NewEnglandGothic Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I totally agree. 2008 was the best year for comic movies. Because we got two bonafide classics ("The Dark Knight" and "Iron Man") from both studios, that no one could argue over. I don't remember a hearing peep about The Dark Knight grossing more, as it was Iron Man laying the groundwork for future movies, that weren't going to be "Ghost Rider." I think back then, we were more grateful, the material was being taken more seriously. #whysoserious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) Why fighting over Venom vs Aquaman when this is solid news for the comic book movie market with both? They topped China results for standalone character films, and now Aquaman is about to surpass Venom. Gavin Feng provides China box office tracking and already predicts both will exceed $270M each. And with the budget estimate at $160M to $200M, either way this film has easily achieved profitability at 3.5X to 4.4X production budget before the international update occurs today. I know - go for the 'Justice League budget' thing. Edited December 30, 2018 by Bosco685 'Feng' not 'Fang' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 57 minutes ago, NewEnglandGothic said: I totally agree. 2008 was the best year for comic movies. Because we got two bonafide classics ("The Dark Knight" and "Iron Man") from both studios, that no one could argue over. I don't remember a hearing peep about The Dark Knight grossing more, as it was Iron Man laying the groundwork for future movies, that weren't going to be "Ghost Rider." I think back then, we were more grateful, the material was being taken more seriously. #whysoserious 2018 gives 2008 a run for its money: BP - Best Picture Nomination, Spider-Verse - Best Animated Picture Win, A:IW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 piper and Mr.TawkyTawny 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 $749MM WW after $120MM weekend. 1.5x multiple + $20MM Italy/Japan gets you to $950MM, 2x to $1BB+ #drowninginprofits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntboy Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 You never fail to bust chops (but in a fun way). Love the hashtags!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) On 12/30/2018 at 9:39 AM, paperheart said: $749MM WW after $120MM weekend. 1.5x multiple + $20MM Italy/Japan gets you to $950MM, 2x to $1BB+ #drowninginprofits So.....only $151MM until break even at $900MM? Edited December 31, 2018 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 On 12/30/2018 at 9:31 AM, Bosco685 said: Glad to see you back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, kimik said: So.....only $151MM until break even at $900MM? Give or take. Production + P & A= $350MM China- $233M @ 25% BO= $58MM North America- $189MM @ 50% BO= $95MM Other Countries $329MM @ 40% BO= $132 Total Revenue To WB so Far= $285MM Still about $65MM shy to profitability. #stilldeepinthered -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 OFC (azz backward CFO) new accounting standard; upfront all costs and pretend there is no future revenue #sleepswiththefishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, paperheart said: OFC (azz backward CFO) new accounting standard; upfront all costs and pretend there is no future revenue #sleepswiththefishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said: Give or take. Production + P & A= $350MM China- $233M @ 25% BO= $58MM North America- $189MM @ 50% BO= $95MM Other Countries $329MM @ 40% BO= $132 Total Revenue To WB so Far= $285MM Still about $65MM shy to profitability. #stilldeepinthered -J. I will give you an A for your effort in defending your flawed accounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, paperheart said: OFC (azz backward CFO) new accounting standard; upfront all costs and pretend there is no future revenue #sleepswiththefishes P & A are upfront costs. And "Future revenues" also incur their own additional cost basis. #stillinthered -J. Edited December 31, 2018 by Jaydogrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, kimik said: I will give you an A for your effort in defending your flawed accounting. Nothing "flawed" about it. The splits to the studios I'm using are all known industry templates and the figures I used are all directly from box office mojo. But thank you. -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandGothic Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Definitely, not wanting to pile on Mr. Jaydog, and I sincerely mean it, but yeah there should be future revenues added to the equation as theatrical box-office really doesn't cut it anymore. This thing should be adjusted for streaming, 4K, Blu Ray & DVD (I know... ) sales, cable airings, not too mention it will always be part of the DC shared universe of movies (free advertising as it will automatically appear on endcaps) for whatever viewing means as it's a licensed property of WB. Morbid curiosity, has anyone ever tried to figure that stuff out on a movie? That stuff actually sounds just as fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, NewEnglandGothic said: Definitely, not wanting to pile on Mr. Jaydog, and I sincerely mean it, but yeah there should be future revenues added to the equation as theatrical box-office really doesn't cut it anymore. This thing should be adjusted for streaming, 4K, Blu Ray & DVD (I know... ) sales, cable airings, not too mention it will always be part of the DC shared universe of movies (free advertising as it will automatically appear on endcaps) for whatever viewing means as it's a licensed property of WB. Morbid curiosity, has anyone ever tried to figure that stuff out on a movie? That stuff actually sounds just as fascinating. Well I never purported that that the theatrical was the beginning and the end of the revenue life of a movie. All I've ever said is that far too much money was spent on this movie, and as a result, it would be very difficult to turn a profit theatrically (though it may end up squeaking into the black theatrically after all). -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I really wish either Iron Man or Iron Man II had broken even. I liked that character - thought he had potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 As a biologist I just grit my teeth when I see whales hangin out at the bottom of the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 29 minutes ago, NewEnglandGothic said: Morbid curiosity, has anyone ever tried to figure that stuff out on a movie? That stuff actually sounds just as fascinating. Deadline's done that for a few years: Most Profitable Blockbusters of 2014 - Includes The Winter Soldier, Days of Future Past, TMNT, Big Hero Six and Amazing Spider-Man 2, with breakdowns. 2015 - Includes Age of Ultron and Ant-Man 2016 - Includes Deadpool, Suicide Squad, Rogue One, Doctor Strange, & BvS 2017 - Includes Last Jedi, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man: Homecoming, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, & Thor Ragnarok. NewEnglandGothic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandGothic Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, kav said: As a biologist I just grit my teeth when I see whales hangin out at the bottom of the ocean. Best whale movie ever, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
