Captain America: Civil War official movie thread (5/6/16)

[Logan510]

There's a difference in someone responding to a comment and following me from thread to thread responding to every comment I make in this section.

 

"handled greatly" must mean something different where I come from.

 

Do you mean to exaggerate, as it was all of two threads where there was any discussion. Or this just something you dream up as you go along?

 

All I did was share my view on Zemo being more effective in the film than you felt the character was portrayed. That's a lot more positive and open for discussion than your post about '...the only way I would watch this POS again.'

 

What does my comment about BvS have anything to do with this?

 

And thanks for proving my point.

 

Well, if you are going to exaggerate openly like that about our back-and-forth discussion, then it is going to get clarified. Or was that your point?

 

 

Meanwhile, you posted in the Batman v Superman to purposely disrupt any positive discussion about the film...

 

It's anti cheerleading.

 

And then when you noted Zemo was not handled the best way in Civil War...

 

He's definitely a better villain than this movie showed him to be.

 

Very disappointed in how they handled him and made Crossbones nothing more than a contrived plot device.

 

...all I did was note why I felt he actually was quite effective. Though not traditionally portrayed. What - chat boards are not for open and positive discussion about these films in the TV-Movie-Game section? There was no 'Are you crazy for your opinion' just because it didn't work for you. That's your opinion.

 

Apparently not.

 

I was thinking of posting in the Valiant thread, in case you want to follow me over there.

You keep complaining, but you're the only one out of line. Bosco hasn't said anything disrespectful to you. if he disagrees with a thousand of your posts, that's perfectly allowable, as long as he does so in an appropriate manner, which he has. deal with it or stop posting.

 

If I don't bow down to one movie section dictator, why would I bow down to another?

 

You don't know anything about the situation between me and that other person, so relax buddy.

[Bosco685]

There's a difference in someone responding to a comment and following me from thread to thread responding to every comment I make in this section.

 

"handled greatly" must mean something different where I come from.

 

Do you mean to exaggerate, as it was all of two threads where there was any discussion. Or this just something you dream up as you go along?

 

All I did was share my view on Zemo being more effective in the film than you felt the character was portrayed. That's a lot more positive and open for discussion than your post about '...the only way I would watch this POS again.'

 

What does my comment about BvS have anything to do with this?

 

And thanks for proving my point.

 

Well, if you are going to exaggerate openly like that about our back-and-forth discussion, then it is going to get clarified. Or was that your point?

 

 

Meanwhile, you posted in the Batman v Superman to purposely disrupt any positive discussion about the film...

 

It's anti cheerleading.

 

And then when you noted Zemo was not handled the best way in Civil War...

 

He's definitely a better villain than this movie showed him to be.

 

Very disappointed in how they handled him and made Crossbones nothing more than a contrived plot device.

 

...all I did was note why I felt he actually was quite effective. Though not traditionally portrayed. What - chat boards are not for open and positive discussion about these films in the TV-Movie-Game section? There was no 'Are you crazy for your opinion' just because it didn't work for you. That's your opinion.

 

Apparently not.

 

I was thinking of posting in the Valiant thread, in case you want to follow me over there.

You keep complaining, but you're the only one out of line. Bosco hasn't said anything disrespectful to you. if he disagrees with a thousand of your posts, that's perfectly allowable, as long as he does so in an appropriate manner, which he has. deal with it or stop posting.

 

If I don't bow down to one movie section dictator, why would I bow down to another?

 

You don't know anything about the situation between me and that other person, so relax buddy.

 

And yet for any of the nasty comments you've 'just happened to appear' and make, I am being polite. So who has baggage they are dealing with?

 

But if you are going to purposely disrupt a thread because you disliked a movie, someone probably won't appreciate it. If you note something in a movie didn't work for you, there may be others that see it differently. It has nothing to do with your history. Though it does show a pattern.

 

'Section dictator'

 

[bababooey]

What didn't you like?

 

Jim

 

I really am not a big fan of the new kid playing Parker, the Spidey scenes were fine.

 

I have unreasonably high expectations when it comes to my favourite hero and the guys handling this movie really nailed every other character.

 

My comic/movie likes/dislikes just don't align very well...in the movies I'm a big fan of Cap, Falcon, Panther, Winter Soldier...etc...don't own more than a handful of Cap books.

 

I guess I relate more to a "Tobey-age" Spidey than an adolescent one....

 

 

 

[vane]

Anyone knows when will Civil War will be coming to Netflix?

 

I thought Netflix has an agreement with Disney of all new movies will be streaming the same day it comes out. Vudu has it for streaming but you have to buy it.

 

[Bosco685]

Anyone knows when will Civil War will be coming to Netflix?

 

I thought Netflix has an agreement with Disney of all new movies will be streaming the same day it comes out. Vudu has it for streaming but you have to buy it.

 

 

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video September 2016: The Best Of What’s New To Streaming

 

New titles being added to the three popular streaming platforms in September include season 2 of ‘Narcos’ on Netflix, new episodes of ‘Scream Queens’ on Hulu and ‘Captain America: Civil War’ on Amazon Video. ( Captain America | Facebook )

 

[Unca Ben]

What didn't you like?

 

Jim

 

I really am not a big fan of the new kid playing Parker, the Spidey scenes were fine.

 

I have unreasonably high expectations when it comes to my favourite hero and the guys handling this movie really nailed every other character.

 

My comic/movie likes/dislikes just don't align very well...in the movies I'm a big fan of Cap, Falcon, Panther, Winter Soldier...etc...don't own more than a handful of Cap books.

 

I guess I relate more to a "Tobey-age" Spidey than an adolescent one....

 

 

 

Mebbe he'll grow on you. Heh.

[Logan510]

There's a difference in someone responding to a comment and following me from thread to thread responding to every comment I make in this section.

 

"handled greatly" must mean something different where I come from.

 

Do you mean to exaggerate, as it was all of two threads where there was any discussion. Or this just something you dream up as you go along?

 

All I did was share my view on Zemo being more effective in the film than you felt the character was portrayed. That's a lot more positive and open for discussion than your post about '...the only way I would watch this POS again.'

 

What does my comment about BvS have anything to do with this?

 

And thanks for proving my point.

 

Well, if you are going to exaggerate openly like that about our back-and-forth discussion, then it is going to get clarified. Or was that your point?

 

 

Meanwhile, you posted in the Batman v Superman to purposely disrupt any positive discussion about the film...

 

It's anti cheerleading.

 

And then when you noted Zemo was not handled the best way in Civil War...

 

He's definitely a better villain than this movie showed him to be.

 

Very disappointed in how they handled him and made Crossbones nothing more than a contrived plot device.

 

...all I did was note why I felt he actually was quite effective. Though not traditionally portrayed. What - chat boards are not for open and positive discussion about these films in the TV-Movie-Game section? There was no 'Are you crazy for your opinion' just because it didn't work for you. That's your opinion.

 

Apparently not.

 

I was thinking of posting in the Valiant thread, in case you want to follow me over there.

You keep complaining, but you're the only one out of line. Bosco hasn't said anything disrespectful to you. if he disagrees with a thousand of your posts, that's perfectly allowable, as long as he does so in an appropriate manner, which he has. deal with it or stop posting.

 

If I don't bow down to one movie section dictator, why would I bow down to another?

 

You don't know anything about the situation between me and that other person, so relax buddy.

 

And yet for any of the nasty comments you've 'just happened to appear' and make, I am being polite. So who has baggage they are dealing with?

 

But if you are going to purposely disrupt a thread because you disliked a movie, someone probably won't appreciate it. If you note something in a movie didn't work for you, there may be others that see it differently. It has nothing to do with your history. Though it does show a pattern.

 

'Section dictator'

 

 

[Bosco685]

There's a difference in someone responding to a comment and following me from thread to thread responding to every comment I make in this section.

 

"handled greatly" must mean something different where I come from.

 

Do you mean to exaggerate, as it was all of two threads where there was any discussion. Or this just something you dream up as you go along?

 

All I did was share my view on Zemo being more effective in the film than you felt the character was portrayed. That's a lot more positive and open for discussion than your post about '...the only way I would watch this POS again.'

 

What does my comment about BvS have anything to do with this?

 

And thanks for proving my point.

 

Well, if you are going to exaggerate openly like that about our back-and-forth discussion, then it is going to get clarified. Or was that your point?

 

 

Meanwhile, you posted in the Batman v Superman to purposely disrupt any positive discussion about the film...

 

It's anti cheerleading.

 

And then when you noted Zemo was not handled the best way in Civil War...

 

He's definitely a better villain than this movie showed him to be.

 

Very disappointed in how they handled him and made Crossbones nothing more than a contrived plot device.

 

...all I did was note why I felt he actually was quite effective. Though not traditionally portrayed. What - chat boards are not for open and positive discussion about these films in the TV-Movie-Game section? There was no 'Are you crazy for your opinion' just because it didn't work for you. That's your opinion.

 

Apparently not.

 

I was thinking of posting in the Valiant thread, in case you want to follow me over there.

You keep complaining, but you're the only one out of line. Bosco hasn't said anything disrespectful to you. if he disagrees with a thousand of your posts, that's perfectly allowable, as long as he does so in an appropriate manner, which he has. deal with it or stop posting.

 

If I don't bow down to one movie section dictator, why would I bow down to another?

 

You don't know anything about the situation between me and that other person, so relax buddy.

 

And yet for any of the nasty comments you've 'just happened to appear' and make, I am being polite. So who has baggage they are dealing with?

 

But if you are going to purposely disrupt a thread because you disliked a movie, someone probably won't appreciate it. If you note something in a movie didn't work for you, there may be others that see it differently. It has nothing to do with your history. Though it does show a pattern.

 

'Section dictator'

 

 

 

I know. Even you have to facepalm your own actions.

 

 

Yup. Even poor Steve Rogers agrees.

 

[Logan510]

There's a difference in someone responding to a comment and following me from thread to thread responding to every comment I make in this section.

 

"handled greatly" must mean something different where I come from.

 

Do you mean to exaggerate, as it was all of two threads where there was any discussion. Or this just something you dream up as you go along?

 

All I did was share my view on Zemo being more effective in the film than you felt the character was portrayed. That's a lot more positive and open for discussion than your post about '...the only way I would watch this POS again.'

 

What does my comment about BvS have anything to do with this?

 

And thanks for proving my point.

 

Well, if you are going to exaggerate openly like that about our back-and-forth discussion, then it is going to get clarified. Or was that your point?

 

 

Meanwhile, you posted in the Batman v Superman to purposely disrupt any positive discussion about the film...

 

It's anti cheerleading.

 

And then when you noted Zemo was not handled the best way in Civil War...

 

He's definitely a better villain than this movie showed him to be.

 

Very disappointed in how they handled him and made Crossbones nothing more than a contrived plot device.

 

...all I did was note why I felt he actually was quite effective. Though not traditionally portrayed. What - chat boards are not for open and positive discussion about these films in the TV-Movie-Game section? There was no 'Are you crazy for your opinion' just because it didn't work for you. That's your opinion.

 

Apparently not.

 

I was thinking of posting in the Valiant thread, in case you want to follow me over there.

You keep complaining, but you're the only one out of line. Bosco hasn't said anything disrespectful to you. if he disagrees with a thousand of your posts, that's perfectly allowable, as long as he does so in an appropriate manner, which he has. deal with it or stop posting.

 

If I don't bow down to one movie section dictator, why would I bow down to another?

 

You don't know anything about the situation between me and that other person, so relax buddy.

 

And yet for any of the nasty comments you've 'just happened to appear' and make, I am being polite. So who has baggage they are dealing with?

 

But if you are going to purposely disrupt a thread because you disliked a movie, someone probably won't appreciate it. If you note something in a movie didn't work for you, there may be others that see it differently. It has nothing to do with your history. Though it does show a pattern.

 

'Section dictator'

 

 

 

I know. Even you have to facepalm your own actions.

 

 

Yup. Even poor Steve Rogers agrees.

 

 

If Steve Rogers were real he would be ashamed of you

[Bosco685]

Uh-huh. I see you are nothing but consistent in never letting it go.

[Logan510]

Uh-huh. I see you are nothing but consistent in never letting it go.

 

Says the guy who needs the last word

[Bosco685]

Uh-huh. I see you are nothing but consistent in never letting it go.

 

Says the guy who needs the last word

 

Says the fellow that exaggerates. Thread to thread.

 

[Logan510]

Uh-huh. I see you are nothing but consistent in never letting it go.

 

Says the guy who needs the last word

 

Says the fellow that exaggerates. Thread to thread.

 

 

If you didn't follow me thread to thread, you wouldn't know.

 

 

[I like pie]

[Bosco685]

Anyone knows when will Civil War will be coming to Netflix?

 

I thought Netflix has an agreement with Disney of all new movies will be streaming the same day it comes out. Vudu has it for streaming but you have to buy it.

 

 

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video September 2016: The Best Of What’s New To Streaming

 

New titles being added to the three popular streaming platforms in September include season 2 of ‘Narcos’ on Netflix, new episodes of ‘Scream Queens’ on Hulu and ‘Captain America: Civil War’ on Amazon Video. ( Captain America | Facebook )

 

 

Finally found an article on Netflix streaming. It looks like the delay had to do with a recent Disney-Netflix deal being worked out.

 

Netflix-Disney Deal: 6 New Movies You’ll Be Able to Stream

 

Netflix still remains king despite all of this though, backed up by the best original programming in all of streaming, and an expansive library of on-demand movies and TV shows. That throne was just solidified too, thanks to a three-year-old deal with Disney set to kick in this September.

 

The deal makes Netflix “the exclusive U.S. pay-TV home of the latest films from Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar,” giving the service a massive leg up in the ongoing streaming war.

 

So expect it soon, as in the first six movies was Civil War.

[Prince Namor]

I watched this movie again, and I still can't help think that it's tremendously over rated.

I guess I'm just looking for more out of my movies than adolescent fantasies, with overly contrived plot devices, and unrealistic fighting.

 

If you're cool with that... no sense in even replying to this post.

 

I'll sum it up: A big budget superhero movie should have a big budget villain, NOT Tony Stark as the bad guy.

 

 

I personally, as a young man of 11, found Hercules pulling the island of Manhattan back in place with a giant chain to be preposterous (Marvel Team-up #28), and the heavy handed ending of the Jackel's reign of terror in ASM was less than a year away to leave me unsatisfied with mainstream comics.

 

Maybe I missed out on some good wholesome fun or whatever, but the more mature themes of Savage Sword of Conan and Tales of the Zombie had already begun to lure me away from... that world.

 

Now I get that to the average Marvel 60's-70's fan in particular, this movie seems like a giant comic book come to life, and that in itself is pretty cool (I guess), but personally, at age 53, I suppose, I'm not as easily amused.

 

But, I originally tried to go into the movie THINKING I wanted to see a giant comic book come to life, and in parts of it, I did!

 

Spider-man was cool, the Black Panther was cool, I'm happy to have the Vision in there (even though he remains suspiciously absent from most of the real team battle) and of course the airport fight scene is classic... but...it all couldn't help me get over some things that bothered me throughout.

 

1. You can't have a great Superhero movie with a lame villain.

 

For everyone who cries when Marvel changes a character in the movies to a different sex, race, costume - where's the outrage over Zemo? They changed him into the worst of possible incarnations - a lame white guy from a country that doesn't actually exist. His character in this movie is so bland, he could've been replaced with almost anyone in the Marvel Universe that ever showed up from Eastern Europe or as a completely new character.

 

I get his motivations and reasoning as a character, it's somewhat deep and serious, especially for a Marvel movie, but how do you have a great superhero movie with a villain who is a plain old guy?

 

Lame.

 

Sorry. If you want to have a giant comic book for a movie, you need a giant villain. Bring on Thanos.

 

2. Stark's not supposed to be the heavy....

 

I get Tony Stark's personal accountability issues here, with siding with the government - he probably feels some guilt over Ultron, and even earlier than that, creating weapons of mass destruction through his company, so.... how do you recruit a 14 year old boy to come and help you fight a battle that even you say, people might die in? I realize it's necessary to introduce Spider-man in this movie, but.... bad writing. Sorry, that's glaring for me.

 

I even get that his accountability issues are somewhat a mask for his desire for more power - but bringing a kid into it seems.... incredibily irresponsible and/or poorly written.

 

And the idea that someone with a mind as sharp as Stark's would not see the fallout of his friends ending up in a super prison over this, is illogical, but... his flip-flop at the prison is even more strange. He very quickly and easily decides to go be friends with Cap again after 'Nat' makes him feel foolish for his part in all of this and 'Thaddeus' Ross tells him he should be in 'one of these cells'.

 

All in all, his character, is written a bit OUT of character and irrational in his thinking. The only thing I can think of is perhaps his PTSD from Avengers 1 (ya know, going through the worm hole, destroying a race of alien beings, saving all of human existence) might be mucking up his head.

 

Ultimately... I don't like his character being the 'heavy'. Cap is cool, but Iron Man is the guy who MADE the Marvel Universe work, and I can't see having him somewhat go bad is a good thing.

 

And then a couple of smaller points:

 

3. The concrete rolls and camera angles.

 

Look, I know these guys are super powered or whatever, but Thor and Hulk aren't here, and the amount of falls and rolling onto concrete these guys do is just distracting to me. No way they would all just get up from that. Can't help it, it was just distracting to me.

 

4. Rhodey's injury.

 

He's injured. They're sad (most likely paralysis). Then they're joking around. It's ok!

Bugged the heII out of me.

 

5. Cap sends Stark a letter at the end.

 

It's all ok! We're Super heroes!

 

6. Eliminate this movie, and what do we have, when the Infinity War starts? Pretty much the same thing we had when it started. Everyone will team together to fight for the good of mankind. That reeks of filler.

 

and finally.... the SUCCESS of this movie... is DOWN from Avengers Age of Ultron. So the victory lap for it seems strange. It's down 200Million overseas and 50Million here from numbers that were seen as a disappointment in AOU. (It's down $150Million overseas and $205Million domestic from the first movie!)

 

It may not be an 'Avengers' movie, but it had the same BUDGET as AOU, the same marketing campaign as AOU, and most of the same characters, PLUS the introduction of Black Panther and Spider-man.

 

This was one of Marvel's 4 BIGGEST budgeted movies EVER, and it finished lower than any of the 4 before it. It even finished lower than IM3, which cost $50Million less to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bosco685]

This was one of Marvel's 4 BIGGEST budgeted movies EVER, and it finished lower than any of the 4 before it. It even finished lower than IM3, which cost $50Million less to make.

 

 

That is definitely the biggest item here for such a massive movie that I pointed out recently. In order to make this film HUGE and different from anything else released and therefore not the same boring theme, Feige had to go to bat for the SECOND biggest budget ever for a MCU film and break off from the MCC to have more creative control. And yet it still trails the Top 3 in a major way.

 

There are decent updates coming in each week from international markets still showing this film. But even with that, it trails behind Iron Man 3 by $83.4 adjusted USD and behind Age of Ultron by $252.3MM adjusted USD.

 

 

Avengers 3 and 4 are probably going to be the behemoths that topple the Top 4 from the Marvel Studios list.

 

Having the right size threat to a team of this power is probably the root cause.

[Hulksdaddy1]

Don't forget to factor in superhero movie fatigue.

 

Or blockbuster fatigue in general.

[Pete Marino]

I watched this with the wife the other night.

 

it was about 30 mins too long, and kind of boring. I (unlike others) thought Spider-Man was one of the few good parts of the movie. the rest just felt stale and more spectacle than substance.

 

IM1 had a good origin story, and characters that were "grounded" with realistic motivations. This just felt like a giant fight scene. there were a few good scenes in the movie, but I don't know, maybe the person above said it right, it's just fatigue in the genre.

 

I feel like the Netflix series and CW Flash are so much more my speed these days than the MU movies.

[Bosco685]

It was definitely no Winter Soldier, Avengers 1 or Iron Man 1 or Thor 1 (I like this last one for its character-building Thor story). And there were definitely parts where there was so much conversation going on not to maintain the story, but more like it was filling time (some of the back-and-forth between Tony Stark and Steve Rogers - 'I'd like to punch you in your perfect teeth...').

 

I wonder if rather than superhero fatigue or big franchise fatigue, is it more characters that may come across as over-used across an extended amount of movies? And why movies like Guardians, Deadpool or Suicide Squad attract so much audience attention now than the traditional superhero films.