of the GOTG characters, Star-Lord will have the biggest presence in future marvel films, but that could all be bs.

 

Honestly speaking I do not see either of these books being "worth" more than about $400, even in high grade. After extensively studying the eBay data for both books, they are routinely and consistently going for 3-400 in the highest grades. You have one or two crazy high sales, with no feedback left for the seller afterwards. And the over priced buy it now listings are just sitting there with few or no watchers. I am also observing what can only be an attempted pump and dump in a couple of current auctions on both books. Considering both of these books were only recently pulled from total obscurity, that they are going for even 300 or so is awesome. But these are not classic, beloved characters, that's not why these books have increased. This is pure speculation plain and simple. If you bought the book because you're really into the character it doesn't matter what the "value" becomes. But if you bought to flip, you may be a little late to the party.

 

-J.

 

 

Curious is this raw or slabbed copies? Do you have the numbers to back this up?

 

I realize prices are higher then they should be, but your numbers aren't matching with the numbers I am seeing on ebay. The overpriced copies that are just sitting there are low grade and the same thing can be said with the major keys in your sig line when sellers try to sell books in good condition at vf prices.

 

Certainly. I don't like citing only anecdotal data, but the following are a representative sample of the larger pattern observed, both slabbed and raw:

 

Marvel Preview 7:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Comics-CGC-7-5-Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Appearance-of-Rocket-Raccoon-/121379925894?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c42ceaf86

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1976-Marvel-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-7-0-FN-VF-7-5-VF-Guardians-/201125895043?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed4099b83

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-VF-1st-Rocket-Racoon-Summer-1976-Marvel-/261523854125?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce409532d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-CGC-8-0-WP-1st-App-Rocket-Raccoon-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-NR-/161350134196?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item259137a9b4

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-High-Grade-Solid-9-4-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-/291144874396?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item43c996399c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Rocky-Rocket-Raccoon-VF-8-0-GOTG-W-OW-Guardians-Galaxy-/261474931421?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce11ed2dd

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-7-76-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-CGC-9-0-VFNM-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-/400699575404?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4b8e4c6c

 

Marvel Preview 4:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-0-OFF-WHITE-1ST-STAR-LORD-GUARDIANS-OF-THE-GALAXY-/331263549623?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20d8a0b7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-VF-8-5-FIRST-APPEARANCE-STAR-LORD-WRIGHTSON-INSIDE-COVER-/360993292775?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item540ce081e7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-VF-8-0-1st-origin-Starlord-of-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-movie-/231283855814?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35d99791c6

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-76-This-is-it-High-Grade-CGC-8-5-1st-Star-Lord-GO-FOR-IT-/400740807834?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4e03749a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-1st-Starlord-CGC-9-0-White-Pages-Guardians-of-Galaxy-000788502-/331261298409?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20b646e9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-4-STAR-LORD-GOTG-WHITE-PAGES-1976-/201118188995?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed39405c3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-CGC-8-5-VF-White-Pages-Marvel-1976-1st-appearance-of-Star-Lord-/351086284697?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item51be5f8f99

 

What's interesting is that each book has one ultra high outlier sales price, that has not come close to being repeated. And two of the three sales (between both) books that closed over $700, are fishy ebay transactions that had no feedback left for the seller.

 

That, taken together with the three bogus, shilled auctions going on right now leave no doubt in my mind that these books are pump and dumps, with a real an actual FMV in high grades of around $400, MAYBE $500 on a good day, but once the movie speculation fades, they look to be $300-$400 books to me. Still amazing, all things considered, but no, these are not legitimately four figure books, and nor should they be. we are not exactly talking about classic characters with decades of a large and loyal fan following here.

 

-J.

 

Most if not all these sales took place before any of the reviews came out, see my post.

 

I genuinely feel for your friend who paid that for the MP 7. I'm assuming he really, really loves the character. But that doesn't change the fact that it is the extreme of extremes of an outlier sale, and the that three current auctions now are being shilled, in addition to the recently closed sales that I took the time to cull for you. I do not believe that the "sky is the limit" on these books. I can certainly appreciate and respect your enthusiasm, but you should also have enough objectivity to know that this rampant speculation and obvious attempt at pump and dump auctions, are all solely because of the movie. If the movie is great, it's a win for everybody. But I think the most you should hope for an entertaining, financially successful movie to do at this point is put somewhat of a floor underneath the prices of these books.

 

-J.

[metallickyrulz]

Off the topic of RR, do you guys see Star-Lord books, particularly MP4 going down after the release of GOTG. Just got a high grader for a decent price, and was wondering if the book has any more upside, or if it has peaked. I've heard grumblings that of the GOTG characters, Star-Lord will have the biggest presence in future marvel films, but that could all be bs.

 

Honestly speaking I do not see either of these books being "worth" more than about $400, even in high grade. After extensively studying the eBay data for both books, they are routinely and consistently going for 3-400 in the highest grades. You have one or two crazy high sales, with no feedback left for the seller afterwards. And the over priced buy it now listings are just sitting there with few or no watchers. I am also observing what can only be an attempted pump and dump in a couple of current auctions on both books. Considering both of these books were only recently pulled from total obscurity, that they are going for even 300 or so is awesome. But these are not classic, beloved characters, that's not why these books have increased. This is pure speculation plain and simple. If you bought the book because you're really into the character it doesn't matter what the "value" becomes. But if you bought to flip, you may be a little late to the party.

 

-J.

 

 

Curious is this raw or slabbed copies? Do you have the numbers to back this up?

 

I realize prices are higher then they should be, but your numbers aren't matching with the numbers I am seeing on ebay. The overpriced copies that are just sitting there are low grade and the same thing can be said with the major keys in your sig line when sellers try to sell books in good condition at vf prices.

 

Certainly. I don't like citing only anecdotal data, but the following are a representative sample of the larger pattern observed, both slabbed and raw:

 

Marvel Preview 7:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Comics-CGC-7-5-Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Appearance-of-Rocket-Raccoon-/121379925894?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c42ceaf86

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1976-Marvel-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-7-0-FN-VF-7-5-VF-Guardians-/201125895043?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed4099b83

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-VF-1st-Rocket-Racoon-Summer-1976-Marvel-/261523854125?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce409532d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-CGC-8-0-WP-1st-App-Rocket-Raccoon-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-NR-/161350134196?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item259137a9b4

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-High-Grade-Solid-9-4-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-/291144874396?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item43c996399c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Rocky-Rocket-Raccoon-VF-8-0-GOTG-W-OW-Guardians-Galaxy-/261474931421?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce11ed2dd

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-7-76-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-CGC-9-0-VFNM-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-/400699575404?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4b8e4c6c

 

Marvel Preview 4:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-0-OFF-WHITE-1ST-STAR-LORD-GUARDIANS-OF-THE-GALAXY-/331263549623?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20d8a0b7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-VF-8-5-FIRST-APPEARANCE-STAR-LORD-WRIGHTSON-INSIDE-COVER-/360993292775?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item540ce081e7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-VF-8-0-1st-origin-Starlord-of-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-movie-/231283855814?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35d99791c6

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-76-This-is-it-High-Grade-CGC-8-5-1st-Star-Lord-GO-FOR-IT-/400740807834?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4e03749a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-1st-Starlord-CGC-9-0-White-Pages-Guardians-of-Galaxy-000788502-/331261298409?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20b646e9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-4-STAR-LORD-GOTG-WHITE-PAGES-1976-/201118188995?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed39405c3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-CGC-8-5-VF-White-Pages-Marvel-1976-1st-appearance-of-Star-Lord-/351086284697?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item51be5f8f99

 

What's interesting is that each book has one ultra high outlier sales price, that has not come close to being repeated. And two of the three sales (between both) books that closed over $700, are fishy ebay transactions that had no feedback left for the seller.

 

That, taken together with the three bogus, shilled auctions going on right now leave no doubt in my mind that these books are pump and dumps, with a real an actual FMV in high grades of around $400, MAYBE $500 on a good day, but once the movie speculation fades, they look to be $300-$400 books to me. Still amazing, all things considered, but no, these are not legitimately four figure books, and nor should they be. we are not exactly talking about classic characters with decades of a large and loyal fan following here.

 

-J.

 

Most if not all these sales took place before any of the reviews came out, see my post.

 

I genuinely feel for your friend who paid that for the MP 7. I'm assuming he really, really loves the character. But that doesn't change the fact that it is the extreme of extremes of an outlier sale, and the that three current auctions now are being shilled, in addition to the recently closed sales that I took the time to cull for you. I do not believe that the "sky is the limit" on these books. I can certainly appreciate and respect your enthusiasm, but you should also have enough objectivity to know that this rampant speculation and obvious attempt at pump and dump auctions, are all solely because of the movie. If the movie is great, it's a win for everybody. But I think the most you should hope for an entertaining, financially successful movie to do at this point is put somewhat of a floor underneath the prices of these books.

 

-J.

 

I remember that people were warning me against buying an Avengers 1 a few years ago in mid grade for $300. They were telling me that it's nobody's first appearance, is just a random silver age book, and that I should stay away. They predicted that the book would see a spike before the Avengers movie, then stop being hot, because, like they said, it's not a huge first appearance book. That same copy is now all of a sudden one of the more sought after keys it seems. I think movies (especially good ones) just take the books into that next level where they become blue chippers and gradually increase, because people will always want them. I don't know if a book like Tomb of Dracula 10, Amazing Spider-man 129, and some others would really be in the four figures without any movie-hype behind them.

 

Call it bandwagon mentality, but it seems that once heroes (not necessary villains who definitely to not retain value as well) are put on the big screen, they are put into that level of desirable books for the long run. I doubt GOTG will come out, and in 6 months time, Star-Lord will be forgotten about. Heck, have they done anything with the Punisher or Blade recently? I think movies=money. Even if it's a stupid Raccoon. I'm a big fan of 4 dumb turtles named after artists. I personally believe the books will keep going up well, especially if GOTG is a hit and they make a sequel or more appearances in the universe.

[Jaydogrules]

Off the topic of RR, do you guys see Star-Lord books, particularly MP4 going down after the release of GOTG. Just got a high grader for a decent price, and was wondering if the book has any more upside, or if it has peaked. I've heard grumblings that of the GOTG characters, Star-Lord will have the biggest presence in future marvel films, but that could all be bs.

 

Honestly speaking I do not see either of these books being "worth" more than about $400, even in high grade. After extensively studying the eBay data for both books, they are routinely and consistently going for 3-400 in the highest grades. You have one or two crazy high sales, with no feedback left for the seller afterwards. And the over priced buy it now listings are just sitting there with few or no watchers. I am also observing what can only be an attempted pump and dump in a couple of current auctions on both books. Considering both of these books were only recently pulled from total obscurity, that they are going for even 300 or so is awesome. But these are not classic, beloved characters, that's not why these books have increased. This is pure speculation plain and simple. If you bought the book because you're really into the character it doesn't matter what the "value" becomes. But if you bought to flip, you may be a little late to the party.

 

-J.

 

 

Curious is this raw or slabbed copies? Do you have the numbers to back this up?

 

I realize prices are higher then they should be, but your numbers aren't matching with the numbers I am seeing on ebay. The overpriced copies that are just sitting there are low grade and the same thing can be said with the major keys in your sig line when sellers try to sell books in good condition at vf prices.

 

Certainly. I don't like citing only anecdotal data, but the following are a representative sample of the larger pattern observed, both slabbed and raw:

 

Marvel Preview 7:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Comics-CGC-7-5-Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Appearance-of-Rocket-Raccoon-/121379925894?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c42ceaf86

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1976-Marvel-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-7-0-FN-VF-7-5-VF-Guardians-/201125895043?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed4099b83

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-VF-1st-Rocket-Racoon-Summer-1976-Marvel-/261523854125?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce409532d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-CGC-8-0-WP-1st-App-Rocket-Raccoon-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-NR-/161350134196?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item259137a9b4

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-High-Grade-Solid-9-4-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-/291144874396?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item43c996399c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-7-1st-Rocky-Rocket-Raccoon-VF-8-0-GOTG-W-OW-Guardians-Galaxy-/261474931421?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3ce11ed2dd

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-7-76-1st-Rocket-Raccoon-CGC-9-0-VFNM-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-/400699575404?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4b8e4c6c

 

Marvel Preview 4:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-0-OFF-WHITE-1ST-STAR-LORD-GUARDIANS-OF-THE-GALAXY-/331263549623?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20d8a0b7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-VF-8-5-FIRST-APPEARANCE-STAR-LORD-WRIGHTSON-INSIDE-COVER-/360993292775?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item540ce081e7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-VF-8-0-1st-origin-Starlord-of-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-movie-/231283855814?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35d99791c6

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-76-This-is-it-High-Grade-CGC-8-5-1st-Star-Lord-GO-FOR-IT-/400740807834?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item5d4e03749a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-1st-Starlord-CGC-9-0-White-Pages-Guardians-of-Galaxy-000788502-/331261298409?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d20b646e9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-PREVIEW-4-CGC-9-4-STAR-LORD-GOTG-WHITE-PAGES-1976-/201118188995?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ed39405c3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvel-Preview-4-CGC-8-5-VF-White-Pages-Marvel-1976-1st-appearance-of-Star-Lord-/351086284697?pt=US_Comic_Magazines&hash=item51be5f8f99

 

What's interesting is that each book has one ultra high outlier sales price, that has not come close to being repeated. And two of the three sales (between both) books that closed over $700, are fishy ebay transactions that had no feedback left for the seller.

 

That, taken together with the three bogus, shilled auctions going on right now leave no doubt in my mind that these books are pump and dumps, with a real an actual FMV in high grades of around $400, MAYBE $500 on a good day, but once the movie speculation fades, they look to be $300-$400 books to me. Still amazing, all things considered, but no, these are not legitimately four figure books, and nor should they be. we are not exactly talking about classic characters with decades of a large and loyal fan following here.

 

-J.

 

Most if not all these sales took place before any of the reviews came out, see my post.

 

I genuinely feel for your friend who paid that for the MP 7. I'm assuming he really, really loves the character. But that doesn't change the fact that it is the extreme of extremes of an outlier sale, and the that three current auctions now are being shilled, in addition to the recently closed sales that I took the time to cull for you. I do not believe that the "sky is the limit" on these books. I can certainly appreciate and respect your enthusiasm, but you should also have enough objectivity to know that this rampant speculation and obvious attempt at pump and dump auctions, are all solely because of the movie. If the movie is great, it's a win for everybody. But I think the most you should hope for an entertaining, financially successful movie to do at this point is put somewhat of a floor underneath the prices of these books.

 

-J.

 

I remember that people were warning me against buying an Avengers 1 a few years ago in mid grade for $300. They were telling me that it's nobody's first appearance, is just a random silver age book, and that I should stay away. They predicted that the book would see a spike before the Avengers movie, then stop being hot, because, like they said, it's not a huge first appearance book. That same copy is now all of a sudden one of the more sought after keys it seems. I think movies (especially good ones) just take the books into that next level where they become blue chippers and gradually increase, because people will always want them. I don't know if a book like Tomb of Dracula 10, Amazing Spider-man 129, and some others would really be in the four figures without any movie-hype behind them.

 

Call it bandwagon mentality, but it seems that once heroes (not necessary villains who definitely to not retain value as well) are put on the big screen, they are put into that level of desirable books for the long run. I doubt GOTG will come out, and in 6 months time, Star-Lord will be forgotten about. Heck, have they done anything with the Punisher or Blade recently? I think movies=money. Even if it's a stupid Raccoon. I'm a big fan of 4 dumb turtles named after artists. I personally believe the books will keep going up well, especially if GOTG is a hit and they make a sequel or more appearances in the universe.

 

The first appearance of Blade isn't worth much now, and the first appearance of Punisher has always been a highly valued, sought after book, way before he was in any movie.

 

The exact reverse is true for these characters. Their "popularity" is almost solely tied to this movie. Again, I'm not saying it's bad for the hobby, it isn't. But a little objectivity must be there so you don't lose your shirt on a book.

 

-J.

[Mishmashman]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

[Jaydogrules]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

 

I stated the basis for my conclusion that the auctions were being shilled in an earlier post. And they are. And what you describe as "people wanting to be ahead of the curve" is the very definition of the term "SPECULATION".

 

-J.

[BrianR]

This one is a cr@ppy 8.0

 

link taken from Jaydogrules's list

 

The winner of that Auction is trying to sell it for 699.00 now

[Mishmashman]

The first appearance of Blade isn't worth much now, and the first appearance of Punisher has always been a highly valued, sought after book, way before he was in any movie.

 

The exact reverse is true for these characters. Their "popularity" is almost solely tied to this movie. Again, I'm not saying it's bad for the hobby, it isn't. But a little objectivity must be there so you don't lose your shirt on a book.

 

And this makes the book overhyped why? Because it doesn't fit in your rubric of what a key is?

[Mishmashman]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

 

I stated the basis for my conclusion that the auctions were being shilled in an earlier post. And they are. And what you describe as "people wanting to be ahead of the curve" is the very definition of the term "SPECULATION".

 

-J.

 

Again, you still haven't said how you know these auctions are being shilled. Are you shilling them or know who is? And speculation is wrong or bad bc....?

[Jaydogrules]

The first appearance of Blade isn't worth much now, and the first appearance of Punisher has always been a highly valued, sought after book, way before he was in any movie.

 

The exact reverse is true for these characters. Their "popularity" is almost solely tied to this movie. Again, I'm not saying it's bad for the hobby, it isn't. But a little objectivity must be there so you don't lose your shirt on a book.

 

And this makes the book overhyped why? Because it doesn't fit in your rubric of what a key is?

 

Take it easy, a "key" is whatever you want to have in your collection. If we are talking "investment" book however, no, these would not be on my list. But to each his own. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

 

I stated the basis for my conclusion that the auctions were being shilled in an earlier post. And they are. And what you describe as "people wanting to be ahead of the curve" is the very definition of the term "SPECULATION".

 

-J.

 

Again, you still haven't said how you know these auctions are being shilled. Are you shilling them or know who is? And speculation is wrong or bad bc....?

 

I stated in an earlier post, that THE SAME LOW FEEDBACK BUYER (5, to be exact) was magically and mysteriously the "high bidder" on three auctions for both of these books in at least three different auctions..... the ONLY auctions where the bids were more than just a few hundred dollars.

 

-J.

[Mishmashman]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

 

I stated the basis for my conclusion that the auctions were being shilled in an earlier post. And they are. And what you describe as "people wanting to be ahead of the curve" is the very definition of the term "SPECULATION".

 

-J.

 

 

Again, you still haven't said how you know these auctions are being shilled. Are you shilling them or know who is? And speculation is wrong or bad bc....?

 

I stated in an earlier post, that THE SAME LOW FEEDBACK BUYER (5, to be exact) was magically and mysteriously the "high bidder" on three auctions for both of these books in at least three different auctions..... the ONLY auctions where the bids were more than just a few hundred dollars.

 

-J.

 

This is not an explanation. It is speculation. Another possible reason is it's a new user trying to buy high grade copies of both books. Maybe he's a GOTG fan. Not everyone with low feedback is a shiller.

[Jaydogrules]

This one is a cr@ppy 8.0

 

link taken from Jaydogrules's list

 

The winner of that Auction is trying to sell it for 699.00 now

 

pump and dump.....

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

Cool it with these sweeping assumptions. How do you know these auctions are being shilled? Do you know the person doing it? Are you doing it? Are you running the auctions? And why would I know that this is a pump and dump due to movie hype? Couldn't the reason for the run up be also be that people want to what they perceive as being ahead of the curve now that GOTG and it's cast of characters appear likely to be pop culture fixtures? Maybe people are now realizing just how rare in grade MP7 and MP4 are. Phenomena we witness in the world often have multiple explanations. Not everything can be explained simply or for only one reason.

 

It's incredible how certain some boardies feel that this book is overhyped. I have yet to hear a single rational, irrefutable basis for this sentiment.

 

I stated the basis for my conclusion that the auctions were being shilled in an earlier post. And they are. And what you describe as "people wanting to be ahead of the curve" is the very definition of the term "SPECULATION".

 

-J.

 

 

Again, you still haven't said how you know these auctions are being shilled. Are you shilling them or know who is? And speculation is wrong or bad bc....?

 

I stated in an earlier post, that THE SAME LOW FEEDBACK BUYER (5, to be exact) was magically and mysteriously the "high bidder" on three auctions for both of these books in at least three different auctions..... the ONLY auctions where the bids were more than just a few hundred dollars.

 

-J.

 

This is not an explanation. It's an assumption.

 

Since when do we give such obviously fishy auction shenanigans on ebay like that the "benefit of the doubt"? (Rhetorical question, really)

 

-J.

[Mishmashman]

I'm still waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to my proffered explanation that it might not be a shill.

[Jaydogrules]

I'm still waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to my proffered explanation that it might not be a shill.

 

I explained the basis of my conclusion. You are free to disagree with that, but it doesn't change the fishiness of the evidence itself. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

I'm still waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to my proffered explanation that it might not be a shill.

 

Shills. e**e(3), and e**a (5).

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=360999724568&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

 

If I was the buyer of this book I would be extremely P.O.'d, and I would contact the seller and tell him that if he did not accept the last REAL bid as a final sales price for the item, I will cancel the deal and report him to ebay.

 

There are still two more shilled auctions going on with these books right now, so buyer beware.

 

-J.

[Mishmashman]

I'm still waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to my proffered explanation that it might not be a shill.

 

Shills. e**e(3), and e**a (5).

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=360999724568&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

 

If I was the buyer of this book I would be extremely P.O.'d, and I would contact the seller and tell him that if he did not accept the last REAL bid as a final sales price for the item, I will cancel the deal and report him to ebay.

 

There are still two more shilled auctions going on with these books right now, so buyer beware.

 

-J.

 

I misread your post that auction I agree is suspect.

[Jaydogrules]

I'm still waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to my proffered explanation that it might not be a shill.

 

Shills. e**e(3), and e**a (5).

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=360999724568&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

 

If I was the buyer of this book I would be extremely P.O.'d, and I would contact the seller and tell him that if he did not accept the last REAL bid as a final sales price for the item, I will cancel the deal and report him to ebay.

 

There are still two more shilled auctions going on with these books right now, so buyer beware.

 

-J.

 

I misread your post that auction I agree is suspect.

 

The same two shills are participating in another two auctions for these same two books too....

 

I know, I know.....I have waaaaaaaaay too much time on my hands.

 

-J.