Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, spracknetch23 said: I don't know how that 9.2 Adventures 1 is going so high. It just broke $1k while there's a 9.4 on Ebay right now for BIN $300.... That 9.4 will probably be bought in a second spracknetch23 and DPV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spracknetch23 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 It's crazy to me that the signatures could bring that much of a premium, but crazy is the current market. DPV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pubmonkey Posted April 15, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 #1 9.6: $88k #2 9.8: $4884 #3 var 9.8: $25k Raphael 9.2: $978 #9 9.8: $494 #7 9.8: $350 Adventures #1 9.2: $1408 !! DPV, spracknetch23, Hulksdaddy1 and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybuck43 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I just sent Tmnt #2 1st and 2nd prints to CGC the other day. Both copies are signed on the inside cover by Eastman and laird. Can’t wait to see the final grade. Also if an adventures #1 9.2 is a 1400 book what’s my 9.8 signed by Kevin worth? Icculus308win, DPV, oakman29 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) $88k for a 9.6 is crazy, especially when HA just sold one for a mere $66k. I used to be of the opinion that it was always better to go with HA for selling comics, since even though it charges a hefty 20% in commissions, it usually makes up for that by attracting higher bids. Maybe that is true for less in-demand titles, but it looks like TMNT #1 is so highly sought after that the bidders will go after it wherever it pops up. This is especially relevant to me, because I have a 9.6 that I intend to one day sell. And for the first time, I am considering using an auction house other than HA. Edited April 15, 2021 by tvindy DPV and Icculus308win 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaybuck43 Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, tvindy said: $88k for a 9.6 is crazy, especially when HA just sold one for a mere $66k. I used to be of the opinion that it was always better to go with HA for selling comics, since even though it charges a hefty 20% in commissions, it usually makes up for that by attracting higher bids. Maybe that is true for less in-demand titles, but it looks like TMNT #1 is so highly sought after that the bidders will go after it wherever it pops up. This is especially relevant to me, because I have a 9.6 that I intend to one day sell. And for the first time, I am considering using an auction house other than HA. I was just having the conversation the other day that I have no idea why anyone would sell with heritage these days on a blue chip key. I could stand on a street corner and sell a high grade tmnt #1 at this point, why am I going to give 30% to heritage? Both comiclink (which has been on fire lately) and comicconnect only charge 10%. Id need to be seeing 20% over hammer prices from HA to justify selling with them, and lately their prices have been “ok”. I think they’re going to have to start adjusting their BP and commissions to remain competitive in comics. MetalPSI , valiantman, tvindy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transplant Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 hours ago, jaybuck43 said: Also if an adventures #1 9.2 is a 1400 book what’s my 9.8 signed by Kevin worth? Tree Fiddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transplant Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 hours ago, jaybuck43 said: I was just having the conversation the other day that I have no idea why anyone would sell with heritage these days on a blue chip key. I could stand on a street corner and sell a high grade tmnt #1 at this point, why am I going to give 30% to heritage? Both comiclink (which has been on fire lately) and comicconnect only charge 10%. Id need to be seeing 20% over hammer prices from HA to justify selling with them, and lately their prices have been “ok”. I think they’re going to have to start adjusting their BP and commissions to remain competitive in comics. The common response is: If it's a big enough key or you're selling enough $$ volume in one swipe, you negotiate a kickback on the BP from HA. But I absolutely agree that, even after getting a piece of the BP, they're hard pressed to show enough value-add to justify the extra vig. tvindy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 8 hours ago, jaybuck43 said: I just sent Tmnt #2 1st and 2nd prints to CGC the other day. Both copies are signed on the inside cover by Eastman and laird. Can’t wait to see the final grade. Also if an adventures #1 9.2 is a 1400 book what’s my 9.8 signed by Kevin worth? sharp looking books! your 9.8 #2 SS by Eastman would go for $5k-$7k... DPV and jaybuck43 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subby1938 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 These prices don’t make sense to me especially the Adventures book????? I have to ask what is going on there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Subby1938 said: These prices don’t make sense to me especially the Adventures book????? I have to ask what is going on there ? They haven't been worth submitting to CGC until recently, so the apparent "low CGC census" is pushing prices higher while being an illusion of scarcity. "Fear of missing out" is driving the prices into a place they can't maintain once all the available copies of Archie publications that definitely exist are submitted to CGC. Early Mirage publications are well-documented relatively low numbers, while Archie publications would have been everywhere at the time... in large numbers. It's a late-1980s TMNT with a #1 on the cover, but it has always been considered a "so what?" book (until recently). Edited April 15, 2021 by valiantman MetalPSI and pubmonkey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Nice summary valiantman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, valiantman said: Early Mirage publications are well-documented relatively low numbers, while Archie publications would have been everywhere at the time... in large numbers. It's a late-1980s TMNT with a #1 on the cover, but it has always been considered a "so what?" book (until recently). I just realized a good parallel might be Tales of Suspense #39 (1963) Iron Man vs. Iron Man #1 (1968). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectocooler Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I disagree that it’s the cgc census driving prices. It’s nostalgia for the Fred Wolf Turtles driving prices on it. There’s a lot of merch and hype for the 80s toon turtles right now. It also has the benefit of having first appearances of Bebop/Rocksteady/Krang. It’s establishing itself as a key right now, similar to ASM 300. If a bunch of copies suddenly get slabbed at high grade it’ll likely just keep prices level instead of growing. Only way I see it cooling is if we’re in a bubble that pops and everything collectibles drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, ectocooler said: I disagree that it’s the cgc census driving prices. It’s nostalgia for the Fred Wolf Turtles driving prices on it. There’s a lot of merch and hype for the 80s toon turtles right now. It also has the benefit of having first appearances of Bebop/Rocksteady/Krang. It’s establishing itself as a key right now, similar to ASM 300. If a bunch of copies suddenly get slabbed at high grade it’ll likely just keep prices level instead of growing. Only way I see it cooling is if we’re in a bubble that pops and everything collectibles drops. You may be right, but I know that I've got probably 8 to 10 copies of TMNT #1 (Archie) that I picked up for $1 through the years. That never happened with ASM #300. ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectocooler Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I actually don’t know much about ASM so apologies if it’s not the best example. I’m mainly a TMNT guy, and I’m seeing it everywhere right now. I used to pick up the Playmates figures carded for $10-15. Within the last few years those have exploded into the hundreds or even thousands. I was looking through and old toy fare magazine last night and this made me laugh. valiantman and spracknetch23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 16 hours ago, ectocooler said: It also has the benefit of having first appearances of Bebop/Rocksteady. I thought we had established their first appearances were in issue #2... aren't they only in human form in #1? To be honest the advent of this issue harked the end of my TMNT collecting back in the day. At this point the regular series was no longer drawn by Eastman/Laird (really big turn off for me) and I disliked the art/story in TMNT Adventures. I held on a couple more issues and then stopped looking at them completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse-Lee Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, pubmonkey said: I thought we had established their first appearances were in issue #2... aren't they only in human form in #1? This is correct, but many people - CGC included, it's noted on the slab - consider #1 the first appearance of Bebop and Rocksteady, even though they aren't named in the issue and they're in their human forms for the whole issue. It's not until 2 that they have names and their mutated form. Drives me nuts that #1 is considered the first appearance. pubmonkey and Icculus308win 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 We should also dissect the printing versions of #1 for the speculation benefit of those about to plunge into purchasing these books: There are 4 versions: 2 in USA (direct/newstand), 2 in Canada (direct/newstand). Direct ratio to newstand ratio is 10 to 1 in both countries USA to Canada ratio is 10 to 1 so in order of rarity these are the standings: #1 Canada newstand #2 USA newstand/Canada direct (these should be on parity) #3 USA direct If I have my numbers wrong somebody please correct... ectocooler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMNT Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Do we know print numbers for these versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
