Popular Post Ryan. Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Subby1938 said: Look at the census numbers please . The second print is way rarer with next to nothing graded compared to 1st prints 3250 copies of TMNT 1 first print were published. 6000 copies of TMNT 1 second print were published. The CGC census does not change the numbers stated above; it merely reflects how many copies have been submitted by collectors. tvindy, Icculus308win, djzombi and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ectocooler Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 Like others have stated not everyone has submitted their 2nd prints to CGC because for a while it wasn’t really worth it. Here’s my mid grade 2nd print I’ve had for over 20 years just chilling in my office all raw like. It has signatures on the inside front cover so if I was to resell I’d likely sell it raw. I have a graded VF first print so I’ve only really kept this around because I have the first ~10 reprints of issue 1. oakman29, GM8, Hulksdaddy1 and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 hours ago, ectocooler said: Like others have stated not everyone has submitted their 2nd prints to CGC because for a while it wasn’t really worth it. Here’s my mid grade 2nd print I’ve had for over 20 years just chilling in my office all raw like. It has signatures on the inside front cover so if I was to resell I’d likely sell it raw. I have a graded VF first print so I’ve only really kept this around because I have the first ~10 reprints of issue 1. very nice sigs! great book! I'd still get it graded but ask for a blue label. ectocooler and Icculus308win 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Subby1938 said: Look at the census numbers please . The second print is way rarer with next to nothing graded compared to 1st prints You keep conflating numbers graded with rarity. The 2nd print is twice as many as the 1st. That's what matters. GM8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, pubmonkey said: very nice sigs! great book! I'd still get it graded but ask for a blue label. You'll get blue label if book is signed on the inside. ectocooler and pubmonkey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 12:47 AM, Hulksdaddy1 said: Not all corrections are down. TMNT1, FF1, XM1 were undervalued. Not anymore. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Subby1938 said: Look at the census numbers please . The second print is way rarer with next to nothing graded compared to 1st prints I get what you're saying and I share the sentiment although my version is that yes there are more 2nd prints but there are fewer in high grade. This to me says there is a lot of room for the 2nd print to catch up (in high grade) to 50% value of the 1st print. There were still only 6000 printed and 2nd prints were treated as readers in my day. The mid to lower grades I cannot speak for but they will tag along at some level. How many 2nd prints were damaged by trying to make them look like 1st prints? bleaching, scraping of the "2nd print"...It was a real thing, I remember it well from those days... Subby1938, ectocooler, Parabellum and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPV Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 16 hours ago, Subby1938 said: According to that theory in 20 years time the kids that grew up with miles morales will want his books and Tmnt will be new Roy Rogers ? What’s your point ? It’s Tmnt time now ? 40 years in I hope so but 100K for 9.8 or other high grades in the price points they are fetching is pretty nuts . Why haven’t issues 2-4 followed ? Early TMNT and important imo . The generation that grew up Tmnt I’d love to meet people 40 or under paying 60K and up for top tier grades . It’s laughable . I'm one of those. Mid 30s. Have invested in TMNT books, including 1-10. I'm sure there are many others in 30s and 40s like me. 10 hours ago, I am not Glenda said: No that's not my theory its a fact & what's laughable is just because you don't happen to know any 40 year olds who are putting down that kind of money you assume it's not happening. I mean this sincerely let me know if you want to get in touch with a few of them and you can look at there collections, I know a guy who is 44 yrs old and last week dropped 90K on a Jordon collection and another buddy of mine who is in his 40s (a Dentist) dropped 100k on a prototype Bobba Fett Action figure recently. Another fact is TMNT #2-4 ,Ralph, #3 variant (2nd & 3rd prints) and any of the Gobbly books have all had substantial increases over the same time frame as #1 first print better yet just go take a look at the TMNT Archie #1 these days ( this was a $1 bin book not to long ago). I mean its just crazy for anyone to assume this is not real or its some dealer/auction house manipulation. Drop in on Heritage recent sales & take a look at Nintendo sales, Magic the gathering or the big dog Pokemon. I guess that's all 60 year olds who just happen to be part of a Pikachu investment firm? Haha. Can we talk about how funny this last line is? There's definitely a 60+ Pikachu investment firm out there. bahah. Well said Not Glenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectocooler Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, pubmonkey said: very nice sigs! great book! I'd still get it graded but ask for a blue label. You think it’s worth it? I’d only sell if I got the expensive non-turtle book I’m trying to track down and needed some cash. I figured it being mid grade and the signatures on the inside it would sell better raw. I do appreciate everyone talking about 2nd prints because it reminded me to send it for a pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subby1938 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 13 hours ago, Hulksdaddy1 said: You keep conflating numbers graded with rarity. The 2nd print is twice as many as the 1st. That's what matters. Why? How many copies of the second exist out there ? I’m constantly hearing how out of 3000 first prints only 1/3 have been “found “ graded so according to that the second print in high grade is tougher book . Those are stats I have from go collect and cgc . That’s all oakman29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Most collectors prefer their books ungraded. It's usually when a book starts accelerating in high value when the census numbers start growing in proportion. Hulksdaddy1, valiantman, Sauce Dog and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Ryan. said: Most collectors prefer their books ungraded. It's usually when a book starts accelerating in high value when the census numbers start growing in proportion. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icculus308win Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Does anyone know anything of validity? Hulksdaddy1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Icculus308win said: Does anyone know anything of validity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) Got the link? I see nothing in sold auctions Nevermind, found it. Looks like he took it down. Edited April 7, 2021 by Hulksdaddy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icculus308win Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) Like....just took it down and no sale? Edited April 7, 2021 by Icculus308win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Icculus308win said: Like....just took it down and no sale? Yup This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icculus308win Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Much obliged 👍 (Darn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 https://www.comicconnect.com/item/901554 #3 variant at $9284 on comic connect with 6 days to go. This already surpasses the yellow label that sold on heritage last month. The blue labels with the sigs inside may be making a bold leap ahead of the SS labels here. The main difference being there is only one sig on the SS. What do you guys think? Or is it just timing? I can't believe two 9.8's have popped up for sale this year, these generally sell privately. Very cool to see DPV, Icculus308win and Hulksdaddy1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 I'm not sure I get the whole #1 counterfeit thing ...maybe for $40 or something like that, not $1750... oakman29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
