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OFFICIAL bloodshot (2017) Movie thread Bloodshot only
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valiantman

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1 minute ago, BaronSamedi said:
2 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Simple answer:  Because so many more got graded in the past year.

....epiphany

thanks:tink:

The longer answer is that you can multiply the CGC Census numbers by the market price and get the "total demand" (or something in that concept).

Before the Bloodshot movie was rumored (2014):  CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $53.23 average, 332 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $53.23 * 332 = $17,672 "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (first Bloodshot)

Before the movie pre-production timeframe (2016): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $93.88 average, 763 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $93.88 * 763 = $71.630 "total demand"

After Vin Diesel was announced as star (2018): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $108.53 average, 1,364 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $108.53 * 1,364 = $148,034 "total demand"

During filming and post-production (2019): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $150.07 average, 2,002 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $300,440 "total demand"

So far in 2020: CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $116.34 average, 2,104 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $244,779 "total demand"

So, the value of a single CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (regular matte edition) has gone from $53 to $94 to $108 to $150 and back down to $116... but the "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 has gone from $17,600 (pre-movie) to $300,000 (which was the peak of the pre-movie hype) and currently is at $245,000 one week before opening night.

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3 minutes ago, valiantman said:

The longer answer is that you can multiply the CGC Census numbers by the market price and get the "total demand" (or something in that concept).

Before the Bloodshot movie was rumored (2014):  CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $53.23 average, 332 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $53.23 * 332 = $17,672 "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (first Bloodshot)

Before the movie pre-production timeframe (2016): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $93.88 average, 763 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $93.88 * 763 = $71.630 "total demand"

After Vin Diesel was announced as star (2018): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $108.53 average, 1,364 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $108.53 * 1,364 = $148,034 "total demand"

During filming and post-production (2019): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $150.07 average, 2,002 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $300,440 "total demand"

So far in 2020: CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $116.34 average, 2,104 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $244,779 "total demand"

So, the value of a single CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (regular matte edition) has gone from $53 to $94 to $108 to $150 and back down to $116... but the "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 has gone from $17,600 (pre-movie) to $300,000 (which was the peak of the pre-movie hype) and currently is at $245,000 one week before opening night.

Does this mean that the overall scope of a books value pertains to the number/rarity of the grades in that book? 

And if so, how can a book increase in value, from this perspective?

it sounds like it is pretty easy to predict the ceiling in terms of value of a book

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41 minutes ago, BaronSamedi said:
45 minutes ago, valiantman said:

The longer answer is that you can multiply the CGC Census numbers by the market price and get the "total demand" (or something in that concept).

Before the Bloodshot movie was rumored (2014):  CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $53.23 average, 332 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $53.23 * 332 = $17,672 "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (first Bloodshot)

Before the movie pre-production timeframe (2016): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $93.88 average, 763 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $93.88 * 763 = $71.630 "total demand"

After Vin Diesel was announced as star (2018): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $108.53 average, 1,364 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $108.53 * 1,364 = $148,034 "total demand"

During filming and post-production (2019): CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $150.07 average, 2,002 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $300,440 "total demand"

So far in 2020: CGC 9.8 Rai #0 = $116.34 average, 2,104 at CGC 9.8 or higher on CGC Census = $244,779 "total demand"

So, the value of a single CGC 9.8 Rai #0 (regular matte edition) has gone from $53 to $94 to $108 to $150 and back down to $116... but the "total demand" for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 has gone from $17,600 (pre-movie) to $300,000 (which was the peak of the pre-movie hype) and currently is at $245,000 one week before opening night.

Does this mean that the overall scope of a books value pertains to the number/rarity of the grades in that book? 

And if so, how can a book increase in value, from this perspective?

it sounds like it is pretty easy to predict the ceiling in terms of value of a book

Well, there's an obvious problem using only two variables to define a whole market, but I think we're a lot better off using both the CGC Census and the CGC value than just using the CGC value of a book alone.

People want to say "X used to be $900 and now it's $750" (in this case, CGC 9.8 New Mutants #98), but if you look at the CGC Census changes from $900 to $750, you'll see that the increase in the CGC Census basically offsets the decrease in the price.

In other words, Deadpool "held steady" in terms of a total market value/demand, even when the price of a single book fell from $900 to $750.  That makes sense to me, since Deadpool is very likely to have another movie so there's not much reason to dump copies, and the number of raw copies being sent to CGC is probably steady so we should actually expect the price per book to fall a little.  Supply increases, so price decreases, but together... they're stable.

A book increases in value when anything draws in new buyers (in the past 20 years, that's basically been movies, but also streaming series, etc.)... but a market decreases in total value when the supply is plenty for the current demand.

Bloodshot has always been in Rai #0, but the 2014 total market for CGC 9.8 Rai #0 was about $17,600 and currently it's around $245,000.  That's fourteen times the market size of the year before the Bloodshot movie was announced.

If people don't like the movie, or if there are suddenly a bunch of copies of Rai #0 sent to CGC and made available on the market, the price will definitely fall, because both of those are similar to "dumping" copies into the market.  Notice, though, that even if CGC 9.8 Rai #0 fell all the way back to $50 each, the total demand would still be over $100,000, when the last time CGC 9.8 Rai #0 was $50, the total demand was $17,600.  A "complete collapse" of CGC 9.8 Rai #0 to pre-movie prices would still be over 5 times the pre-movie market size.

The "perfect storm" for book value would be that CGC has graded nearly all the raw copies of a book before a movie is announced... the total demand could skyrocket, and the CGC Census wouldn't budge much, so all of the increase in demand would go to individual book prices.

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BLOODSHOT Writer Jeff Wadlow Has Seen The Movie And Believes "Audiences [Will] Really Like It"

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We recently caught up with Blumhouse's Fantasy Island writer and director Jeff Wadlow to discuss his new horror movie, but he has another film coming out in March: Bloodshot. 

He penned the screenplay for that in the early 2010s, and director David S. F. Wilson was tasked with helming the version that's coming to theaters. While screenwriter Eric Heisserer has made some changes since then, Wadlow's work remains a big part of that, and we asked the filmmaker whether he's looking forward to comic book fans finally getting to see the film.

"Yeah, I actually saw it for the first time a couple of days ago," Wadlow tells us. "I've not really had anything to do with it over the past five or six years, but it's pretty much the -script that I wrote. Eric Heisserer, who is a great writer, did a pass on it and did a great job deepening the characters, but it's a super-fun movie and Vin [Diesel] is great in it."

"I think it turned out really well, and I'm really proud of it," he added. "It's an interesting thing as a writer/director to have written something you didn't direct, and it hasn't happened to me very often, but I think they really did an outstanding job and I think audiences are going to really like it."

We've not heard much about Bloodshot in recent weeks, but Wadlow clearly has faith in the Valiant Comics adaptation, and it's going to be very interesting seeing how fans now respond to it. 

 

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3 hours ago, BaronSamedi said:

He has only done Fast and Furious movies.

Not even close.

He's also done Riddick (again), XXX (again), and The Last Witch Hunter. None of which exactly set the box office on fire.

He also did some voice work (like Groot).

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10 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Is that supposed to be Toby Kebell / Ax on the right?

Because it doesn't look like him.

The guy attacking Bloodshot in the trailer isn't Toby Kebell if you watch it. It is Sam Heughan (the person shown in the poster).

Is Sam Heughan playing a bad guy in Bloodshot?

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After months of waiting, we finally have our first look at Sam Heughan in his new movie, Bloodshot. The trailer was released yesterday, and we immediately gained a few burning questions. One of the biggest is whether he's going to be the villain of the story.

 

It certainly looks that way. There are only a few shots, but Heughan is playing a technologically-enhanced Navy SEAL. Part of that advancement involves spider-like mechanical legs coming from his back. And his expressions are stern enough to suggest bad guy.

In the trailer, Martin Axe is one of the targets Bloodshot is tricked into attacking when he is convinced he killed his wife. So this may lead to why they are enemies.

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Huh. Then Sam Heughan's potentially playing a different villain, then?

IMDB lists his character as "Jimmy Dalton" and Toby Kebbell as "Axe" (which was confirmed by trades last year).

And the "Martin Axe" you show in the screenshot does indeed look like Kebbell.

So it's likely we haven't actually seen Axe in his armor yet in the trailer?

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19 minutes ago, RANDOM ACTS said:

I hope the CORONAVIRUS doesn't impact the box office with this. As losing China`s audience would take a big piece out of Bloodshot`s box office. Did anybody hear if this will play in China or Japan because of the CORONAVIRUS?

I believe China has closed its 70,000 movie theaters so nothing is playing for now out there.

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Sony Pictures’ upcoming action film Bloodshot will be shown in the U.S. utilizing the ICE Theaters format with ICE Immersive® technology. ICE Theaters is currently available at AEG’s Regal L.A. Live in Los Angeles, VOX Cinemas in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and 36 locations in France, where it is one of the leading premium cinema technology formats in the country. Bloodshot will be available in all three countries.

 

The ICE Theaters concept launched three years ago, combining advanced design and sound and image technologies with the ICE Immersive sensory experience. ICE Immersive technology features non-reflecting LED panels flanking each side of the auditorium to fill the moviegoer’s peripheral vision and complement the feature film being showcased on the front screen. Their in-house post-production team in La Rochelle creates the custom ambient images shown on the panels, and syncs them to each film. In addition to the LED panels, each location features luxury seats, immersive sound, and RGB laser projection.

 

The Los Angeles location, in partnership with AEG, was the first ICE Theaters to open outside of France, as part of an overall global expansion strategy. Late last month, ICE Theaters opened its second international location in Riyadh with VOX Cinemas. More locations in the Middle East (via the partnership with VOX Cinemas) as well as in North America will soon be announced.

 

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44 minutes ago, The Brain said:

The release date is 3/13/2020.

Might be a little early for those review at this time.

there are plenty of reviews available, you just have to know where to look to find them. Sprechen Sie Deutsch? https://www.blairwitch.de/moviebase/2849/Bloodshot/Kritik/

 

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