Popular Post Readcomix Posted November 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 2:01 PM, jimjum12 said: Hulk 181 is the second part of a story that spans 3 issues. No amount of intellectual acrobatics will change that. Any significance placed on one part over the other has nothing to do with continuity. Sorry. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) This gets at the heart of it, the thing we collectors often forget when discussing the widgets themselves, the individual issues: the correct answer to “What is the first appearance of Wolverine?” is: “Hulk #180 through #182.” In continuity, that is the full story. That we have decided as a market that the meat of the Wolverine portion of this Hulk story, #181, is most valuable, is not odd. It makes sense, because it is the meat of the first Wolverine story. But the story itself, spanning three issues, is his first appearance in the Marvel universe. We lose sight of that as we lose sight of comics as a content-based medium. Randall Dowling, bronze johnny, IngelsFan and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 6:40 PM, Jaydogrules said: Hulk 180- Non-substantive one panel cameo at the end of a wendigo story, nobody disputes that. Obviously, a lot of people dispute that. You keep bringing up this whole "non-substantive one panel" dismissal but that dog just won't hunt. It's basically a splash page of Wolverine. To suggest otherwise is being disingenuous. I'm guessing you have multiple copies of 181 and that's why this thread bothers you. One thing is for sure, a person would have to be pretty gullible to take your opinion over the guys that actually created Wolverine. Joshua33 and jimjum12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 8:59 PM, Randall Dowling said: Obviously, a lot of people dispute that. You keep bringing up this whole "non-substantive one panel" dismissal but that dog just won't hunt. It's basically a splash page of Wolverine. To suggest otherwise is being disingenuous. I'm guessing you have multiple copies of 181 and that's why this thread bothers you. One thing is for sure, a person would have to be pretty gullible to take your opinion over the guys that actually created Wolverine. You mean "the guys" who also didn't say anything different than what everyone already knew? Yeah. Okay. Hey, maybe try just getting the right book so you don't have to constantly make a (weak) case for the consolation book with the non-substantive, one panel cameo at the end of a wendigo story ? -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 11:11 PM, Jaydogrules said: You mean "the guys" who also didn't say anything different than what everyone already knew? Yeah. Okay. Hey, maybe try just getting the right book so you don't have to constantly make a (weak) case for the consolation book with the non-substantive, one panel cameo at the end of a wendigo story ? -J. Everything will be just fine. Try not to fight it. NP_Gresham, szucchini, Joshua33 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua33 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 9:11 PM, Jaydogrules said: You mean "the guys" who also didn't say anything different than what everyone already knew? Yeah. Okay. Hey, maybe try just getting the right book so you don't have to constantly make a (weak) case for the consolation book with the non-substantive, one panel cameo at the end of a wendigo story ? -J. I notice you're still here trolling, so let me enlighten people on WHO YOU ARE... As to retort to the Supes 4 vs Action 23, that EVERYBODY in the thread recognized you lost other than you and your homey... Using DCs website as credible is at best DESPARATION when they literally say their release dates are April and June of 40 when there is IMPERICAL EVIDENCE which shows whomever is running that site is as clueless as you as to their actual release dates Let these pics speak for themselves... Randall Dowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua33 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 How bout some mo... Randall Dowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua33 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Ok... now that we've established that... even when i use your go to with 180 vs 181... the publisher shows BOTH as the first appearance on their website, but one clearly came out 1 month before on the calendar... you know, that us humans used to establish time chronologically, and you're still arguing!!! The fact is, in both threads, you've been, weighed, measured, and smoked like a Cuban cigar, and you can't let it go. I'm starting to wonder about your handle... Jay Dog Rules... What... JayDogRules the land of illogical, overly emotional, devoid of intellegent people? Anyways... here's my take... If CGC notated these books properly, or even attempted to, on their labels for what they really are... They would cause massive fluctuations in value, and thus cost them money on grading services on GRAVY TRAIN BOOKS (like Hulk 181). So, do I ever expect them to be historically accurate? Heck no... if they had been out of the gate, there isn't anybody alive that would pay the prices they pay for Hulk 181 labeled "First cover and second appearance of Wolverine" and Action 23 "First Intended appearance of Luthor, even though we screwed up our published releases". Nighty night. I'll let the crowd do the rest... NP_Gresham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 11:59 PM, Readcomix said: lose sight of comics as a content-based medium. ... what a succinct way of putting it. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Randall Dowling and Readcomix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) On 11/6/2021 at 7:40 PM, Jaydogrules said: Non-substantive Non substantive ? .... maybe, if not for that pesky " First. Time. You. Ever. Lay, Eyes. On. Him. " thing. Lest we forget, 180 also hit the stands a full month BEFORE 181. It just keeps getting so complicated.... why bother with reality ? .... such an inconvenience when it gets in our way, eh ? GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Edited November 7, 2021 by jimjum12 NP_Gresham and Randall Dowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankielo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Perception is reality! Joshua33 and jimjum12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WolverineX Posted November 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2021 Why is this in silver? grendelbo, jcjames, Lazyboy and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Randall Dowling Posted November 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/8/2021 at 10:22 AM, Wolverinex said: Why is this in silver? Great point. I wonder if @CGC Mike can move it to gold. grendelbo, IngelsFan, jimjum12 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisco37 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 1:31 PM, NP_Gresham said: This thread needs a calmer tone. So how about 'pressing' as the new subject...... Back in the (g)Olden days of the board, when people were really getting pizzy with one another, someone would try and de-escalate the situation by saying something like, "So, how about that Hulk 181?". I guess that won't work here. IngelsFan, grendelbo and NP_Gresham 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/8/2021 at 2:33 PM, Randall Dowling said: Great point. I wonder if @CGC Mike can move it to gold. It is vitally important and should be stickied at the top of EVERY sub-forum. GOD BLESS.... -jimbo( a friend of jesus) Randall Dowling, grendelbo and rexinnih 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Right above the "Are prices going up or easing off" thread(s) MGsimba77, nmtg9, jimjum12 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolverineX Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/8/2021 at 7:36 PM, rexinnih said: Right above the "Are prices going up or easing off" thread(s) In between the Joe Peck threads ExNihilo, rexinnih, MGsimba77 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 10:59 PM, Randall Dowling said: Obviously, a lot of people dispute that. You keep bringing up this whole "non-substantive one panel" dismissal but that dog just won't hunt. It's basically a splash page of Wolverine. To suggest otherwise is being disingenuous. It's really basically an ad for the next issue, like nearly every last-page-only appearance (first or not) of any character. That's the only reason the story was structured that way. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that Wolverine has a brief (not cameo) appearance, which is his first, in the issue. Randall Dowling and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 2:52 PM, szav said: While we’re at it and in the wrong era, can you guys settle the question of which is more important, X-men 120 or 121? I don’t have copies of either or remember. How many panels for Alpha Flight’s cameo in 120? I can tell you that 120 came out before 121 jimjum12, rexinnih and grendelbo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) On 11/10/2021 at 10:23 AM, woowoo said: I can tell you that 120 came out before 121 There's no need to complicate things GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) .... Alpha Flight first appeared in X-MEN 109 and The Inhumans first appeared in FF 36 .... hopefully this will not result in any tearfall.... Edited November 10, 2021 by jimjum12 Randall Dowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 8:21 AM, jimjum12 said: There's no need to complicate things GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...