Bomber-Bob Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr. Zipper said: From what I've heard from reliable sources, it was due to the others company's policy on noting conservation vs. restoration. For the record, I'm not a fan of Richie Muchin. He burned me on a Sgt. Fury 1 and Hulk 6 with undisclosed restoration -- NOT conservation. And now CGC also distinguishes between conservation and restoration. See, competition is good for the hobby. BTW, I concur on Richie. greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 29 minutes ago, 1950's war comics said: What few brand echh from the new start up company that i have looked at looked inferior to the same grade as CGC.. i love CGC, i have spent about 4 minutes on the brand echh chat boards but if i were to hang out there more often i would not be bragging about how CGC is their equal ........ no i would not have the audacity to do that nor to post facepalm emoji 's when a dealer like tomorrows treasure whom vehemently railed against CGC and then all of a sudden gets most his stock graded by brand echhh i read between the lines, he did not initially get the stated grades that he wanted from CGC so he stayed raw and hated on CGC,.....and then when a new company starts up suddenly he's all in....hmmmmmm The Tomorrow's Treasure comment is explained below in another post. You state you love CGC, that's cool, but again why the hate for Voldi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said: The Tomorrow's Treasure comment is explained below in another post. You state you love CGC, that's cool, but again why the hate for Voldi ? If i mentioned that i hated them well that might be too strong a word , i try not to hate anything.... brand echhh is just a non entity to me along with halo vault and pgx.... i would never buy a comic from any of those four,..maybe its just me but i doubt i'm alone , when i see any of the competitors listings on eBay, comic link etc.. i i don't even pause to look, just scroll right past till i see some AWESOME CGC GOODNESS !!!! FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 9/12/2017 at 9:27 PM, comicquant said: I just started collecting in 2016 and one of the first stories I came across in researching slabbing in general was how shady PGX is, was and will most likely continue to be. Most PGX slabs look about three bumps over graded. While Voldy doesn't have the bad rap PGX does they're in the same boat when it comes to trusting the grade you buy. I have some REALLY bad news for you Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Please .. if you buy graded comics make sure of one thing ... make sure it is FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, 1950's war comics said: Please .. if you buy graded comics make sure of one thing ... make sure it is SMH.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Old Fashion PB and J Posted September 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2017 If there is one thing I can assure the new members here of, it is this. If you believe that Steve B can not grade, throw away all of you non modern CGC books pre 2012. RIGHT IN THE TRASH. Some of you are obviously not here to learn and just want to spout off your asinine ramblings and are turning this into a facebook comic book collecting, which may possibly be rock bottom. thehumantorch, zosocane, Larryw7 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackenzie999 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said: I do agree, it would be cool, but....I think the cost of the slab would prohibit a $5 each level. I'm just guessing they would be at the $15 level to break even, probably $20 to make a nominal profit. Add the cost of shipping and the fact that the slabs are heavy and it's just not worth it. Are you sure about cost? Plastic is generally inexpensive, there's no printing involved, and I always assumed the bulk of what you were paying for was the expertise of the graders. Really all you need are blank shells and an operator to seal them. I could easily be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I'd be surprised if they couldn't hit the $5 mark. I think fraud would be the biggest issue, I'm a designer and it would take me about 30 seconds to fake a label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Zipper Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mackenzie999 said: Are you sure about cost? Plastic is generally inexpensive, there's no printing involved, and I always assumed the bulk of what you were paying for was the expertise of the graders. Really all you need are blank shells and an operator to seal them. I could easily be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I'd be surprised if they couldn't hit the $5 mark It's not the plastic, the cost is all tied up in "the process" of moving the comic from receipt of the submission to the final shipping out and all the QA and security steps in-between. No way that's going to happen for $5 a book. Bear in mind, whether the book is being graded or not, they still need to follow every step to ensure the right book gets back to the right submitter in the condition it was received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizards2 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, Mackenzie999 said: Are you sure about cost? Plastic is generally inexpensive, there's no printing involved, and I always assumed the bulk of what you were paying for was the expertise of the graders. Really all you need are blank shells and an operator to seal them. I could easily be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I'd be surprised if they couldn't hit the $5 mark. I think fraud would be the biggest issue, I'm a designer and it would take me about 30 seconds to fake a label. I'll sell you my empty outer wells. Inner wells too, if you want them. Old Fashion PB and J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 10 hours ago, shadroch said: You can only have one best girl! Or one best girl for each day of the week lizards2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) I just want to Clarify that CGC is the # 1 grading company to me. I had my Detective 27 on ebay as a raw EX restored 4.5 in 2007. I live 45 north of SF and 600k houses where selling for cheap and I wanted to buy a 2nd home. The Tec 27 only got to 17k with a 25k reserve. I drove to pgx so I could have my books back in 1 day i thought with a 3rd party opinion would get the book to reach my 25k reserve that's why they are graded by pgx. I have no problem sending the books to CGC when I want to sell if it gets a CGC grade drop to 3.5 I don't care. I am a collector and don't need money now that I never got my 2nd home. Edited September 14, 2017 by woowoo comicquant and jmg3637 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicquant Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. Zipper said: It's not the plastic, the cost is all tied up in "the process" of moving the comic from receipt of the submission to the final shipping out and all the QA and security steps in-between. No way that's going to happen for $5 a book. Bear in mind, whether the book is being graded or not, they still need to follow every step to ensure the right book gets back to the right submitter in the condition it was received. I'm sure the insurance has a lot to do with pricing and tier breakdown. I have no idea what the insurance structure would look like but I would think CGC opts for some sort of coverage which ebbs and flows depending on which books are on premise. It seems like thats what would drive the % FMV for books over $3k; the level of risk as it applies to grading a book. At the end of the day I would think their biggest concern is damaging or losing a book so I agree a majority of the baked cost is probably contingency based. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryw7 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 One very distinguished member of our forums had an "unrestored" Superman 1 in a PGX label that turned out to have a fake back cover. What an expensive "mistake" for PGX. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them, and I can't believe a major auction house would use them for anything, let alone high dollar books. comicquant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian48 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I have 3 low cost PGX books I bought as set fillers. I'd say two were accurately graded, one was woefully overgraded. Having gone this route collecting sports cards with all the fly-by-night grading companies in that particular hobby, I only stick with the big name, reputable graders now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Larryw7 said: One very distinguished member of our forums had an "unrestored" Superman 1 in a PGX label that turned out to have a fake back cover. What an expensive "mistake" for PGX. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them, and I can't believe a major auction house would use them for anything, let alone high dollar books. I have never seen this story?. PGX is not in the same class as CGC we all know that. I have talked to Daniel and he is not a total dummy on comic book's and I hope that this is not true . I agree they do over grade on most books but not all. I have seen stories where a CGC book has been sent to them after cracked out and come back with a lower grade than CGC gave the book or the same. I will be the first to say I only trust CGC grading 100%. if I was buying Edited September 14, 2017 by woowoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, woowoo said: I have never seen this story?. PGX is not in the same class as CGC we all know that. I have talked to Daniel and he is not a total dummy on comic book's and I hope that this is not true . I agree they do over grade on most books but not all. I have seen stories where a CGC book has been sent to them after cracked out and come back with a lower grade than CGC gave the book or the same. I will be the first to say I only trust CGC grading 100%. if I was buying It's well known that PGX grades books they own and puts them up for sale. They aren't impartial and can't be trusted. Mr. Zipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisco37 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 hours ago, The Resurrection said: Some of you are obviously not here to learn and just want to spout off your asinine ramblings and are turning this into a facebook comic book collecting, which may possibly be rock bottom Only thing I'd disagree with the above is the use of "possibly". lizards2, thehumantorch, goldust40 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 50 minutes ago, chrisco37 said: Only thing I'd disagree with the above is the use of "possibly". So we can agree that some of these noobs are really scraping the bottom of the peanut butter jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Ive bought PGX 9.4 CA books and CPR to CGC for 9.8s, and some just resubbed no press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
