Sqeggs Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said: I doubt CGC would be interested in my label suggestions as I liked the old label just fine. Trust me, my scanner normally takes great images. A couple of pages back I compared an old label/holder scan with a new label/holder scan (complete with Newton Rings), both imaged on my HP Scanjet 8300. I have the same scanner. The new slabs were scanning very dark on my previous settings -- probably because the slabs are deeper. Someone in the CG scanner thread suggested new settings. I've been using those (with some tweaks), but my scans are now a bit brighter than they should be. I could probably continue fiddling with the settings, but I'm fairly content with how they look now. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 20 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said: I dare you to change the thread title to 'The Amelioration of Newton Rings'. Go on Sqeggs......do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I submitted 13 books a few weeks ago, and received the first book back last week since it was an Express submission. There's a few small traces of Newton ring action on the front, but I'm relieved to say it looks dramatically better than the examples in this thread and is minimal enough that it doesn't bother me. So, waiting for the other 12 and am cautiously optimistic that maybe things are back on track. 1950's war comics, comicdonna and Mr. Lady Luck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, walclark said: Got to the office this morning and had a 10 book value submission from June waiting for me. These were slabbed last week. The Newton ring effect is present in most of the books (7 of 10), but is certainly reduced from previous submissions. The effect is still most noticeable on lighter colored covers. I believe Sharon mentioned an issue with scratches on the inside of the slab. There are scratches on 8 of the 10 slabs in this submission. Like the ring effect, the scratches can only be seen when viewing the slabs at an angle to catch the light. I would add photos, but I don’t think any of these defects will photograph or scan well. Overall, I would say that, at least with this batch, there seems to be some improvement in regards to the ring effect. @Sqeggs Ameliorated! Wow. This is what I mean by "the new normal". Does ameliorated mean fixed if 7 of 10 books still have NR's that are reduced, but not eliminated? Scratches suggest either a new problem or a method employed to fix one problem that produces another. If "ameliorated" means settling then it sounds like some folks have reached a point of surrendering to the inevitable. Truely sad scenario if you ask me. Hopefully, walclark will post before and after scans so we can judge for ourselves what is happening. Edited September 10, 2018 by Cat-Man_America . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Mylars eliminate Newton Rings... Larryw7 and Badger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Sqeggs said: I have the same scanner. The new slabs were scanning very dark on my previous settings -- probably because the slabs are deeper. Someone in the CG scanner thread suggested new settings. I've been using those (with some tweaks), but my scans are now a bit brighter than they should be. I could probably continue fiddling with the settings, but I'm fairly content with how they look now. This is the fault of the new holders, not our scanners. Why should collectors have to switch scanner settings back and forth for different holders? That's just nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said: Wow. This is what I mean by "the new normal". Does ameliorated mean fixed if 7 of 10 books still have NR's that are reduced, but not eliminated? Scratches suggest either a new problem or a method employed to fix one problem that produces another. If "ameliorated" means settling then it sounds like some folks have reached a point of surrendering to the inevitable. Truely sad scenario if you ask me. Hopefully, walclark will post before and after scans so we can judge for ourselves what is happening. Well, I'll give it a shot. Here are a couple shots from a submission that came back in June...about the time that people were beginning to sit up and take notice. Frankenstein #9 (with arrows pointing towards rings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Now, let me see if I can take a photo that shows the rings at full effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Also, another Frankenstein from the summer submission: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 By comparison, here are some of this month's books. The effect is not gone, but is amerliorated. It's there, but to a much lesser extent and, again, only visible at certain angles. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Maybe a more easily seen example: Edited September 11, 2018 by walclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 The Bill Barnes also suffers from the scratches inside the slab. There are about a dozen parallel scratches running horizontally across the logo area. Only one is large enough to photograph. The rest are smaller and faint, but certainly visible in the right lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Lighter colored covers seem to show the effect the most. Even so, I think the ban on eating Fig Newtons while slabbing the comics (or whatever they're doing) is paying off in less Newton rings. pmpknface and comicjack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) In short, earlier submissions had very easily seen ring effects. The most recent batch still has them, but you have to actively look for them and they are not as distracting as those from earlier this year. Edited September 11, 2018 by walclark changed image due to double post Badger and pmpknface 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lady Luck Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 5 hours ago, szavisca said: So, I'll admit I've never cracked a slab so don't have a great grasp on the inner construction and exactly how its all pieced together. These scratches on the interior...any clue how or why that's happening? I know the books don't move around much in the slab but is it possible the scratched inner surface of the holders is providing a rough surface that could potentially damage the cover as it rubs up against it? Either by snagging it or creating indentations if the piece of plastic pressing up against the cover isn't totally smooth. I would think (hope) that the scratches are not on the inside of the inner well - and thus never come in contact with the comic itself, but I don't know for sure. Regardless, I'm as concerned about scratches as I am about Newton Rings. Sqeegs, were there scratches on your recent reholders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 @skypinkblu Sharon, didn’t you have some decent pictures of the scratches on the inside of the slabs? I can’t get a good shot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, walclark said: @skypinkblu Sharon, didn’t you have some decent pictures of the scratches on the inside of the slabs? I can’t get a good shot of them. I don't know if I do, Walter, but I will look. To me, the scratches looked like there were from some kind of polishing implement, not something from an inner well. I don't know how hard plastic is polished, but from my experience with glass, it might be some kind of polishing wheel. They don't bother me nearly as much as the rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 @walclarkThis is from a box I got yesterday, it's hard to get the pictures, I can only do it with my phone. Sorry they are not better. I tried to get a section where you can see where the scratches extend past the comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I'm going through 2 boxes that I got yesterday. A lot of the books are better, so far only 12 out of 35 books have rings, most are as Walter said "Mitigated" but I just found this one. There are 3 others that are pretty bad. On the others, the rings are on colors not the faces, but I have to wait till it stops raining and look in sunlight. There shouldn't be an "only" I know that, but I want to give people credit for improving, last time 41 out of 50 books had rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, skypinkblu said: I'm going through 2 boxes that I got yesterday. A lot of the books are better, so far only 12 out of 35 books have rings, most are as Walter said "Mitigated" but I just found this one. There are 3 others that are pretty bad. On the others, the rings are on colors not the faces, but I have to wait till it stops raining and look in sunlight. There shouldn't be an "only" I know that, but I want to give people credit for improving, last time 41 out of 50 books had rings. Yikes! That one looks as bad as the earlier ones before they recently tweaked the system. Pain in the neck to do so, but you should probably send it back. Since they seem to have a fix for the problem, you wonder how that one got through QC. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
