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Ive lost ALL confidence in CGC - UPDATE on page 221
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RockMyAmadeus

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there was one hitman called the "Iceman' who would go in a bar and spill his drink on victim. There's a chemical which pulls any solute into the bloodstream....solutes like Cyanide.....

 

They made a decent movie about it.

Disturbing because it was true!

 

The%2BIceman%2BTeaser%2BPoster.jpg

Thats the dude-havent seen the movie did he do the drink thing in it?

Classic sociopath BTW. Ps sociopath does not necessarily mean criminal. You could be living with a sociopath and not know it. Here's a test-ask them:

A woman goes to her father's funeral and meets the man of her dreams her soul mate. But he leaves before she can get his number.

A week later she murders her sister. Why do you think she did that?

 

Does that fact that I don't know the answer to this question mean I am relatively normal or that I am a sociopath?

 

Conversely, does the fact that I do know the answer mean I am a sociopath?

 

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/sister.asp

 

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DeadpoolJr.

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there was one hitman called the "Iceman' who would go in a bar and spill his drink on victim. There's a chemical which pulls any solute into the bloodstream....solutes like Cyanide.....

 

They made a decent movie about it.

Disturbing because it was true!

 

The%2BIceman%2BTeaser%2BPoster.jpg

 

I liked the movie, Michael Shannon was great, but take the story with a grain of salt. The guy was a psychopath and a murderer, but if you read up on him, it's pretty clear he highly embellished his story.

It was creepy watching that movie since I live around there, I remember being told by my high school shop teacher that one of his cousins was a friend of one his daughters, and would actually hangout with her in his house, thinking back that most be terrifying. :eek:
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porcupine48

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I too have not read this entire thread but I get the jist of it.

 

Would it be more conducive to discretely "tattoo" the interior of the book with the CGC number to prevent this kind of fiasco? I think it would certainly prevent the books from going through the resubmittal and screwing up the census.

 

 

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book.

 

THEY BETTER NOT.

I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won.

If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it

If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded.

 

At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this!

That the book was previously means squat.

The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals

So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade??????????????????????

But sometimes people bust books out for other reasons.years ago I broke out my ST 110 because I wanted to read it,smell it ect...Since then I have upgraded,this time with a raw book.with the prices going nuts I may one day(shudder) trade my old copy for something.said person who gets this book(with the old label label saved for them) may very well re submit...I take great care of my comics,but cannot guarantee it was not damaged at all....the tattooing idea leaves a terrible taste in my mouth.

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conditionfreak

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I would expect otherwise. Something like a public statement that "We are in contact with all parties involved, and we are working on a solution. We are also ascertaining where the screw up occurred, so that measures can be taken to avoid a similar situation in the future".

 

Time will tell.

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Spider-Dan

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

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ChasingKingKirby

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

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conditionfreak

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

An attempt o get the book returned for "correction or re-evaluation", obviously.

 

Wouldn't be a need to discuss things with Spider Dan, if the book is actually determined to be trimmed.

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tjanse

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

An attempt o get the book returned for "correction or re-evaluation", obviously.

 

No way that book ends up back in cgc hands. If it does a month later they probably won't recognize the book.

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ChasingKingKirby

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

An attempt o get the book returned for "correction or re-evaluation", obviously.

 

They've already done that, remember? "Everyone" agreed that it was trimmed... Until it wasn't...

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maloney414

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

They already came to an agreement with Spider-Dan. (thumbs u

 

So it makes sense to be dealing with the new buyer.

 

I suspect they will offer to replace the book with another book for the buyer. To get the book off the market. I highly doubt they will offer to buy it. Just my hunch. 2c

 

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ChasingKingKirby

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

They already came to an agreement with him. (thumbs u

 

So it makes sense to be dealing with the new buyer.

 

I suspect they will offer to replace the book with another book for the buyer. To get the book off the market. I highly doubt they will offer to buy it. Just my hunch. 2c

 

I doubt they made Dan whole for a JIM 83 6.0. But maybe...

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Quicksilver Signs

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

They already came to an agreement with him. (thumbs u

 

So it makes sense to be dealing with the new buyer.

 

I suspect they will offer to replace the book with another book for the buyer. To get the book off the market. I highly doubt they will offer to buy it. Just my hunch. 2c

 

Do you really think CGC will eat the cost of that book by replacing it? Not a chance, and why do people think this book needs to be "taken off the market" ? It's a great book with or without trimming.

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maloney414

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Really hoping we get an update from the OP on this today...

 

I haven't heard a peep :taptaptap:

 

I don't really expect to

 

I think CGC will address this in public, not via PM with you.

 

CGC is in discussions with the buyer :gossip:

 

I don't understand why they aren't in discussions with YOU. You're the guy that got hosed...

 

They already came to an agreement with him. (thumbs u

 

So it makes sense to be dealing with the new buyer.

 

I suspect they will offer to replace the book with another book for the buyer. To get the book off the market. I highly doubt they will offer to buy it. Just my hunch. 2c

 

I doubt they made Dan whole for a JIM 83 6.0. But maybe...

 

They came to an agreement. The details were kept private.

 

From the last thread:

 

Before I read all this is the resolution gonna be hush hush and the thread die like last time?

 

Starting a thread and person_without_enough_empathying about something then not providing any details on how it was resolved off thread is BS. If everything is on the up and up telling the whole truth should be a problem.

 

 

Last time, it was enough that the wronged party (Spider-Dan) simply said they reached a reasonable resolution. However, at this point I agree that it should be in the open. It's become a thing. 2c

 

 

To those of you mentioning what CGC should do for Spider-Dan, the answer may be nothing at all. Last time they did something. Neither he nor CGC shared with us, but they made an arrangement off boards (see #7 below).

 

 

Here is the re-cap from the last thread:

 

This has been an educational thread, but it's really long so I think it's time for a recap:

 

1.) Spider-Dan buys slabbed books in blue labels.

 

2.) Cracks them out and sends them in for regarding.

 

3.) Results are:

- Avengers 1 Blue CGC 7.0 comes back Purple CGC 6.0 (Color Touched)

- JIM book Blue CGC 6.0 comes back Purple CGC 7.0 (Trimmed)

 

3.) Other boardies post here in the thread they have had restoration mistakes as well. Some comment that it has happened several times to them:

 

- VintageComics (page 2)

- Gambit (page 11)

- Lord Rahl (page 11)

- Namisgr (Page 23)

- Bleuhawaii (page 24)

- Spider-Dan comments it happened once before on a GA Batman (page 33)

 

Click on spoiler tag to read their actual comments:

 

 

It rarely happens but it does happen. It's happened to me.

 

 

Happened to me once before on a big money book.. I was pretty upset, but took the loss and re sold the book as is (Purple resto label).. When it happens is usually very minor color touch that some how slipped through the cracks, however the trimmed part is what scares me!.. that should never "slip" through! and id be irate if it did! (IMO the worse type of resto out there is trimmed books!)

 

rantrant

 

The trimmed one could be a false positive. I had a copy of Iron Man Sub Mariner 1 that I bought from the original owner several years ago. It came back 9.6 Trimmed. Now I knew for a fact that the book was not trimmed but it did have a funky cut. So I sent it back and it came back a 9.6 Blue. Especially with trimming, it can be tricky and no one can catch it 100% of the time. Other times, you can jump at shadows.

 

The CT baffles me though. That should have been caught the first time.

 

Either way, sorry that happened, expensive books to have it happen to. And 2 at the same time :pullhair:

 

I read through this but now can't find the questions. But I think this is the answer.

 

Namisgr had an ASM 129 that he purchased off the newsstand. He submitted the book 3-4 times, and the last time it came back PLOD with CT.

 

I remember this but I don't recall him submitting it 3 - 4 times. I just thought it was his personal raw copy, bought off the stands, and it came back 1st time as PLOD.

 

It was the ASM #121 I bought off the rack. It was graded 'right edge trimmed'. (My ASM #129 came back 9.6 blue label ;) )

 

It's not the only comic I've had graded where the restoration and trimming assessments were botched. In the early days of CGC, I cracked all of my slabbed purchases out, only to resubmit them years later for purposes of selling them. A couple of those changed label colors upon regrading.

 

Bottom line? CGC does the best job that they can with detecting restoration and trimming, but they are not infallable and make mistakes. Given that they make mistakes, any resubmission of a blue label comic runs the risk of changing label color upon regrading. Either the first or the second grading could be the accurate one.

 

Not to muddy the waters even further but this has happened to me as well. I resubbed my resub and it went from EXTENSIVE resto to MODERATE. I didn't get the graders notes from the first time so I don't know what the difference was.

 

Lets clear a few things up...

As I stated earlier in this thread, I did have this happen once before, a Batman went from Blue to Purple. It was implied that GA are held to different grading standard. So Ive only had 1 thread, not thread"s". Ive had quite a few books drop in grade without complaining here on the Boards, because I do know the risks involved.

 

 

4.) We get an update from Spider-Dan that he can resend his books IF he pays to do so…. (page 50)

 

 

:news:

 

Update - I just talked to CGC, and they told me they would be glad to look them over again, but I would have to pay another submission fee

 

:banana:

 

5.) Apparently, the resto misses are old news to the veterans that submit a lot.

 

From page 51:

 

The posts here that express their expectation CGC be 100% perfect with their restoration and trimming detection are missing the point that CGC is not now, has never been, and has never claimed to be perfect in these regards.. They have stated clearly that while they believe they do an outstanding job with detecting restoration and trimming (and I have no reason to doubt this), they are fallible and sometimes err.

 

Once that concept is understood, it is also easy to understand that every resubmission comes with the small risk that not only the grade but also the label color may change upon re-grading.

 

+1. Stinks when it happens but it happens.

 

Which is exactly why people were posting here that they lost some level of confidence in CGC. Because they did have the belief that CGC would be able to detect things like CT 100% of the time.

 

I think so far that was the biggest eye opener for people reading this thread. Learning this from the big submitters. That it does happen, and is part of the risk.

 

 

6.) The thread becomes a “Bleeding Cool” news story. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/02/16/whats-in-a-cgc-slabbed-book-anyway/

 

7.) After the "Bleeding Cool" article, CGC agrees to recheck the books for Spider-Dan and they reach some private agreement. Spider-Dan claims they came to a reasonable resolution but will not be sharing the details publicly.

 

Just wanted to let everyone know, that both books were re-checked today, and both were restored. They were checked and checked again

 

While it doesn't say much for the grading a few years ago, it at least gives me confidence in the grading consistency today.

 

Harshen called me personally to give me the bad news. After a nice conversation, and many apologies, we came to a reasonable resolution.

 

Im not going to go into details, but I will say Harshen went above and beyond to take care of this.

 

It doesn't change the fact that there are books out there in blue labels that could have resto on them, but I feel much better about CGC's customer service

 

Maybe they readjusted his grading fees

Maybe they compensated him for the difference in value between the Blue labels to Purple labels, but don’t want it public to avoid setting a precedent.

At this point it doesn’t matter.

 

8.) Lessons learned:

 

- CGC misses resto sometimes (see #5 above) It happens.

 

- If you "Crack Press Resub" there is risk the book may come back PLOD. What level of risk is still being debated.

 

- If you are resubmitting an expensive book without pressing it 1st, keep it in the slab when you submit. It’s the only way CGC will believe you didn’t add the resto yourself in this type situation.

 

 

 

Great Re-Cap :applause:

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