THE MARVELS starring Brie Larson, Iman Vellani and Teyonna Parris (2023) 9 9

[godzilla43]

Twilight Princess also came to two consoles (Gamecube, WII). WII was also a huge success. Twilight Princess also later came to WIIU and with all those sales combined it sits under 10 million. I would say Zelda is more popular now than it was 10-15 years ago.

[Bosco685]

On 4/11/2023 at 11:49 PM, Prince Namor said:

Even something like Ant-Man 3 - I find it humorous when people say it 'failed'. Failed to do what? Meet outrageous post-co-vid expectations with a character that wasn't even C-list before they made a movie, but somehow has hung on for THREE? It still did more than the gross national product of Micronesia. Everyone got paid. A profit was still made. They did ok, and now it's a nice little trilogy that helps sell subscriptions to the Disney Channel. I don't see it as loss at all.

At a $200M production budget (not including the P&A budget) it sits at 2.37X which is below the 2.5X to 2.8X breakeven range for the 31st MCU film.

Not sure about 'humorous'. But is that a win?

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 1:25 AM, godzilla43 said:

Dropping some knowledge here huh. You know that Beastie Boys were a huge band back in the days. Also Hello Nasty was a huge record and Intergalatic was a huge hit.

Using that song in a space adventure movie is more lame than being clever. 

I think you missed the cleverness. 

The trailer opens with the song’s first rap lyric “Don’t tell me to smile” which is a direct reference to Captain Marvel’s first trailer when a bunch of people online said Brie wasn’t smiling enough, and also how society in general tells women to smile more. 

The “Intergalactic, planetary” chorus emphasizes how our heroes keep going back and forth from outer space to Earth and back again as they keep swapping out each other ‘s locations. 

The “we’re so versatile” line could reference how different the trio’s powers are. Speaking of trio, the Beastie Boys are a trio, just like the Marvels. 

“Intergalactic” is not just a fun song, it’s kind of quirky, which matches the quirkiness of the trailer’s content of place swapping superheroes, Flerkens, and dancing aliens.

So I say not only is “Intergalactic” a perfect song choice for the first trailer , it’s also clever. 

[▫️]

On 4/11/2023 at 4:07 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

 

I liked the trailer, looks fun. Of course I’m a sucker for a Beastie Boys hook.

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:12 AM, Bosco685 said:

At a $200M production budget (not including the P&A budget) it sits at 2.37X which is below the 2.5X to 2.8X breakeven range for the 31st MCU film.

Not sure about 'humorous'. But is that a win?

No doubt the box office of QuAntuMania was a big disappointment, but the career as a whole so far of Ant-Man in the MCU and current movie pop culture has been a resounding success.

[Bosco685]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:42 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

No doubt the box office of QuAntuMania was a big disappointment, but the career as a whole so far of Ant-Man in the MCU and current movie pop culture has been a resounding success.

A movie as a standalone product needs to succeed on its own merits. You realize that.

[TupennyConan]

While not a soul under 30 knows the Beasties, I appreciate the GenX tune. At least it isn't the ubiquitous A&R radio 70's classic rock redub or friggin GOTG yacht rock.    

[TupennyConan]

On 4/11/2023 at 3:27 PM, Larryw7 said:

 It looks like it was made for Nickelodeon.

This is the most accurate statement I've yet read. I hope it works out for Marvel. I think I'm done with the MCU until there's real FF & X-Men promise on the horizon, until they return to entertainment, not social theory or whatever is motivating this angry swill. Is it really wise to select a trailer tune due to some sort of obscure, academic social theory about women & their smiles? Or to challenge fans a la She-Hulk? As I've said before, She-Hulk defines today's MCU. It sums it all up, nicely. The MCU is at war with itself, and with its fans. Black Widow forward has killed a dyed in the wool Marvel Zombie, even with such goodness as WWBN & most of WandaVision [despite an obsequious English butler playing Vision]. 

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:44 AM, Bosco685 said:

A movie as a standalone product needs to succeed on its own merits. You realize that.

I know that. But I also believe that for Marvel Studios, the hero character’s overall journey across the MCU supplants any one individual movie.

For instance, Dr Strange is bigger than his first movie. He’s also his roles in Ragnarok and Infinity War. In fact, I say Dr Strange didn’t become a true fan favorite until his fight with Thanos in Infinity War. Hulk is an even better example. He has one MCU movie that isn’t very good and barely counts in the MCU, but it’s Hulk’s appearances across four Avengers movies, Ragnarok, and She-Hulk that are important. 

And so with Ant-Man, it’s his total appearances from his first movie to Civil War and Endgame to now that define the character. Quantumania is just a cog in the Ant-Man wheel. It’s arguable that Ant-Man 3 is more of a Kang movie. Again I’m not saying the movie’s box office isn’t disappointing for Disney, because money is important, but Ant-Man’s overall IP is far more important. In the MCU, the individual character is everything. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by @therealsilvermane

[Bosco685]

On 4/12/2023 at 9:10 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

I know that. But I also believe that for Marvel Studios, the hero character’s overall journey across the MCU supplants any one individual movie.

For instance, Dr Strange is bigger than his first movie. He’s also his roles in Ragnarok and Infinity War. In fact, I say Dr Strange didn’t become a true fan favorite until his fight with Thanos in Infinity War. Hulk is an even better example. He has one MCU movie that isn’t very good and barely counts in the MCU, but it’s Hulk’s appearances across four Avengers movies, Ragnarok, and She-Hulk that are important. 

And so with Ant-Man, it’s his total appearances from his first movie to Civil War and Endgame to now that define the character. Quantumania is just a cog in the Ant-Man wheel. It’s arguable that Ant-Man 3 is more of a Kang movie. Again I’m not saying the movie’s box office isn’t disappointing for Disney, because money is important, but Ant-Man’s overall IP is far more important. In the MCU, the individual character is everything. 

I see. So now the story is if a standalone film is not a box office success, then it is the grand involvement in a larger franchise. Got it.

[media_junkie]

On 4/12/2023 at 9:16 AM, Bosco685 said:

I see. So now the story is if a standalone film is not a box office success, then it is the grand involvement in a larger franchise. Got it.

Perfect gif

[JC25427N]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:38 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

I think you missed the cleverness. 

The trailer opens with the song’s first rap lyric “Don’t tell me to smile” which is a direct reference to Captain Marvel’s first trailer when a bunch of people online said Brie wasn’t smiling enough, and also how society in general tells women to smile more. 

The “Intergalactic, planetary” chorus emphasizes how our heroes keep going back and forth from outer space to Earth and back again as they keep swapping out each other ‘s locations. 

The “we’re so versatile” line could reference how different the trio’s powers are. Speaking of trio, the Beastie Boys are a trio, just like the Marvels. 

“Intergalactic” is not just a fun song, it’s kind of quirky, which matches the quirkiness of the trailer’s content of place swapping superheroes, Flerkens, and dancing aliens.

So I say not only is “Intergalactic” a perfect song choice for the first trailer , it’s also clever. 

This seems like the same kind of "forcing yourself to see a pattern" over analysis that made people think the title "Age of Ultron" had to do with a theme revolving around the actual age of Ultron and/or Vision when in an interview it was revealed that it was really just picked from a number of "Of Ultron" name candidates because they thought it sounded cool. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by JC25427N

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 4/12/2023 at 10:00 AM, JC25427N said:

This seems like the same kind of "forcing yourself to see a pattern" over analysis that made people think the title "Age of Ultron" had to do with a theme revolving around the actual age of Ultron and/or Vision when in an interview it was revealed that it was really just picked from a number of "Of Ultron" name candidates because they thought it sounded cool. 

It would be like me saying, "Superman tearing off half of Batman's mask showed that he was representing Two-Face as a villain". Wtf?

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 10:00 AM, JC25427N said:

This seems like the same kind of "forcing yourself to see a pattern" over analysis that made people think the title "Age of Ultron" had to do with a theme revolving around the actual age of Ultron and/or Vision when in an interview it was revealed that it was really just picked from a number of "Of Ultron" name candidates because they thought it sounded cool. 

Hmm, that’d be a bit of a happy accident if Marvel didn’t deliberately mean to have the trailer open with “Don’t tell me to smile” when a big part of the trolling of the very first Captain Marvel trailer was that Brie Larson didn’t smile. I guess maybe it was just divine influence from above?

[Cat]

On 4/13/2023 at 1:12 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

Hmm, that’d be a bit of a happy accident if Marvel didn’t deliberately mean to have the trailer open with “Don’t tell me to smile” when a big part of the trolling of the very first Captain Marvel trailer was that Brie Larson didn’t smile. I guess maybe it was just divine influence from above?

Can you grab me a glass of Coke No Sugar while you're reaching that far, please? 

[theCapraAegagrus]

I think he's just making that up via projection. People rolled their eyes at the "HERO" bit, but didn't hear anyone complain about a lack of smiles in a trailer.

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 11:09 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

It would be like me saying, "Superman tearing off half of Batman's mask showed that he was representing Two-Face as a villain". Wtf?

In The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel by Frank Miller, Bruce tells Harvey Dent when he looks at him he sees “a reflection.” This duality aspect of Batman, a theme previously exclusive to Two-Face, was explored further in Tim Burton’s Batman films.

Edited April 12, 2023 by @therealsilvermane

[@therealsilvermane]

On 4/12/2023 at 11:17 AM, Cat said:

Can you grab me a glass of Coke No Sugar while you're reaching that far, please? 

 

On 4/12/2023 at 11:22 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I think he's just making that up via projection. People rolled their eyes at the "HERO" bit, but didn't hear anyone complain about a lack of smiles in a trailer.

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/9/23/17892512/captain-marvel-brie-larson-smile-iron-man-doctor-strange-captain-america-poster-instagram

[Dr. Balls]

On 4/12/2023 at 4:41 AM, ▫️ said:

I liked the trailer, looks fun. Of course I’m a sucker for a Beastie Boys hook.

At first, I was a bit bummed out at having three Captain/Ms Marvels - I really want another Captain Marvel movie with just her. I have always loved the character and Brie Larsen was a great fit, and thought the first movie was a great representation for the modern Carol Danvers character. I watched the trailer and thought "man, this looks super fun". I am really excited for this flick, and is it me, or did Brie Larsen get hotter between movies?

[theCapraAegagrus]

In BvS, when Bruce Wayne tells Clark Kent, "don't believe everything you hear, son", it was a nod to the fact that Batman knows Superman needs a new, living father figure.

Edited April 12, 2023 by theCapraAegagrus