STAR WARS : Episode VIII December 15, 2017 3 3

[mattn792]

3 hours ago, revat said:

I can't imagine that the financial markets would be stable enough to take any company public after blowing up the Republic Capital Planet, blowing up the Star Killer base, the rediscovery and death of Luke Skywalker and the death of Snoke, the ascension of Kylo Ren to Supreme Leader, all in probably two (?) or less calendar years.  Although I guess Leia could essentially 'short' property on planets where she plans to move the rebellion, knowing they're about to get wrecked.  Or take bribes to NOT house the Resistance on certain planets, as they're likely about to get wrecked. 

Well they did skip ahead about 30 years between VI & VII, so maybe they'll do the same between VIII and IX?  It would certainly have the benefit of skipping all those mundane details like conducting a thorough law firm search for the right attorneys and filing articles of incorporation.

3 hours ago, revat said:

Can you direct me to some fanfic about Gringots bank in Harry Potter?  I'd be just as into that, if not moreso. 

Sorry, I'm no help there, Harry Potter was never my thing.

[apollobuzz]

Saw it again on Netflix (after seeing it in the theater opening weekend).  Not as bad on the second viewing, but still can't get over many of the dumb-ahhs… er, I mean, creative writing issues.  It was because of this one that I boycotted seeing Solo in the theaters and will likely do the same for Episode 9.

Edited August 6, 2018 by apollobuzz
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[zhamlau]

So I took a look now that the dust has settled a little at the final numbers for TLJ and TFA. I predicted TLJ would not only lose almost 1 billion dollars off the pace of the last movie, but that it would cause such a fan revolt anything Kathleen Kennedy put her hands on would be boycotted too.

 

Numbers are in, judge for yourself.

• The Force Awakens: (Domestic Gross) $936 million , (Foreign Gross) $ 1.31 Billion........TOTAL: $2.23 Billion
• The Last Jedi: (Domestic Gross) $621 Million, (Foreign Gross) $712 Million.....................TOTAL: $1.33 Billion
• Solo: A Star Wars Story: (Domestic Gross) $213 Million , (Foreign Gross) $179 Million....TOTAL: $ 392 Million

Solo is actually a pretty good movie, like on par with TFA and night and day better then TJL....fans who saw it liked it. But i personally know many fans who didn't want to see it after the "TLJ" debacle of a film. People actually followed through and boycotted the film which many people were laughing at, as if it wasn't possible. Yeah, turns out it was very possible.

For Comparison, Rogue One (also an actually good movie) did over a billion dollars total domestic/foreign.... As a spin off story it made almost as much as TLJ, let that sink in. After Episode 8 however, the fans turned on KK and Disney. Now all future films are reportedly on hold and the studio is trying desperately to find someone willing to take over for KK but all suitable candidates are afraid of the media/twitter backlash of taking over.

So, here we sit. The universe we love has been likely mortally wounded. The product itself is goofy, poorly written, and unrecognizable to fans. The future of it is compromised and its options limited.

 

I think in final review the "fix" (whats even possible at this point) is simple:

• Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. Her judgement and vision are flawed which leads to bad/boring places.
• TLJ must be scrubbed and negated in the next film even MORE then TFA was by TLJ.
• Rian Johnson needs to never be put on true Star Wars again. Give him some hepster stupid side film with the star wars logo that has no tie to the actual main universe and let him fail off in a corner.
• Find a way to undo Luke dying, or make him a HUGE part of the next film like Obi Wan on steroids.
• Find a way to have Leia pass away early (cant have a full digital character) but DO NOT LET HER REVERT TO DEMI-GOD state again, no more Carrie Poppins blowing up bulk-heads with her mind and flying like Space Ghost. Give her a dignified way out.
• Find a way to make it so the hyperspace missile option cant happen again. It would make every space battle pointless. It was on some level the worst part of all star wars combined.
• Let Rose die, she is a poorly written character who goes from zapping cowards running away to potentially ending the resistance to save one dude who she barely knows. She leaves orphans to suffer but risks all to save space horses...flawed and pointless.
• Give Finn something to do other than being a bumbling fool. He almost did something heroic but Rose stole that from him. Every other time its just him failing with fate magically saving him without him actually assisting meaningfully.
• Poe is almost interesting, almost. Tone down his goofy cavalier attitude and make him more aware of what he is supposed to be doing as a leader. Let him grow to be more than a "Bart Simpson with a blaster" character.
• Turn down Rey from a full fledged god to just a normal Jedi Knight. She beats Sith Lords in duels with no training, kills scores of elite force wielding assassins again with no training, lifts mountains with no training, basically could take out Vader in his prime based on her previous acts...all without a lick of training or experience. She is the DEFINITION of a "Mary Sue" and that gets old after 2 films. Watching an immortal all powerful god as a protagonist is boring, you know they will win anytime they want. Change that up.
• Undo the back story of Rey's parents. That's just such a smack in the face. Make that whole part of TLJ a lie or something. Doesn't have to be Luke but has to have some tie to the story.
• Kill Hux...omg i just feel bad for this guy now. Just have him trip and fall down a flight of stairs and out an airlock. He is a clown the way he has been written. Just let him die and replace him.
• Kylo needs to have more of an emotional center. His motivation cant just be "I wanna be like me Unca' Vader!!!" Give him some gravity, let his motivation be "The republic is corrupt, it controls while not actually solving anything. Its weak and wont stand if any real external threat arises (like they have in the books). I must instill order and defense. I must save the Galaxy. Make him believe what he is doing is for the greater good. Makes for a more compelling foil.

 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by zhamlau

[Get Marwood & I]

1 hour ago, zhamlau said:

So I took a look now that the dust has settled a little at the final numbers for TLJ and TFA. I predicted TLJ would not only lose almost 1 billion dollars off the pace of the last movie, but that it would cause such a fan revolt anything Kathleen Kennedy put her hands on would be boycotted too.

 

Numbers are in, judge for yourself.

• The Force Awakens: (Domestic Gross) $936 million , (Foreign Gross) $ 1.31 Billion........TOTAL: $2.23 Billion
• The Last Jedi: (Domestic Gross) $621 Million, (Foreign Gross) $712 Million.....................TOTAL: $1.33 Billion
• Solo: A Star Wars Story: (Domestic Gross) $213 Million , (Foreign Gross) $179 Million....TOTAL: $ 392 Million

Solo is actually a pretty good movie, like on par with TFA and night and day better then TJL....fans who saw it liked it. But i personally know many fans who didn't want to see it after the "TLJ" debacle of a film. People actually followed through and boycotted the film which many people were laughing at, as if it wasn't possible. Yeah, turns out it was very possible.

For Comparison, Rogue One (also an actually good movie) did over a billion dollars total domestic/foreign.... As a spin off story it made almost as much as TLJ, let that sink in. After Episode 8 however, the fans turned on KK and Disney. Now all future films are reportedly on hold and the studio is trying desperately to find someone willing to take over for KK but all suitable candidates are afraid of the media/twitter backlash of taking over.

So, here we sit. The universe we love has been likely mortally wounded. The product itself is goofy, poorly written, and unrecognizable to fans. The future of it is compromised and its options limited.

 

I think in final review the "fix" (whats even possible at this point) is simple:

• Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. Her judgement and vision are flawed which leads to bad/boring places.
• TLJ must be scrubbed and negated in the next film even MORE then TFA was by TLJ.
• Rian Johnson needs to never be put on true Star Wars again. Give him some hepster stupid side film with the star wars logo that has no tie to the actual main universe and let him fail off in a corner.
• Find a way to undo Luke dying, or make him a HUGE part of the next film like Obi Wan on steroids.
• Find a way to have Leia pass away early (cant have a full digital character) but DO NOT LET HER REVERT TO DEMI-GOD state again, no more Carrie Poppins blowing up bulk-heads with her mind and flying like Space Ghost. Give her a dignified way out.
• Find a way to make it so the hyperspace missile option cant happen again. It would make every space battle pointless. It was on some level the worst part of all star wars combined.
• Let Rose die, she is a poorly written character who goes from zapping cowards running away to potentially ending the resistance to save one dude who she barely knows. She leaves orphans to suffer but risks all to save space horses...flawed and pointless.
• Give Finn something to do other than being a bumbling fool. He almost did something heroic but Rose stole that from him. Every other time its just him failing with fate magically saving him without him actually assisting meaningfully.
• Poe is almost interesting, almost. Tone down his goofy cavalier attitude and make him more aware of what he is supposed to be doing as a leader. Let him grow to be more than a "Bart Simpson with a blaster" character.
• Turn down Rey from a full fledged god to just a normal Jedi Knight. She beats Sith Lords in duels with no training, kills scores of elite force wielding assassins again with no training, lifts mountains with no training, basically could take out Vader in his prime based on her previous acts...all without a lick of training or experience. She is the DEFINITION of a "Mary Sue" and that gets old after 2 films. Watching an immortal all powerful god as a protagonist is boring, you know they will win anytime they want. Change that up.
• Undo the back story of Rey's parents. That's just such a smack in the face. Make that whole part of TLJ a lie or something. Doesn't have to be Luke but has to have some tie to the story.
• Kill Hux...omg i just feel bad for this guy now. Just have him trip and fall down a flight of stairs and out an airlock. He is a clown the way he has been written. Just let him die and replace him.
• Kylo needs to have more of an emotional center. His motivation cant just be "I wanna be like me Unca' Vader!!!" Give him some gravity, let his motivation be "The republic is corrupt, it controls while not actually solving anything. Its weak and wont stand if any real external threat arises (like they have in the books). I must instill order and defense. I must save the Galaxy. Make him believe what he is doing is for the greater good. Makes for a more compelling foil.

 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

 

Thanks for sharing them!

Can I add one more please (and it's nothing to do with milking teats):

• Don't use instantly recognisable actors in bit parts. My suspension of disbelief was severely tested by Vivian off the Young Ones standing on the Star Destroyer bridge

[mattn792]

@zhamlau -- Appreciate the box office numbers and the opinions on how to move forward, but I think you're expecting way too much change.  What's done is done, there will be no de-TLJ'ing of the Star Wars universe unless Episode IX completely bombs.  And if I were placing a wager, I'd still say that IX will cross the $1 billion threshold even if it sucks worse than TLJ.  The Star Wars brand sells itself; I think Solo's lousy numbers are just an aberration (possibly a combo of no one being interested in a Han origin movie and/or not wanting to see anyone else play him other than Harrison Ford). 

[zhamlau]

14 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

@zhamlau -- Appreciate the box office numbers and the opinions on how to move forward, but I think you're expecting way too much change.  What's done is done, there will be no de-TLJ'ing of the Star Wars universe unless Episode IX completely bombs.  And if I were placing a wager, I'd still say that IX will cross the $1 billion threshold even if it sucks worse than TLJ.  The Star Wars brand sells itself; I think Solo's lousy numbers are just an aberration (possibly a combo of no one being interested in a Han origin movie and/or not wanting to see anyone else play him other than Harrison Ford). 

I think Disney looks at it not in terms of "hey it made a BILLION!"....they expect each of these films to make 1-2 billion each. This is what they paid for. What they are seeing I'm sure is the lost revenue. TLJ  most likely should have (in their eyes) done just under 2 billion. Solo should have done something approaching 1 billion ala Rogue One. To them, they are looking at potentially 1-1.5 billion dollars in expected revenue lost due to the mistakes of TJL. That's most of the profit they intended to make on these two films. These films cost 300-400 million each to make when you add up all costs including marketing. They aren't looking to break even, they aren't looking for ways to talk 500-600 million out of their pockets for TLJ alone.

The bombs already hit for them. That's why the panic. If this next film could have made like 1.7-1.8 billion and it comes in around 1.1-1.2 Billion instead due to people hating the decisions KK and RJ have made in the last episode, That's gonna gut punch The Mouse. Even they don't cheerfully throw away 1 billion dollars.

This film changed the profit trajectory of the franchise. Id love to see how toy and marketing sales are going for these properties...I'm betting pretty poorly also. Those funds being lost will eventually cause upheaval.

[mattn792]

26 minutes ago, zhamlau said:

I think Disney looks at it not in terms of "hey it made a BILLION!"....they expect each of these films to make 1-2 billion each. This is what they paid for. What they are seeing I'm sure is the lost revenue. TLJ  most likely should have (in their eyes) done just under 2 billion. Solo should have done something approaching 1 billion ala Rogue One. To them, they are looking at potentially 1-1.5 billion dollars in expected revenue lost due to the mistakes of TJL. That's most of the profit they intended to make on these two films. These films cost 300-400 million each to make when you add up all costs including marketing. They aren't looking to break even, they aren't looking for ways to talk 500-600 million out of their pockets for TLJ alone.

The bombs already hit for them. That's why the panic. If this next film could have made like 1.7-1.8 billion and it comes in around 1.1-1.2 Billion instead due to people hating the decisions KK and RJ have made in the last episode, That's gonna gut punch The Mouse. Even they don't cheerfully throw away 1 billion dollars.

This film changed the profit trajectory of the franchise. Id love to see how toy and marketing sales are going for these properties...I'm betting pretty poorly also. Those funds being lost will eventually cause upheaval.

Honestly I hope you're right, because I agree that TLJ was a massive opportunity lost.  TFA was released and became the top grossing domestic film of all time, foibles and all.  Star Wars was fun again.  No more trade routes or force carrying bacteria or creepy Uncle Palpatine moments.  The stage was set for TLJ to explode, and instead it floundered.

[WernerVonDoom]

7 hours ago, zhamlau said:

So I took a look now that the dust has settled a little at the final numbers for TLJ and TFA. I predicted TLJ would not only lose almost 1 billion dollars off the pace of the last movie, but that it would cause such a fan revolt anything Kathleen Kennedy put her hands on would be boycotted too.

 

Numbers are in, judge for yourself.

• The Force Awakens: (Domestic Gross) $936 million , (Foreign Gross) $ 1.31 Billion........TOTAL: $2.23 Billion
• The Last Jedi: (Domestic Gross) $621 Million, (Foreign Gross) $712 Million.....................TOTAL: $1.33 Billion
• Solo: A Star Wars Story: (Domestic Gross) $213 Million , (Foreign Gross) $179 Million....TOTAL: $ 392 Million

Solo is actually a pretty good movie, like on par with TFA and night and day better then TJL....fans who saw it liked it. But i personally know many fans who didn't want to see it after the "TLJ" debacle of a film. People actually followed through and boycotted the film which many people were laughing at, as if it wasn't possible. Yeah, turns out it was very possible.

For Comparison, Rogue One (also an actually good movie) did over a billion dollars total domestic/foreign.... As a spin off story it made almost as much as TLJ, let that sink in. After Episode 8 however, the fans turned on KK and Disney. Now all future films are reportedly on hold and the studio is trying desperately to find someone willing to take over for KK but all suitable candidates are afraid of the media/twitter backlash of taking over.

So, here we sit. The universe we love has been likely mortally wounded. The product itself is goofy, poorly written, and unrecognizable to fans. The future of it is compromised and its options limited.

 

I think in final review the "fix" (whats even possible at this point) is simple:

• Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. Her judgement and vision are flawed which leads to bad/boring places.
• TLJ must be scrubbed and negated in the next film even MORE then TFA was by TLJ.
• Rian Johnson needs to never be put on true Star Wars again. Give him some hepster stupid side film with the star wars logo that has no tie to the actual main universe and let him fail off in a corner.
• Find a way to undo Luke dying, or make him a HUGE part of the next film like Obi Wan on steroids.
• Find a way to have Leia pass away early (cant have a full digital character) but DO NOT LET HER REVERT TO DEMI-GOD state again, no more Carrie Poppins blowing up bulk-heads with her mind and flying like Space Ghost. Give her a dignified way out.
• Find a way to make it so the hyperspace missile option cant happen again. It would make every space battle pointless. It was on some level the worst part of all star wars combined.
• Let Rose die, she is a poorly written character who goes from zapping cowards running away to potentially ending the resistance to save one dude who she barely knows. She leaves orphans to suffer but risks all to save space horses...flawed and pointless.
• Give Finn something to do other than being a bumbling fool. He almost did something heroic but Rose stole that from him. Every other time its just him failing with fate magically saving him without him actually assisting meaningfully.
• Poe is almost interesting, almost. Tone down his goofy cavalier attitude and make him more aware of what he is supposed to be doing as a leader. Let him grow to be more than a "Bart Simpson with a blaster" character.
• Turn down Rey from a full fledged god to just a normal Jedi Knight. She beats Sith Lords in duels with no training, kills scores of elite force wielding assassins again with no training, lifts mountains with no training, basically could take out Vader in his prime based on her previous acts...all without a lick of training or experience. She is the DEFINITION of a "Mary Sue" and that gets old after 2 films. Watching an immortal all powerful god as a protagonist is boring, you know they will win anytime they want. Change that up.
• Undo the back story of Rey's parents. That's just such a smack in the face. Make that whole part of TLJ a lie or something. Doesn't have to be Luke but has to have some tie to the story.
• Kill Hux...omg i just feel bad for this guy now. Just have him trip and fall down a flight of stairs and out an airlock. He is a clown the way he has been written. Just let him die and replace him.
• Kylo needs to have more of an emotional center. His motivation cant just be "I wanna be like me Unca' Vader!!!" Give him some gravity, let his motivation be "The republic is corrupt, it controls while not actually solving anything. Its weak and wont stand if any real external threat arises (like they have in the books). I must instill order and defense. I must save the Galaxy. Make him believe what he is doing is for the greater good. Makes for a more compelling foil.

 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

 

 

 

 

Great post! And you can count me as one of those who boycotted Solo specifically because of TLJ.  5 years ago, if anyone had said i wouldn't see a star wars movie in the theater, I would have laughed in their face.  

[Larryw7]

8 hours ago, mattn792 said:

Honestly I hope you're right, because I agree that TLJ was a massive opportunity lost.  TFA was released and became the top grossing domestic film of all time, foibles and all.  Star Wars was fun again.  No more trade routes or force carrying bacteria or creepy Uncle Palpatine moments.  The stage was set for TLJ to explode, and instead it floundered.

I loved the creepy Palpatine moments. It made the Prequels worth watching.

[Prince Namor]

21 hours ago, zhamlau said:

Now all future films are reportedly on hold and the studio is trying desperately to find someone willing to take over for KK but all suitable candidates are afraid of the media/twitter backlash of taking over.

 

Complete fabrication. There is nothing out of Disney that verifies this at all. 

Principle filming for Episode IX began on August 1st. Rian Johnson's deal is still on. If KK goes anywhere, it'll be because she decides to, and right now she has no plans to.

You can post BS if you want, but there's always a chance someone is going to call you out on it.

[october]

11 minutes ago, Chuck Gower said:

Complete fabrication. There is nothing out of Disney that verifies this at all. 

Principle filming for Episode IX began on August 1st. Rian Johnson's deal is still on. If KK goes anywhere, it'll be because she decides to, and right now she has no plans to.

You can post BS if you want, but there's always a chance someone is going to call you out on it.

No, I think he's right. Nobody wants to take over the Star Wars franchise because of what people might say on Twitter. 

Where do people come up with this stuff?

[fantastic_four]

9 minutes ago, Chuck Gower said:

Complete fabrication. There is nothing out of Disney that verifies this at all. 

Principle filming for Episode IX began on August 1st. Rian Johnson's deal is still on. If KK goes anywhere, it'll be because she decides to, and right now she has no plans to.

You can post BS if you want, but there's always a chance someone is going to call you out on it.

The one truth to what he said I've heard is that the spinoff films are now all on hold, but yea, he stated it in a blanket way as if the main storyline films were also on hold.  And the idea of them booting KK is a rabid fanboy dream unlikely to ever happen as long as the films are profitable.

[Prince Namor]

1 minute ago, october said:

No, I think he's right. Nobody wants to take over the Star Wars franchise because of what people might say on Twitter. 

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Exactly. When the job for running the Star Wars Universe becomes available again, there will be no shortage of people who want that job.

[fantastic_four]

I mostly wonder what Kathleen Kennedy thinks about the fan criticism of Last Jedi versus the prequels since she was around to hear all of it.  To my ears it all sounds like the same kind of hardcore fan complaining, but I'm sure she's got a much more refined view of it.

My best guess would be that she's overall more pleased with Last Jedi than any of the prequels.  Revenue adjusted for inflation is way up over Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, the critical acclaim was MUCH higher for Last Jedi, and the Cinemascore polling for Last Jedi was better at A than it was for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith with both at A-Minus.  The only way the prequels outperformed Last Jedi was the domestic box office for Phantom Menace, but given the two decades of pent-up fan demand for new films, it's difficult to imagine Last Jedi ever making it to Phantom Menace levels regardless of quality.

Edited August 28, 2018 by fantastic_four

[Prince Namor]

6 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

The one truth to what he said I've heard is that the spinoff films are now all on hold...

 

That rumor was started by the clickbait site Collider, and numerous sources picked it up as a way to get people to come to THEIR sites. As Collider put it "Sources with knowledge of the situation". LOL.

There's no confirmation by Disney this is true and Rian Johnson claims it is fanboy fabrication. 

[fantastic_four]

Has Disney attached any dates to any spin-offs?  The only one I had seen info about was Boba Fett with Mangold being attached to write and direct it, but I had never heard any dates.

[Prince Namor]

2 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

I mostly wonder what Kathleen Kennedy thinks about the fan criticism of Last Jedi versus the prequels since she was around to hear all of it.  To my ears it all sounds like the same kind of hardcore fan complaining, but I'm sure she's got a much more refined view of it.

My best guess would be that she's overall more pleased with Last Jedi than any of the prequels.  Revenue adjusted for inflation is way up over Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, the critical acclaim was MUCH higher for Last Jedi, and the Cinemascore polling for Last Jedi was better at A than it was for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith with both at A-Minus.  The only way the prequels outperformed Last Jedi was the domestic box office for Phantom Menace, but given the two decades of pent-up fan demand for new films, it's difficult to imagine Last Jedi ever making it to Phantom Menace levels regardless of quality.

Yep. And it was never going to compete with Force Awakens numbers, that was years of waiting for a new Star Wars film. Very few movies ever will compete with those numbers.

[Prince Namor]

2 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

Has Disney attached any dates to any spin-offs?  The only one I had seen info about was Boba Fett with Mangold being attached to write and direct it, but I had never heard any dates.

I'm sure their focus is primarily on Episode IX - releasing Solo as summer movie made a huge gap in their one per year Star Wars Schedule. We'll still get one per year, but the one after IX probably won't be until December 2020. And that's a long ways off to be all that specific about dates.

[zhamlau]

Angry contrarian screed!!!!  SCREAMING PARTISAN ANGER!!!!!!!

Meh, I don't really feel the need to play the game anymore with some of you. Lets not get personal, its a dam star wars movie thread. If you feel you cant disagree without getting personal, you have issues and probably need to take a step back.

As for a response to the case being laid out....

Long and short the films as i shown have done poorly as they progress. There are countless articles pointing out that "making lots less money than expected is bad for Disney".  Even if you don't agree and are dismayed at the notion they would consider replacing an under performing executive, its fair to say that routinely happens in boardrooms across this nation when expectations aren't being meet. KK is not meeting expectations, if she was we wouldnt be having these conversations all across the internet. 

As to the notion that spinoff films have been put on hold... As of this month Ewan McGregor said he doesn't know of an official Obi-Wan movie being made (stated live on "The View") which would indicate its not moving forward at this time (even though last year they started scouting locations according to multiple reports). Neil Lamont, a production designer for lucasfilm said a movie spinoff he was working on was put on hold (again just this month). Either Ewan and this Lucasfilm employee are lying, or at least SOME spinoffs being planned before have been put on hold after the flop of KK's Solo. 

The facts are the films have under performed greatly. TJL is nearly 1 billion dollars off the pace of the TFA even though it had every historically positive tailwind behind it (loyal fans, good lead in, favorable release date, world class marketing). Rogue one did nearly 3 times what Solo did, and both were very good movies. Before TLJ spinoff's do well it, after TLJ they crash and burn.

The only thing you can try to hang your hat on is to try and discredit the sources that say Disney wanted to remove KK due to very poor performance of the product she is producing and the chaos (firing directors in mid filming, etc) she brings. That's fine, I get it. If you want we can all concede no one reading this was at any of the meetings or have anything but well groomed sources supporting our opinions.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by zhamlau

[fantastic_four]

They're not going to fire the most accomplished female producer in Hollywood history handpicked by Lucas to helm his company just because of Solo and the same handful of fringe fans that screamed throughout the aughts about the prequels.  Her resume is almost unparalleled and reads like a highlight list of box office smashes.  She's been in the top ten of the top box office list among all producers for three decades and is currently second behind Feige.  Third on the all-time list is her husband Frank Marshall.

Fans need to focus their ire somewhere else.  Kennedy is untouchable.  It's like idle speculation about how the Warriors will be trading Steph Curry or the Patriots will be trading Tom Brady because they didn't win the Finals or Super Bowl by enough points.  

Edited August 28, 2018 by fantastic_four