General discussion thread - keep the other threads clean 29 29

[seanfingh]

 

H8ers gonna hate.

 

Also, pricing stuff ridiculously low works well. The arses, they tight around here.

[Snake Eyes]

H8ers gonna hate.

 

Also, pricing stuff ridiculously low works well. The arses, they tight around here.

 

Sorry, been snacking this morning

 

 

And yes...low, low prices are quite effective. However, FREE works even better (and you best not make me pay shipping!)

[Dr_Neff]

OK, I have some questions after reading your eBay page, are you a Dr, or a Police officer? and if you are promoting comics for kids (which is a lovely idea)...wouldn't it be more appropriate to remove the racy pictures from your eBay page?

 

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=heidi.spidey

 

 

 

We went through that in the, now deleted, thread.

 

People asked real, concrete, cogent, and reasonable questions and they were responded to with snarky, insolent, and defensive responses that were VERY short on answers and long on pot shots, cross accusations, and foggy logic.

 

When I specifically pointed out that he was using the "Comics4Kids" banner in his auctions and right next to them he was selling Traci Lords Porno Movie posters from films where she was a minor (yes that's child porn) and that the movies that were the subject of those posters were seized by the FBI as child pornography he decided to call them "art" like the Maplethorpe images that caused a ruckus decades ago, and defended the movie posters as artwork.

 

He blew right past how auctions run under the auspices of helping children might be hindered by selling, at the same time, posters from films that turned out to be child pornography.

 

Runs auctions for kids, runs auctions for this stuff, side by side, no qualms, not a second thought.

 

He actually thanked the thread, for all the hits those posters were getting. Classy, mature, and utterly and devastatingly unaware of how his words were torpedoing any shot he had at being taken seriously.

 

 

 

The thread has been since deleted, to the benefit of Mr. Moore. Anyone who saw it probably had their jaws drop with the same "thud" that mine did.

 

Now he wants all questions and correspondence to be completed by email only.

 

If I were him, I would too...publicly he's taken a wrecking ball to himself, might as well do it in private too.

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2012 by Dr_Neff

[comix4fun]

OK, I have some questions after reading your eBay page, are you a Dr, or a Police officer? and if you are promoting comics for kids (which is a lovely idea)...wouldn't it be more appropriate to remove the racy pictures from your eBay page?

 

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=heidi.spidey

 

 

 

We went through that in the, now deleted, thread.

 

People asked real, concrete, cogent, and reasonable questions and they were responded to with snarky, insolent, and defensive responses that were VERY short on answers and long on pot shots, cross accusations, and foggy logic.

 

When I specifically pointed out that he was using the "Comics4Kids" banner in his auctions and right next to them he was selling Traci Lords Porno Movie posters from films where she was a minor (yes that's child porn) and that the movies that were the subject of those posters were seized by the FBI as child pornography he decided to call them "art" like the Maplethorpe images that caused a ruckus decades ago, and defended the movie posters as artwork.

 

He blew right past how auctions run under the auspices of helping children might be hindered by selling, at the same time, posters from films that turned out to be child pornography.

 

Runs auctions for kids, runs auctions for this stuff, side by side, no qualms, not a second thought.

 

He actually thanked the thread, for all the hits those posters were getting. Classy, mature, and utterly and devastatingly unaware of how his words were torpedoing any shot he had at being taken seriously.

 

 

 

The thread has been since deleted, to the benefit of Mr. Moore. Anyone who saw it probably had their jaws drop with the same "thud" that mine did.

 

Now he wants all questions and correspondence to be completed by email only.

 

If I were him, I would too...publicly he's taken a wrecking ball to himself, might as well do it in private too.

 

 

 

 

Glad you are taking it seriously. It bodes well for the future.

 

Oh...and I almost forgot to mention about that deleted thread, when you accused Dr. Balls of being a racist because he used the term "people like you" and you stated "what does my being black have to do with this?".

 

So was that accurate? Was it really?

 

 

 

 

BECAUSE I AM NOT SEEING IT! (From the one of the Diamond Scoop Articles you keep linking to.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to keep the Porn Poster Shrine up and running. (thumbs u It screams, "let's help the kids".

[nocutename]

I missed all this. Can someone give me a brief recap of what happened? Thanks.

 

Here it is for ease of folks checking it out, and if questions/concerns remain.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5371936#Post5371936

 

 

Well he's deleted ALL of the "Rah!! Rah!! Let's do it for the kids" and "Wizard and GPA and CGC and Harley Yee have all donated to the cause".

 

Now it's straight for sale thread without all the implications that these auctions are for charity. Probably for the best since he couldn't/refused to answer very simple questions about what the money was for, how it was going to be used, etc.

 

People were donating books, listing them in that original thread, assuming it was going directly to the kids. I don't think they ever got an answer. I don't think that was an accident.

[8milemax]

I've seen CGC give books with that length crease a 5.0. But maybe a 5.5/6.0 on a good day.

 

It's not always about the technical grade. I'd buy 5.0s and 6.0s that looked like this book all day long.

 

Would you be willing to pay multiples of what the book is worth?

 

I believe that the point is that you can't decide what a book is worth solely on the technical grade. There's more to it than that. Sure it's a consideration but worth or value isn't that one-dimensional. That would be analogous to saying that two houses with the same square-footage side-by-side on the same street should be worth the same price regardless of any other factors like finish or curb appeal. I can tell you that it doesn't work that way. Value is whatever two people, a buyer and a seller, agree to in an at-arms-length transaction.

 

But why offer it to other board members 4-5x the value of the book? This isn't Ebay

[Jim Corrigan]

I've seen CGC give books with that length crease a 5.0. But maybe a 5.5/6.0 on a good day.

 

It's not always about the technical grade. I'd buy 5.0s and 6.0s that looked like this book all day long.

 

Would you be willing to pay multiples of what the book is worth?

 

I believe that the point is that you can't decide what a book is worth solely on the technical grade. There's more to it than that. Sure it's a consideration but worth or value isn't that one-dimensional. That would be analogous to saying that two houses with the same square-footage side-by-side on the same street should be worth the same price regardless of any other factors like finish or curb appeal. I can tell you that it doesn't work that way. Value is whatever two people, a buyer and a seller, agree to in an at-arms-length transaction.

 

But why offer it to other board members 4-5x the value of the book? This isn't Ebay

 

So it's your opinion that a fair value for this book would be in the range of $1000 to $1250, correct? According to GPA, that range falls between the 12-month average prices for CGC 6.5 books and CGC 7.0 books. If that's how you would value this book, that's fine. I respect that. Value is different to everyone. I value it differently. When I look at this book, I see a book that has more appeal than most 9.0s I've seen and as much appeal as many 9.2s... except for the crease on the back. And the 12-month average for a CGC 9.2 is almost $7500. So the real question is how much does that crease on the back, which is hardly ever seen, reduce the value of the book. And my answer is certainly not by $6250 or $6500.

 

I didn't set the price at $5000 to disrespect the members of this forum. Quite the contrary. I doubt if there's a more savvy group of comic fans and collectors anywhere on the Internet. I also didn't set the price so that the first person that came across this thread would buy that book. The price is set so that, hopefully, a majority of the forum members who are in the market for such a book will have an opportunity to see the scans, ask questions and if they're interested, make what to them is a reasonable offer. The person that ends up buying this book (and most likely not for $5000) will appreciate that I set the price where I did because it gave them the opportunity to see it and buy it. And, whoever ends up buying this book will be happy with it because they will have an Avengers 4 which, for all intents and purposes, looks like a 9.0 to 9.2 for less than they would have otherwise had to pay.

 

So, the reality is that I'm not so much offering it to the other board members at $5000 as I am giving everyone an opportunity to decide how much they might want to offer. Still, if someone offers me $5000 for it, it's definitely theirs.

[TrippyMcSkippy-migration]

It is sussexgent's property. He can ask anything he wants for it.

[faster friends]

I'll go $450

[TrippyMcSkippy-migration]

Im always partial to $69

[AGGIEZ]

[Snake Eyes]

 

Neff had a thread up for awhile indicating that some books were at CGC and coming back soon. Sales would fund his charity called comics for kids. Also, he solicited additional donations from boardies.

 

Thread stayed pretty dormant for awhile (and think boardies went easy on him for a number of listing violations due to the charitable nature of the endeavor). Fast forward a week or two, I think and books are listed. Some books are listed as already sold (without prices and the previous indication of it being an auction).

 

Some questions ensue as to how this occurred. Answers were a bit dodgy. Further digging (once people's radars went up) found some weird eBay listings (including advertisment for some salacious materials including a young Traci Lords prior to the age of 18). Also, it became less clear if any funds were being used to pay for the charity itself or the poster's personal expenses on a trip to a Comic convention.

 

Some more , , and followed. Apparently, some other boardies had dealt with his charity before (or at least offered advise on making it an IRS friendly endeavor). More shifty responses from the OP and a cancellation of his sales moving everything to eBay. Further digging revealed links to an organization that is out of compliance/registeration with local authorities/agencies. Also, it has not been registered appropriately with the IRS to make donations tax deductible.

 

 

Now, keep in mind this was a process that evolved over a bit of time and my memory may be off...I am sure folks will correct any errors I made The long and the short of it is that reassuring answers never really were posted and the OP kept insisting on resolution through email/PM. So no real answers, but certainly some flags to be cautious in my opinion.

[Mark 1]

In the interest of commenting on the obvious...the price on that Avengers 4 is seriously out of line. It's one thing trying to get a premium for a hot book...this is something different.

 

Sorry to post this but I feel in some way to protect any possible unknowing people this is wrong...

[Columbia Comics]

In the interest of commenting on the obvious...the price on that Avengers 4 is seriously out of line. It's one thing trying to get a premium for a hot book...this is something different.

 

Sorry to post this but I feel in some way to protect any possible unknowing people this is wrong...

 

+1 If you truly feel it's worth your ask, don't sell it b/c no one on this forum is going to buy...or frankly, make an offer that's even remotely fair.

 

Also, I question whether the seller would guarantee that this book is unrestored. $5k or not, that's a lot of money to be taking a chance on a raw book. No one is saying it is or isn't...just something to consider to relieve some potential concerns others may have.

 

 

[tortoise]

[Moetown]

Out of curiosity, you mentioned Matt Nelson rendered his services/grading opinoin on Avengers #16, did he by chance do the same with #4?

[VintageComics]

In the interest of commenting on the obvious...the price on that Avengers 4 is seriously out of line. It's one thing trying to get a premium for a hot book...this is something different.

 

Sorry to post this but I feel in some way to protect any possible unknowing people this is wrong...

 

+1 If you truly feel it's worth your ask, don't sell it b/c no one on this forum is going to buy...or frankly, make an offer that's even remotely fair.

 

Also, I question whether the seller would guarantee that this book is unrestored. $5k or not, that's a lot of money to be taking a chance on a raw book. No one is saying it is or isn't...just something to consider to relieve some potential concerns others may have.

 

 

There is a fine line between customer protection and becoming a police state.

 

Some of these posts might best be delivered via PM otherwise you open the door to all kinds of trash talk in threads. Not that these posts are an example of that, but IMHO opening the doors is the problem here even if I agree with the two of you.

 

In the seller's defence, he is posting reasonably sized scans and descriptions of the books and anyone spending 4 or 5 figures on a book should know what they are doing if they are parting with their dough.

 

The reason I mention this is because I used to sell a lot of very expensive books on here raw and quite succesfully. CGC graded books are a great option but they are not the only option.

 

Anyway, just a few thoughts from my end.

 

 

[Jim Corrigan]

Out of curiosity, you mentioned Matt Nelson rendered his services/grading opinoin on Avengers #16, did he by chance do the same with #4?

 

I don't believe I ever sent that book to Matt. I got that AV 4 in a trade with a Baseball Card/Comic shop in North Carolina that I used to do business with around 1990 and I don't think that it's been out of my possession since then. On the other hand, I understand that someone might wonder about restoration on a pricey book and it's a legitimate concern. I've been burned before on a couple of books although they were worth much less than this one. I have been around the block enough times to not be surprised by anything that happens although I can assure you that I would be very disappointed in the people that I used to do business with.

 

So, with that in mind, I wouldn't be opposed to providing reasonable assurances against that possibility to any buyer. I can check with the local museums to see if they have anyone on staff qualified to make that determination. What are your thoughts?

[Columbia Comics]

Maybe so Roy. But the difference in this case is about 51,000 posts and tons of deals done prior to a potential $5k transaction

 

[tortoise]

Out of curiosity, you mentioned Matt Nelson rendered his services/grading opinoin on Avengers #16, did he by chance do the same with #4?

 

I don't believe I ever sent that book to Matt. I got that AV 4 in a trade with a Baseball Card/Comic shop in North Carolina that I used to do business with around 1990 and I don't think that it's been out of my possession since then. On the other hand, I understand that someone might wonder about restoration on a pricey book and it's a legitimate concern. I've been burned before on a couple of books although they were worth much less than this one. I have been around the block enough times to not be surprised by anything that happens although I can assure you that I would be very disappointed in the people that I used to do business with.

 

So, with that in mind, I wouldn't be opposed to providing reasonable assurances against that possibility to any buyer. I can check with the local museums to see if they have anyone on staff qualified to make that determination. What are your thoughts?

 

If you're not 100% sure it's unrestored you have no business offering it (imo). Get it graded then re-list it.