raybowles Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) If this topic has been discussed before I apologize. I'm trying to purchase a high grade example for my personal collection and noticed that it's hard to aquire in high grade because of the heavy black border. As of April 30 there are only 15 copies graded above a 9.4 I'm curious on the boards opinion if this comic would be considered a key? Recently I posted in the WTB forum for this issue and before I did I can't remember that last time I heard or read of anyone interested in it. Edited April 30, 2020 by raybowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, raybowles said: If this topic has been discussed before I apologize. I'm trying to purchase a high grade example for my personal collection and noticed that it's hard to aquire in high grade because of the heavy black border. As of April 30 there are only 15 copies graded above a 9.4 I'm curious on the boards opinion if this comic would be considered a key? Recently I posted in the WTB forum for this issue and before I did I can't remember that last time I heard or read of anyone interested in it. Well it IS a Picture Frame book, so it's probably been collected at some point. How long? Idk But here is a pinned thread at the top of the bronze age forum I haven't seen it that often, but hope that helps...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I would consider it a minor key, probably? Most first issues of long running titles qualify to some degree or other. But lacking a notable first appearance (other than possibly the Misty Knight cameo), it's not considered a major key that I can tell. ADAMANTIUM, Spider-Variant, Keys_Collector and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gadzukes Posted May 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) When I was a kid I LOVED Marvel Team up. I loved Spidey and it was so cool to have a team-up with other marvel characters. IMO it's a heavily undervalued key. (I liked Batman Brave & Bold too). Edited May 1, 2020 by gadzukes KirbyJack, Chaz G., ADAMANTIUM and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I always liked Marvel Team-up #1, as it is essentially Spider-man volume 3, #1 after ASM #1, Marvel Tales #1 reprint but not counting Spectacular Spider-man mag #1 since it was not comic book sized. Too bad some vendor posted a pic of over 300 raw copies of MTU #1. PeterPark, zosocane and ADAMANTIUM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuscemasAvengers Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I think at best I'd consider it a bronze minor key (as was mentioned above). I always wondered how the team-up stories might translate to the small screen, as a seasonal 5-8 episode series ... paul747 and ADAMANTIUM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post letsgrumble Posted May 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 If you're putting together a complete run of a title, the first issue is always key. wormboy, djpinkpanther67, ADAMANTIUM and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybowles Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 I appreciate the comments folks. This is one of the few Marvel comics that I have never owned. In fact I can't remember ever seeing it for sale. I'm sure it was but I never noticed it. IMO it's not a key for the reasons some of you listed and probably will not go up much in value but for some reason I really want to obtain a high grade copy (9.4 or 9.6) for my personal collection. I love the cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scooter99 Posted May 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 IMO, minor key. But being a black cover picture frame, it is tough to find truly high grade copies. Find a copy with nice registration is difficult as well. I bought my copy the first hour or two when Bob Storms posted this on his website quite a few years ago. Absolutely love it. divad, ADAMANTIUM, zosocane and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gatsby77 Posted May 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 This is a tough one. 25 years ago it was considered much more of a key than it is today. Why? Early Bronze Marvel # 1 Long-running title Hard-to-Find in super-high grade due to the black cover But mainly? Because it was the second Spider-Man title. Spectacular Spider-Man # 1, released four years later, is probably 30x easier to find and was *widely* hoarded on release -- it's the Spawn # 1 of its day. But with Marvel Team-Up # 1, you get in on the ground floor of Spidey's second title, and it's a fairly Early Bronze book to boot, and one of the longest-running titles of the Bronze Age. So what's changed? The hobby. It's now driven nearly entirely by movie or TV speculation first appearances. Few people care about books like Marvel Team-Up # 1 or Defenders # 1 these days, as even long-running titles matter little if there are no first appearances contained within. Incidentally, even back in the '90s Marvel Team-Up # 3-4 were notable for having the 3rd and 4th appearances of Morbius, his first appearances after his debut in ASM 101-102. I think Marvel Team-Up # 1's a great book, and a must-have Bronze key. But just be aware that it won't match the appreciation of nearly any book with the first appearance of even a 3rd or 4th tier character. WolverineX, silversurfer275, Genuine Article Comics and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenosmilus Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuscemasAvengers said: I think at best I'd consider it a bronze minor key (as was mentioned above). I always wondered how the team-up stories might translate to the small screen, as a seasonal 5-8 episode series ... I was thinking the same and that it might make a good Disney+ Series.... Edited May 1, 2020 by Xenosmilus BuscemasAvengers and silversurfer275 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybowles Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, scooter99 said: IMO, minor key. But being a black cover picture frame, it is tough to find truly high grade copies. Find a copy with nice registration is difficult as well. I bought my copy the first hour or two when Bob Storms posted this on his website quite a few years ago. Absolutely love it. That's a beautiful copy. Are you surprised it did not receive a 9.4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter99 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, raybowles said: That's a beautiful copy. Are you surprised it did not receive a 9.4? I didn't submit it myself. Bought from Bob Storms. It looked slightly undergraded, great centering and had white pages. Trifecta fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 11 hours ago, raybowles said: but for some reason I really want to obtain a high grade copy (9.4 or 9.6) for my personal collection. This right here is all the reason you need to go find your copy. Enjoy! speedcake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian48 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 It should be at least a minor key, but it's just not a title that generates a lot of interest. About as exciting as Peter Parker #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenosmilus Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I’m trying to get 2-55 9.8 run myself. Even though most of the stories are not that good it’s an early to mid Bronze Age run with the right price point with the budget I want to spend and also some cool covers too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I do't know about it being the second Spidey book as the original plan was to rotate the Human Torch in as the main character every four issues or so. I've long had it on my Top 100 BA Marvels, and the black cover makes it hard to find in HG. It used to be Top 25 but other books have eclipsed it. If Disney gives us a Spidey/Torch movie, I'm sure it will pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, shadroch said: I do't know about it being the second Spidey book as the original plan was to rotate the Human Torch in as the main character every four issues or so. Hard not to think of it as the second Spidey title, when Spider-Man headlined 146 of 157 issues. And when it was cancelled, it was replaced by Web of Spider-Man. Marvel Team-Up lasted longer and had more issues published than both Web of and McFarlane's 1990 Spider-Man book. JTLarsen, nmtg9 and PeterPark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Definitely not a key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: Hard not to think of it as the second Spidey title, when Spider-Man headlined 146 of 157 issues. And when it was cancelled, it was replaced by Web of Spider-Man. Marvel Team-Up lasted longer and had more issues published than both Web of and McFarlane's 1990 Spider-Man book. I've never thought of it as the second Spider-man title, and the reason why Peter Parker was so heavily bought was because it was the second Spider-Man title. I'd have to check MCS but I think the Human Torch rotation lasted about two years. Somebody was pushing Johnny Storm back then as they were reprinting his Strange Tales stories as well. It must have confused newbies as he had a red uniform in the Fantastic Four, a blue one in the FF stories being reprinted in MGCs, an adult HT in Marvel Team-Up, and a teenage one in The Human Torch. Edit- I looked it up and the Human Torch was in 10 of the first 35 issues, so while it became a Spider-Man book three years into it's existence, it wasn't one at the start. It was more like Marvels version of World's Finest evolved into Brave and the Bold. Edited May 1, 2020 by shadroch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...