Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) I can't speak for 1917. Only what I've been following. 1917 has had limiting showing. Also IMDB has a review date on every review so again. As you can see the first 2 Star Wars reviews starts on the 16th after the premiere https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=asc&ratingFilter=0 Edited December 21, 2019 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rip said: I can't speak for 1917. Only what I've been following. 1917 has had limiting showing. Also IMDB has a review date on every review so again. As you can see the first few Star Wars reviews starts on the 16th after the premiere https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=asc&ratingFilter=0 Not that many getting a pre-screening before release. That would seem to be reasonable if they did an early release showing like was done with Aquaman two weeks in advance that allowed for thousands to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rip said: I can't speak for 1917. Only what I've been following. 1917 has had limiting showing. Also IMDB has a review date on every review so again. As you can see the first few Star Wars reviews starts on the 16th after the premiere https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=asc&ratingFilter=0 Ok. But the IMDB 6.9 seems to fall in line with the Critic reviews on RT and Metacritic, as well at the Cinemascore, and to a lesser extent the Metacritic audience score. The RT audience is still the outlier. Edited December 21, 2019 by drotto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, drotto said: Ok. But the IMBD 6.9 seems to fall in line with the Critic reviews on RT and Metacritic, as well at the Cinemascore, and to a lesser extent the Metacritic audience score. The RT audience is still the outlier. Exactly! Putting all the data together, you see the outliers much easier. Sorry, but this appears to be obvious manipulation. Just like what was done to The Last Jedi to trip that film up with negative audience scores. Which combined with Captain Marvel led to Fandango/Rotten Tomatoes changing its audience rating practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) So again Star Wars has dates on every review, looks like they pulled some early ones on Wed. and they start after the opening on the 16. 2 that day, 5 on the 17th and the rest on the 19th. So this basically confirms what I've been saying about IMDB. Edited December 21, 2019 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 1917 reviews are likely legit also as they started with limited release on the 4th. As you can double check by looking at the voting dates on every review just like Star Wars. Edited December 21, 2019 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rip said: So again Star Wars has dates on every review, looks like they pulled some early ones on Wed. and they start after the opening on the 16. 2 that day, 5 on the 17th and the rest on the 19th. So this basically confirms what I've been saying about IMDB. Either way, there is the appearance of data manipulation going on. Even when adding the IMDb reference point now. 6.9/10 would be a 69% positive rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rip said: 1917 reviews are likely legit also as they started with limited release on the 6th. As you can double check by looking at the voting dates on every review just like Star Wars. Release schedule was posted above for 1917. One limited showing in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I'm willing to bet its may partly be due to the voting mentality over there. Its a reactionary site that a lot of times likes to buck the trend and believe all the professional reviewers are "Shills" Some people I'm sure are voting up because the movie clearly listened to those spammers and gives Rian Johnson the shaft. Never mind the quality of the movie. Thats just a guess. But Its clear this one doesn't have a negative vote stuffing campaign yet so I guess that says something in itself. Bosco685 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 19 hours ago, jsilverjanet said: I really have zero interest in this movie and it’s existing characters when Luke died my interest died and @Buzzetta is wrong - the Jedis don’t get grumpy when they are old and that war is not the answer - they were that way because they had lost to the empire and one of their own had been the reason for it Obi Wan wasn’t grumpy in fact he was hopeful that Luke would be enough to turn the tide luke was always whiny yeah that was true but he’s also hopeful that he can change his father at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rip said: I'm willing to bet its may partly be due to the voting mentality over there. Its a reactionary site that a lot of times likes to buck the trend and believe all the professional reviewers are "Shills" Some people I'm sure are voting up because the movie clearly listened to those spammers and gives Rian Johnson the shaft. Never mind the quality of the movie. Thats just a guess. But Its clear this one doesn't have a negative vote stuffing campaign yet so I guess that says something in itself. Amen to that! People playing games like this is BS to manipulate general audiences deciding on seeing a film or not based on other people's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: Release schedule was posted above for 1917. One limited showing in the UK. This is incomplete. NYC crtitics' screening was Nov. 23. The Hollywood premiere / advance screening took place on Dec. 17. Toronto held an advance screening on Dec. 18. It's been around. Rip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: This is incomplete. NYC crtitics' screening was Nov. 23. The Hollywood premiere / advance screening took place on Dec. 17. Toronto held an advance screening on Dec. 18. It's been around. Uh-huh. Meanwhile, IMDb starts collecting user feedback data before a film releases, which is why it starts reporting Popularity Trending. And just before a film is officially released on a wide scale, it starts reflecting such feedback. < 1,000 seems more reasonable with limited screenings than > 1,000. Other than films like Joker that were screened at multiple film festivals in advance. You remember Joker - right? Edited December 21, 2019 by Bosco685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you know user feedback/early trending doesn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman voting. You can't vote on Wonder Woman yet. Little Women you can because of limited showings. Popularity Trending is determined this early by things like bookmarking and page views. EVERY VOTE has a date next to it THE DAY it was casted. Get it? So if I look at 1917 I can see the first person saw on or before the 4th of December after he saw it. 5 people voted that day. 3 people voted on the 5th 2 people voted on the 6th 2 people voted on the 12th Get it? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8579674/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=asc&ratingFilter=0 Edited December 21, 2019 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Gatsby77 said: This is incomplete. NYC crtitics' screening was Nov. 23. The Hollywood premiere / advance screening took place on Dec. 17. Toronto held an advance screening on Dec. 18. It's been around. plenty of reviews for 1917 https://www.metacritic.com/movie/1917/critic-reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) $193.7 Million Opening estimate. TLJ was $220. Close to what people were expecting. Edited December 21, 2019 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Rip said: $193 Million Opening. TLJ was $220. Close to what people were expecting. They had to lower the estimates. So it is more in line with the $190M to $198M estimates, adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, Rip said: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you know user feedback/early trending doesn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman voting. You can't vote on Wonder Woman yet. Little Women you can because of limited showings. Popularity Trending is determined this early by things like bookmarking and page views. EVERY VOTE has a date next to it THE DAY it was casted. Get it? So if I look at 1917 I can see the first person saw on or before the 4th of December after he saw it. 5 people voted that day. 3 people voted on the 5th 2 people voted on the 6th 2 people voted on the 12th Get it? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8579674/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=asc&ratingFilter=0 I think you need to get it, as this seems really important to you. Here's an example to maybe help you get it. I am an IMDb member. I have voted on films in advance to indicate I am excited to see them. So right now if I wanted to, I can enter a rating on '1917' without even seeing the film that is due out on December 25, 2019. My rating would go right into all those other user ratings currently listed, with no indication whether I am rating this based on did I see the film or am I just excited to see it. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, Bosco685 said: I think you need to get it, as this seems really important to you. Here's an example to maybe help you get it. I am an IMDb member. I have voted on films in advance to indicate I am excited to see them. So right now if I wanted to, I can enter a rating on '1917' without even seeing the film that is due out on December 25, 2019. My rating would go right into all those other user ratings currently listed, with no indication whether I am rating this based on did I see the film or am I just excited to see it. Get it? So am I. Thats Correct, thats because they opening the voting. Again goes perfectly with what Im saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
