CGC Comments Regarding the JIM 83

[conditionfreak]

As it currently stands. A potential buyer wants to know up front IF HE can possibly press the book and make a profit off of my not having pressed the book.

 

Do I have the correct?

 

If I don't know if a book in a slab, has been pressed or not. What difference does it make? The grade is the grade.

 

Or is everyone playing the "CPR" game, in hopes of making a profit? A profit off of my NOT having pressed the book.

 

If I buy a book from my local LCS and they had it graded as a 7.0. And I offer it for sale, graded by me as an 8.0. Does that mean that I am obligated to notify any potential buyers that my LCS had it graded lower than I grade it?

 

I'm confused about this.

[Green Army Men]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

[skypinkblu]

If you are addressing that to me, that's not why I want to know if a book is pressed. I want to know because I personally value unpressed books higher than pressed books. I'll usually pay more for them. Not so I can flip them, but because given a choice with two books the same grade, if it's for my collection, I'd prefer the unpressed books.

 

I've had water wrinkled books and badly spine rolled books pressed that I plan to keep, esp if they are in a series that I collect and I know I can't find another one.

 

I've had a few books pressed that I plan to slab and sell...but I still own about 5,500 books and only maybe 150 of those are slabbed, so I'd guess that 98% of the books I own, are not pressed. At least not to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't hate pressing, I just want to know.

 

But what I wrote was not about "pressing" ...it was just about disclosing.

[Mark 1]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

 

That's excellent news. Congrats.

 

 

[Spider-Dan]

Hello all, Just so everyone is clear... I am the one who has recently submitted this book- I bought this book for money and a trade of a SA GL 1 7.5... I was told that it was a raw book and believed that it had never been graded by CGC or anyone else... but was not given a clear history beyond that- The guy who sold it to me said he did not know history - not sure if this is true or not- But until CCS's Matt called me and gave me a rundown of the history of the CGC labels and grades- I knew nothing of its history - To the credit of CGC and CCS (they are the one's "MATT really" who alerted me to all the shenanigans around this book)- I did scrutinize this book when received and I thought that it looked completely unrestored in all ways- and do not think that it has ever been trimmed- it holds up incredibly well to my other graded copies of JIM 83- actually looks better than the 7.0 copy I have- the covers are all pretty much exactly the same size- and although CGC is a little to tough on reader creases- they don't bother me so much- I think the book is pretty nice- considering the mistake on previous labels- and as a general comment on the subject -CCS and CGC made the effort to contact me on 4-25-14... so I have to give them credit for being honest brokers and trying to do the right thing with regards to this copy of JIM 83.

 

Thank You for coming forward!

 

The seller knew all of the history behind this book. I believe this Boardie should be considered for the HOS?

 

If he cracked the book out of a purple label and didn't disclose it when he sold it that's really bad...I don't know if it qualifies for HOS, but it's bad.

 

However, I wonder how many people disclose the history of the books they sell? We'd have an awfully long list I suspect.

 

Pressing? We've had many debates on disclosure. Personally I disclose if I have a book pressed, but I don't think more than a few dozen others do that anymore, it seems to have fallen out of favor, or people are so used to it, they ignore it.

 

Resubs? Does that count? The book used to be a 6.0, goes to a 7.0? I'd like to have that disclosed as well if I buy something I'd love to know if the grade varied. How many people do you think disclose resubs?

 

I don't follow your threads, Dan...is that something you do?

 

Of course we could also have many Costanza bathroom books floating around...not sure if we need to disclose those;) My point is, disclosing is going to affect the bottom line for a lot of people, quite a few people I'm sure.

 

Not sure what your implying, but it was my impression the new owner ASKED for the history of the book. If that's the case, then I do feel the seller should be put in the HOS. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

I always answered any potential buyers questions as honest as I can.

 

Also, restoration is fact, grade is opinion.

 

If I re-sub a 9.0 and it comes back a 9.2, that's just CGC's opinion that day. Restoration isn't supposed to change

[conditionfreak]

If you are addressing that to me, that's not why I want to know if a book is pressed. I want to know because I personally value unpressed books higher than pressed books. I'll usually pay more for them. Not so I can flip them, but because given a choice with two books the same grade, if it's for my collection, I'd prefer the unpressed books.

 

I've had water wrinkled books and badly spine rolled books pressed that I plan to keep, esp if they are in a series that I collect and I know I can't find another one.

 

I've had a few books pressed that I plan to slab and sell...but I still own about 5,500 books and only maybe 150 of those are slabbed, so I'd guess that 98% of the books I own, are not pressed. At least not to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't hate pressing, I just want to know.

 

But what I wrote was not about "pressing" ...it was just about disclosing.

 

I was not addressing you. I was addressing the disclosure situation, and all its ramifications, twists and turns.

[drbanner]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

Round and round and round it goes, where it stops, nobody knows!

[Red84]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

 

Now that same seller has the opportunity to drop the book on another unsuspecting buyer.

[telerites]

I feel sorry for this poor book. It has been handled, squished, and passed around more than a porn star.

[skypinkblu]

Hello all, Just so everyone is clear... I am the one who has recently submitted this book- I bought this book for money and a trade of a SA GL 1 7.5... I was told that it was a raw book and believed that it had never been graded by CGC or anyone else... but was not given a clear history beyond that- The guy who sold it to me said he did not know history - not sure if this is true or not- But until CCS's Matt called me and gave me a rundown of the history of the CGC labels and grades- I knew nothing of its history - To the credit of CGC and CCS (they are the one's "MATT really" who alerted me to all the shenanigans around this book)- I did scrutinize this book when received and I thought that it looked completely unrestored in all ways- and do not think that it has ever been trimmed- it holds up incredibly well to my other graded copies of JIM 83- actually looks better than the 7.0 copy I have- the covers are all pretty much exactly the same size- and although CGC is a little to tough on reader creases- they don't bother me so much- I think the book is pretty nice- considering the mistake on previous labels- and as a general comment on the subject -CCS and CGC made the effort to contact me on 4-25-14... so I have to give them credit for being honest brokers and trying to do the right thing with regards to this copy of JIM 83.

 

Thank You for coming forward!

 

The seller knew all of the history behind this book. I believe this Boardie should be considered for the HOS?

 

If he cracked the book out of a purple label and didn't disclose it when he sold it that's really bad...I don't know if it qualifies for HOS, but it's bad.

 

However, I wonder how many people disclose the history of the books they sell? We'd have an awfully long list I suspect.

 

Pressing? We've had many debates on disclosure. Personally I disclose if I have a book pressed, but I don't think more than a few dozen others do that anymore, it seems to have fallen out of favor, or people are so used to it, they ignore it.

 

Resubs? Does that count? The book used to be a 6.0, goes to a 7.0? I'd like to have that disclosed as well if I buy something I'd love to know if the grade varied. How many people do you think disclose resubs?

 

I don't follow your threads, Dan...is that something you do?

 

Of course we could also have many Costanza bathroom books floating around...not sure if we need to disclose those;) My point is, disclosing is going to affect the bottom line for a lot of people, quite a few people I'm sure.

 

Not sure what your implying, but it was my impression the new owner ASKED for the history of the book. If that's the case, then I do feel the seller should be put in the HOS. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

I always answered any potential buyers questions as honest as I can.

 

Also, restoration is fact, grade is opinion.

 

If I re-sub a 9.0 and it comes back a 9.2, that's just CGC's opinion that day. Restoration isn't supposed to change

 

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

This could work in your favor if you re-subbed a 9.2 and it comes back 9.0.

 

[Bomber-Bob]

I feel sorry for this poor book. It has been handled, squished, and passed around more than a porn star.

 

+1 I was the original owner of this book before Spider-Dan. I had it for about 6 years as an attractive 6.0 Universal Blue. I trade it for an upgrade and within a couple months it's been resubbed 4 times (I lost count). As Sharon stated above, I would like this to remain a hobby first. I would like to see someone buy this book and actually keep it. Must every book be manipulated and resubbed for profit ? Sad.

[Chadwick]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

 

 

Just curious, but now that it's going to come back with a blue label, will you lose anything on the GPA of the slabbed book from what you bought it for raw? I guess you won't know until the grade comes back, but I wouldn't accept a refund for anything less than the price of the book now. I'm guessing the guy that sold it to you got pretty pissed that he didn't try to get the blue label. I'm sure he feels burned from buying a restored book and selling it raw, when he could have submitted and made more?

 

[namisgr]

I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

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+1

 

Sure, it's an opinion, but it's a professional one, and the former grade is a professional opinion, too.

[joeypost]

I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

[/color]

 

+1

 

Sadly it happens. A lot more than you think. I have seen many a modern 9.2 go straight to 9.8 without any work done to the book.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

[/color]

 

+1

 

Sure, it's an opinion, but it's a professional one, and the former grade is a professional opinion, too.

 

[namisgr]

I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

[/color]

 

+1

 

Sadly it happens. A lot more than you think. I have seen many a modern 9.2 go straight to 9.8 without any work done to the book.

 

Yeah, a change of one grade increment is not so concerning, since there are plenty of books that are in-betweeners and will get different grades depending on the day of the week and the alignment of the planets. It's the ones changing by 2 or 3 increments that I'd really want to know about, and I suspect most other potential buyers would, too.

[Bomber-Bob]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

 

 

Just curious, but now that it's going to come back with a blue label, will you lose anything on the GPA of the slabbed book from what you bought it for raw? I guess you won't know until the grade comes back, but I wouldn't accept a refund for anything less than the price of the book now. I'm guessing the guy that sold it to you got pretty pissed that he didn't try to get the blue label. I'm sure he feels burned from buying a restored book and selling it raw, when he could have submitted and made more?

 

 

You are way behind in your reading. The seller to Green Army Men bought it as a Purple Label, resubbed and got the Blue label. He then deslabbed it and sold it as a raw VF. In summary, he made the most money of all here.

[Bomber-Bob]

I'm saying that if a book was submitted previously and was graded professionally, I'd like to know what that grade was before and after a new submission. I don't expect or care about grades by non professionals.

 

It's just a personal preference, for me, the more information the better. Maybe I want to take the average of the different grades.

 

Grades are not supposed to change either, but perhaps there is something that can help me make a decision about buying the book.

 

[/color]

 

+1

 

Sadly it happens. A lot more than you think. I have seen many a modern 9.2 go straight to 9.8 without any work done to the book.

 

Sadly this makes submitting to CGC sounds like a Wheel of fortune spin.

As Namisgr stated, one bump is no biggie but 3 bumps is wrong.

[DWL]

As of today the seller has agreed to compensate me for all this. He has offered to compensate me in a refund. He has stated that he will do the right thing regarding the JIM 83.

 

 

Just curious, but now that it's going to come back with a blue label, will you lose anything on the GPA of the slabbed book from what you bought it for raw? I guess you won't know until the grade comes back, but I wouldn't accept a refund for anything less than the price of the book now. I'm guessing the guy that sold it to you got pretty pissed that he didn't try to get the blue label. I'm sure he feels burned from buying a restored book and selling it raw, when he could have submitted and made more?

 

 

You are way behind in your reading. The seller to Green Army Men bought it as a Purple Label, resubbed and got the Blue label. He then deslabbed it and sold it as a raw VF. In summary, he made the most money of all here.

 

I am behind in my reading of this thread as well. I know the sellers board name but has anyone posted the sellers actual name? If someone could PM the name I would appreciate it.

 

Is the seller offering to make it right because he got "outed"? Regardless, I am not sure I would ever want to deal with this person. As Cal would say, he is going on my "list".

 

Thank you!

[Conan_Aficionado]

I applaud CGC, all our worries are over.