Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice movie thread for your reading pleasure 2 2

[mrwoogieman]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

[Gatsby77]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

[drotto]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

 

Would WB hire a no name guy to run its DC movie universe? This guy seems to get it.

[thunsicker]

Another good one from Cracked. I especially like #1.

 

#1. They Don't Understand Why Superman Is Important

 

Remember when Snyder directed Watchmen? That at least made some sense. Snyder does bleak films, and Watchmen was supposed to be a cynical look at the limits of superheroes in the real world. But then they unleashed Snyder on Man of Steel, and that's how we ended up with a bunch of "realistic" gobbledygook about interplanetary genocide.

 

So now that they've got Snyder determining the general tone of all the film versions of their superheroes, DC's doubling down on the dark-n-gritty. This may work for Batman, but this will kill Superman faster than a Kryptonite enema. Take a look at this screenshot from Superman: The Animated Series, which ran from 1996 to 2000:

 

 

The series is colorful and optimistic because Superman is an inherently optimistic character. Superman's always been the everyman people's champion who can do anything and right any wrong while never stooping to the bad guys' level. His earliest nemeses were corrupt public officials and landlords. (And let's not forget that his archenemy, Lex Luthor, is an evil CEO.)

 

And when you embrace this characterization of Superman, it's not impossible to have the hero address serious issues. Here's one of the greatest Superman moments of all time. It's a perfect, self-contained scene from Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's 2005 comic book series, All-Star Superman:

 

 

You couldn't spare one minute of this from the 90 minutes set aside for destruction porn?

 

Superman is the ultimate aspirational hero we wish we could have and could be. And without further ado, Snyder's opinion of that particular line of thought:

 

I think that, honestly, the thing I was surprised about in response to Superman was how everyone clings to the Christopher Reeve version of Superman, you know? How tightly they cling to those ideas ... I really wanted to show the violence is real, people get killed or get hurt, and it's not fun or funny. And I guess for me, it was like I wanted a hero in Superman that was a real hero and sort of reflected the world we live in now.

 

Yup, Snyder noticed that Americans love the idealized, heroic Superman, and his response is to give us the exact opposite thing. He actually said that Superman is not supposed to be fun.

 

By the way, Superman killing Zod? That was Snyder's idea too.

 

Look, we already have enough harrowing mess in our lives. America is one of the most depressed nations on the planet. And DC Comics, we don't need you invoking 9/11 in a Superman film. We need a dose of optimism, and you need to stop getting your asses handed to you by a raccoon nobody knew the name of three months ago.

 

 

[Bosco685]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

 

The Nolan trilogy was just something pulled out of his versus a series of interesting movies? Batman Begins is a fantastic movie, as is The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight Rises felt a little like it reached too high at times. But it is still a very entertaining movie.

[SkunkApe]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

 

The Nolan trilogy was just something pulled out of his versus a series of interesting movies? Batman Begins is a fantastic movie, as is The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight Rises felt a little like it reached too high at times. But it is still a very entertaining movie.

 

 

I feel like people are pulling things out of their just to find something to hate on BvS about.

[revat]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

 

The Nolan trilogy was just something pulled out of his versus a series of interesting movies? Batman Begins is a fantastic movie, as is The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight Rises felt a little like it reached too high at times. But it is still a very entertaining movie.

 

 

I feel like people are pulling things out of their just to find something to hate on BvS about.

 

yah, I think there's just so many potential things to dislike, everyone can find something different. Its a veritable smorgasboard (sp?).

 

 

[mrwoogieman]

Cracked.com has an article comparing the Marvel and DC universes up to now, featuring BvS prominently in the article naturally:

 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/

 

 

OMG, that author is spot on, esp. re. the need for a dark horror version of Swamp Thing & a light-hearted Aquaman.

 

And he does not mince words. Witness the 2nd & third sentence:

 

"They pulled (the Nolan) trilogy out of their and then had the unmitigated gall to release Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice afterward. That would be like Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel one week and then painting a giant on the side of a bus the next week. Sure, you think the is amusing, but it's not of the same caliber."

 

The Nolan trilogy was just something pulled out of his versus a series of interesting movies? Batman Begins is a fantastic movie, as is The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight Rises felt a little like it reached too high at times. But it is still a very entertaining movie.

 

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

[Bosco685]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Of course before now DC didn't have a plan. Neither did Marvel before Feige came along to deliver something that neither company was hitting on. The guy changed the game for the better. It's a shame DC/Warner didn't pick up on it sooner. Then maybe we would have been spared Catwoman and Steel.

 

But behind all this feels to be folks just bashing on the movie again, like it was a flop. Like has been stated a few times, this is Man of Steel revisited.

[mrwoogieman]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Lawyers - stating the obvious since 5,000 BC.

[revat]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Lawyers - stating the obvious since 5,000 BC.

 

at $600/hr

[Batman]

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

[Gatsby77]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Of course before now DC didn't have a plan. Neither did Marvel before Feige came along to deliver something that neither company was hitting on. The guy changed the game for the better. It's a shame DC/Warner didn't pick up on it sooner. Then maybe we would have been spared Catwoman and Steel.

 

But behind all this feels to be folks just bashing on the movie again, like it was a flop. Like has been stated a few times, this is Man of Steel revisited.

 

But again, the dude's not wrong in how Marvel started small and experimental (with an R-rated Blade movie) and went from there.

 

And how DC could follow the same template by distributing a few minor characters among different studios and directors before bringing them organically into a whole.

 

And (as he notes) to take Batman entirely off the schedule until at least 2022 or so.

 

As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, part of the reason Marvel's universe-building works is because they had to work around the lack of rights to Spider-Man and X-Men, giving them room to elevate Iron Man & Captain America to A-List status.

 

Thus, DC should take from this and ignore both Superman and Batman for awhile, holding them in reserve as they build fan support around supporting characters.

 

Instead, the lesson they take from BvS's disappointing reception?

 

a) Fast-track Batman # 10; and

b) Re-shoot swaths of Suicide Squad to make it more like Deadpool

 

Thank goodness they at least announced the Green Lantern Corps movie will feature Hal, John and Kyle. That's a start...

[revat]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Of course before now DC didn't have a plan. Neither did Marvel before Feige came along to deliver something that neither company was hitting on. The guy changed the game for the better. It's a shame DC/Warner didn't pick up on it sooner. Then maybe we would have been spared Catwoman and Steel.

 

But behind all this feels to be folks just bashing on the movie again, like it was a flop. Like has been stated a few times, this is Man of Steel revisited.

 

But again, the dude's not wrong in how Marvel started small and experimental (with an R-rated Blade movie) and went from there.

 

And how DC could follow the same template by distributing a few minor characters among different studios and directors before bringing them organically into a whole.

 

And (as he notes) to take Batman entirely off the schedule until at least 2022 or so.

 

As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, part of the reason Marvel's universe-building works is because they had to work around the lack of rights to Spider-Man and X-Men, giving them room to elevate Iron Man & Captain America to A-List status.

 

Thus, DC should take from this and ignore both Superman and Batman for awhile, holding them in reserve as they build fan support around supporting characters.

 

Instead, the lesson they take from BvS's disappointing reception?

 

a) Fast-track Batman # 10; and

b) Re-shoot swaths of Suicide Squad to make it more like Deadpool

 

Thank goodness they at least announced the Green Lantern Corps movie will feature Hal, John and Kyle. That's a start...

 

or its a chance to ruin all 3 GL's at the same time. Not saying that will happen, but its certainly a risk.

[Bosco685]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Lawyers - stating the obvious since 5,000 BC.

 

We should find a few of those and make them dress up in costumes for the movies.

 

[Bosco685]

But again, the dude's not wrong in how Marvel started small and experimental (with an R-rated Blade movie) and went from there.

 

And how DC could follow the same template by distributing a few minor characters among different studios and directors before bringing them organically into a whole.

 

And (as he notes) to take Batman entirely off the schedule until at least 2022 or so.

 

As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, part of the reason Marvel's universe-building works is because they had to work around the lack of rights to Spider-Man and X-Men, giving them room to elevate Iron Man & Captain America to A-List status.

 

Thus, DC should take from this and ignore both Superman and Batman for awhile, holding them in reserve as they build fan support around supporting characters.

 

Instead, the lesson they take from BvS's disappointing reception?

 

a) Fast-track Batman # 10; and

b) Re-shoot swaths of Suicide Squad to make it more like Deadpool

 

Thank goodness they at least announced the Green Lantern Corps movie will feature Hal, John and Kyle. That's a start...

 

Although I am all for hearing out different ideas, I'm reading the same pattern with this thought process.

 

- DC isn't doing it like Marvel - must be wrong: BvS is really the first shared universe movie out of the gate; MoS only hinted at it - give them a few movies with the new approach.

 

- Suicide Squad is trying to be Deadpool: Anyone have real facts this is what is going on? Or is it Warner limited David Ayer early on, and now realized they should cut the cord a little and let him do what he does.

 

- Blade was not part of some roadmap somewhere that Marvel had planned the entire time. If there was a roadmap, do you think they would have sold off the rights to all those characters?

 

I take this to be more fan excitement than anything else, and wanting these movies done right, and right-now. I can appreciate that. But there is more than one way to roll this universe out. Marvel did it right - finally. But it was an approach - not the only approach.

 

 

[Bosco685]

Final weekend numbers.

 

 

 

[valiantman]

1. It's a humor article on a humor website.

2. In the very next sentence he compares the trilogy to the Sistine Chapel.

 

His point, I believe, is that DC "got lucky" that Nolan was in charge of the Batman films and that they ultimately turned into a highly regarded trilogy of films, not that it was the fruition of some grand plan of DC's, as evidenced by their following it up with the sour note that was BvS and probably Suicide Squad and the rest of the line up to come.

 

 

Where's the 'well duhhhh' emoticon when you need it?

 

 

Lawyers - stating the obvious since 5,000 BC.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you." -Cirroc, Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer

[Bosco685]

[Davenport]

Another good one from Cracked. I especially like #1.

#1. They Don't Understand Why Superman Is Important

 

So now that they've got Snyder determining the general tone of all the film versions of their superheroes, DC's doubling down on the dark-n-gritty. This may work for Batman, but this will kill Superman faster than a Kryptonite enema.

I'm a huge fan of 'Superman: The Animated Series' and think this writer couldn't be more wrong.

 

What really drives me nuts is judging THIS Superman when it's only getting started. MOS was about revealing himself and SAVING THE ENTIRE PLANET. 'Batman v Superman' begins 18 MONTHS after that.

 

So it's like reading a Prelude and Chapter 1, then concluding a novel sucks because it's nothing like 'See Spot Run' you grew up with.

 

People know very little about this Superman so far. His character is developing, the beginning stages of who he'll become, and he's been at it a whopping two whole years on earth.