mlee17513 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Has anyone else experienced this? I resubmitted a slabbed CGC Signature Series 9.6 Batman/Spawn to have Frank Miller's signature added to the existing Todd McFarlane signature. After Frank's signing, the comic grade dropped all the way to 7.5? Was the book mishandled during opening? Was Frank that rough when signing? Or is CGC really that inconsistent with grades? Edited February 25, 2022 by mlee17513 Tcauld, grendelbo and djzombi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 10:31 AM, mlee17513 said: Was the book mishandled during opening? Was Frank that rough when signing? Or is CGC really that inconsistent with grades? We'll be in a better position to respond to these questions if you provide (1) before and after scans of the encapsulated comic and (2) before and after grader notes. No rush ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) I don't have scans of the original slab before resubmitting for the Frank Miller signing. The new slab is being shipped soon so I was able to see the grade, notes, etc. There were no Grader Notes in the original CGC SS 9.6 grade. Here are the Grade Notes after the Frank Miller signing: light bindery tears to cover light spine stress lines to cover moderate creasing to cover Screenshots of both are attached. Edited February 25, 2022 by mlee17513 BlowUpTheMoon and djzombi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revat Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 It’s definitely a risk you run by regrading (with a ton of handling in between). Probably relatively rare for such a dramatic grade, but certainly possible. of course there is the possibility of mistake and/or inconsistency by Cgc as well. pictures would be more helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 I will try to post pictures when I receive my comic from CGC. I can understand there is a risk of a drop from 9.6 to 9.4 possibly 9.2, but 2 full grades is hard to fathom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zzutak Posted February 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 10:57 AM, mlee17513 said: I don't have scans of the original slab before resubmitting for the Frank Miller signing. Gotcha. Here's some good advice for anyone who happens to read this thread: always image your books prior to packaging them up for shipping, regardless of their destination. grendelbo, BDubs, pemart1966 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Many factors can contribute here. Was the book originally graded during a loose grading period? Were you fortunate enough to get a new grader who thinks a 9.6 needs to be perfect? Was it damaged taking it out of the slab? How we’re the books transported to CGC after the signing? Was it in-house? Was it damaged post signing? During encapsulation? I always recommend cracking books out yourself and providing 3-4 backing boards, especially for signings. And, as was stated above, always take good scans of your books prior to sending to CGC. grendelbo and The Lions Den 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Moderate creasing? Check out where that is because usually they notate if these break colour. The fact they did not might suggest some really poor handling, something I would definitely contact about and inquire about some form of compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) @joeypost, are you allowed to crack slabs on your own that are Signature Series? I was resubmitting a previously graded comic signed by Todd McFarlane to have Frank Miller sign it. I am pretty sure it was an in-house signing. Edited February 25, 2022 by mlee17513 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revat Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:28 AM, comicginger1789 said: Moderate creasing? Check out where that is because usually they notate if these break colour. The fact they did not might suggest some really poor handling, something I would definitely contact about and inquire about some form of compensation. Unless there is some overwhelming evidence that CGC made a mistake somewhere that the buyer has access to, the terms almost certainly wouldn't allow for compensation. They could blame it on the artist, or just bad luck (or defect missed the first time). If they started just randomly compensating for low grades without evidence, things could get dicey with precedents pretty quickly. But worth an ask I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djzombi Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 This is nightmare-inducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Fingers crossed it keeps going but I've only had a drop from 9.6 to 9.2 once while all other sig series (always add pressing) have either kept or increased. That dramatic, I would have to think something happened from cracking the case open to grading again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) I had a reholdered book that CGC reduced from 9.0 to 8.0 ...it was originally graded a while back in the 2000's ...the case was old and the grade was bleached...it did not look like a 9.0 from the number of spine color breaks , so I expected a reduction as I dont think they graded it properly the first time....but from 9.6 to 7.5? Edited February 26, 2022 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:14 AM, zzutak said: Gotcha. Here's some good advice for anyone who happens to read this thread: always image your books prior to packaging them up for shipping, regardless of their destination. I will add....a comic book collector should have all their valuable books imaged...just for insurance purposes KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillOnly25Cents Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) On 2/25/2022 at 1:54 PM, mlee17513 said: @joeypost, are you allowed to crack slabs on your own that are Signature Series? I was resubmitting a previously graded comic signed by Todd McFarlane to have Frank Miller sign it. I am pretty sure it was an in-house signing. it was in house and you did right not to crack yourself a previously signed book why does it not maintain the original cert # when resubmitting for an additional sig? seems unrealistic that 9.6 to 7.5 worth of wear and tear (especially the kind described by the grader notes) would have happened to a slabbed book from the time you had it until the time you sent it or even during shipping (and if that much damaged happened during shipping CGC should have notified you) so this is troubling since it does suggest possible mishandling at CGC Edited February 26, 2022 by StillOnly25Cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 Thanks for all of the input. I should have the book back by mid-week to inspect and have already submitted a message to CGC with my concerns. We'll see how this gets resolved.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Always have them pressed after signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 I normally would have them pressed, but this is a thicker than normal cardstock cover. For it to have moderate creasing after being graded 9.6 initially indicates to me that there was serious mishandling when the slab was cracked or during the signing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee17513 Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 I just received the slab back and it has obvious damage that was not there before. There is no way CGC would have graded the original comic 9.6?with these defects. I have reached out to CGC Customer Service, but so far they are hiding behind the signed Waiver argument. Hopefully they will come back with something acceptable. MattrixAlien and Upgrayedd2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Those defects look like damage a book would get if you were not careful in de-slabbing ..I have de-slabbed about 20 books myself and injured a couple in doing so early on. This is one of my biggest fears with CGC..why I wont send them books to be reholdered..even for second signings. Edited March 3, 2022 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
