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General discussion thread - keep the other threads clean
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GLCBrad

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Lee was just a tough negotiator that held people to their word on grades

 

Well, no.

 

He bought books at specified grades, claimed they were over-graded, pocketed partial refunds, and then resold them at higher grades than the ones attributed by the original seller. That's not negotiating - that's scamming.

 

Truer words...

 

Bosco, I've never seen you to be anything but level-headed, fair and intelligent on the boards.

In this case, however, I believe you purchased a bill of goods

pretty certain he was quoting the dad here

 

Correct!

 

I read that all wrong- as if you were empathetic to dad.

 

In that case, you haven't changed a bit, you reasonable and level-headed so and so!!!

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thehumantorch

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Good to hear your conversation was positive. Let's hope they follow through on correcting his son's mistakes and everyone here is paid back what is owed.

 

I had promised to pass along the father's concerns and requests, along with clarifying on the SPAM email he had no idea this had been sent. If he is playing me, then he is the best actor I have ever happened across.

 

From the concern in his voice, I do not believe this was an act.

 

Your instinct is likely accurate. He probably is concerned for his son's welfare and is trying to be a great dad, but he doesn't understand our hobby and like most parents, he has trouble perceiving his son as dishonest.

 

GIJOEISAWESOME'SDAD, your son lied to join this community and lied in many of his transactions with members and is now lying to you.

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slym2none

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in dad's own words he kept close watch of his son's dealings on the boards including all emails and private messages that his son received. He KNEW his son was lying about everything. I don't buy his BS for a second.

 

I am a natural cynic, and I totally agree with you. wildly_fanciful_statement all the way.

 

 

 

-slym

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thirdgreenham

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Interesting enough, I just got off the phone with GIJOEISAWESOME's dad while driving home from a conference. He was trying to call me today after hearing about the SPAM email. We spoke for about 40 minutes.

 

  • A very nice fellow that sincerely cares about his son's well-being, conduct, and how he is perceived.
     
  • He understands people are upset that a 12 year-old boy led them to believe he was a 40 year-old man, and that some transactions did not go as planned.
     
  • He also feels horrible reading what is being said about his son, though he is trying to balance this with the fact people feel betrayed how Lee represented himself. So he is reading this thread only because it involves his son's reputation, and wanting to understand better what happened that went so bad.
     
  • They are having discussions about how to learn from this experience. And that doesn't mean "how to scam better in the future". It does mean how to represent yourself honestly and with the best intentions.
     
  • Bryan feels horrible that due to this situation, his son is cut off from engaging on this forum, where he could learn about comics while buying, selling and trading.

  • He asked for people to be fair and reflect on all the solid transactions Lee has had on here, and not just the ones that were brought up as representative of a scam.
     
  • When I emailed him at his real estate account, he forwarded this to his gmail so as to respond later on. We are now thinking his Gmail account is hacked, and he wants to address this so nobody else experiences the same problems. His story makes sense as when I went back to forward that email to the person wanting to analyze it, the sending email address is from Gmail.

 

If anything, the father just wanted someone to provide these details so it is clear he was not involved in some scam, Lee was just a tough negotiator that held people to their word on grades, and he hopes people can be more forgiving than vindictive about the situation.

 

Yours to do with as you see fit. I had promised to pass this along because he was so polite, sincere, and worried about his son's reputation and learning from the situation.

 

 

Thanks for gathering the info Nick. I want to preface the upcoming tirade by saying his isn't directed at you in any way.

 

He's mistaken on a couple of points.

 

One as Schmidt said, he wasn't holding anyone to proper grades. If he was, when he sold the books he'd sell them at lower grades than when bought, not higher.

 

Two, the bold section above, it's not because of this situation that he's banned. This forum is for adults, 18 and over, and children do not have the legal capacity to enter in to contracts and transactions. The only way he was able to gain access to this forum was by lying, when he signed up, and stating he was 18.

 

This "horrible situation" would have never happened had he been honest enough in those first minutes of signing up and realizing this is not a place for a 12 year old.

 

The father may be on the up and up in this, but the child created some of the most intricately detailed lies to conceal himself and (in some cases) for no reason at all.

 

The first moment of sign up was a lie.

Who he held himself out to be was a lie.

His hay bailing business? A lie.

His children? A lie.

40 years old? Lie

 

Frankly, the "solid transactions" we're supposed to dwell upon were all based on a lie. From their most basic origins people believed they were dealing with someone else entirely. How can a transaction be "solid" when it's built on a foundation of pure balderdash?

 

His argument for leniency and what he wants people to remember when thinking of their interactions sounds a lot like...."Cool Books"....as if all that deception, and the deceptions heaped upon deceptions don't matter because "I got my cool books".

 

Much of what I'm hearing sounds like "not my kid", which is unfortunate given the length and breadth of the prevarications perpetrated across the entirety of these boards.

I think you make some solid points here.

No offense on you, Nick, but I call BS on the father. Anyone can sound sincere on the phone. His father wasn't saying this on his Facebook posts, when he was commenting on how great his son was by having everyone on the site thinking he was an adult. Also he stated he monitored the email activity, so he knew what BS his son was flinging.

 

This whole thing is making me so angry I can feel my testes starting to tort.

 

I'm going to go bale some hay before I pass the point of no return.

 

lol

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lizards2

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Did I mention already that this kid is a sociopath?

 

That's why he fit in so well.

 

 

I disagree. A smarter sociopath would still be here 2c

 

Like you?? :think:

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Logan510

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Did I mention already that this kid is a sociopath?

 

That's why he fit in so well.

 

 

I disagree. A smarter sociopath would still be here 2c

 

Like you?? :think:

 

I'm a lover, not a liar :blush:

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oakman29

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Did I mention already that this kid is a sociopath?

 

That's why he fit in so well.

 

 

I disagree. A smarter sociopath would still be here 2c

 

Like you?? :think:

 

I'm a lover, not a liar :blush:

You're something alright. lol

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ChiSoxFan

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As a change from the GIJOE saga, we return to our regularly scheduled program of one post sellers hawking high end books.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7442031&fpart=1

 

Some of these types slink quietly away when they are called out. This ain't one of those. :popcorn:

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