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C2E2 Variant Drama
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Bob Sacamano

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On 8/9/2022 at 2:07 PM, Atomic Ponkie said:

I would say there needs to be a little more digging on the relationship between black flag and cgc. 

Have they had legitimate store exclusive variants?  And do we know the grade distribution of those books?

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'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' 

It's too bad that isn't their question to determine. It's a jury question and they'll spend a lot of money vs. Marvel proving that. It looks like an unauthorized derivative work to me that is most definitely prohibited by the copyright act. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:09 PM, aardvark88 said:

Black Dog drove 22 hours to get to C2E2 to sell out of Acetate covers reposted on YouTube. 'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' thus retail for $85 and then $100 each.

 

"Everybody knows Black Flag Comics are dopes!"

 

That's what I heard.

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:09 PM, aardvark88 said:

Black Dog drove 22 hours to get to C2E2 to sell out of Acetate covers reposted on YouTube. 'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' thus retail for $85 and then $100 each.

 

This is an example of why non-lawyers should not give themselves legal advice.

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:12 PM, DrunkWooky said:

'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' 

It's too bad that isn't their question to determine. It's a jury question and they'll spend a lot of money vs. Marvel proving that. It looks like an unauthorized derivative work to me that is most definitely prohibited by the copyright act. 

Likelihood of confusion as to origin.

It was made for a commercial purpose.

This reminds me a lot of the controversy last year when L'il Nas X added art to Nikes and real quickly got a cease and desist because Nike didn't want their product associated with the message being added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/nike-sues-over-lil-nas-x-satan-shoes-human-blood-n1262406

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onlyweaknesskryptonite

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:12 PM, DrunkWooky said:

'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' 

It's too bad that isn't their question to determine. It's a jury question and they'll spend a lot of money vs. Marvel proving that. It looks like an unauthorized derivative work to me that is most definitely prohibited by the copyright act. 

On 8/9/2022 at 4:13 PM, Red84 said:

This is an example of why non-lawyers should not give themselves legal advice.

:butbutbutemoji: he googled it on LegalZoom.com first!

:roflmao:

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On 8/9/2022 at 3:15 PM, Red84 said:

Likelihood of confusion as to origin.

It was made for a commercial purpose.

This reminds me a lot of the controversy last year when L'il Nas X added art to Nikes and real quickly got a cease and desist because Nike didn't want their product associated with the message being added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/nike-sues-over-lil-nas-x-satan-shoes-human-blood-n1262406

Right, that's the basic form of the trademark infringement test. The copyright test is much simpler. Did the prohibited act occur? The contract issue is even easier than that: does their exclusive contract prohibit this without Marvel's consent?

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:17 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:
On 8/9/2022 at 4:12 PM, DrunkWooky said:

'No Marvel Comics copyright infringement' 

It's too bad that isn't their question to determine. It's a jury question and they'll spend a lot of money vs. Marvel proving that. It looks like an unauthorized derivative work to me that is most definitely prohibited by the copyright act. 

On 8/9/2022 at 4:13 PM, Red84 said:

This is an example of why non-lawyers should not give themselves legal advice.

:butbutbutemoji: he googled it on LegalZoom.com first!

:roflmao:

I was set up at a convention once selling my original artwork which is collage where I use hundreds of pieces of comics to make the image. The guy set up next to me had the gall to accuse me of copyright infringement when all he was selling was simple drawings of individual comic book characters. What he was selling was clearly copyright infringement while what I was selling was artwork that was transformative fair use. Everyone seems to think they are lawyers.

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On 8/9/2022 at 3:52 PM, jaxcomics said:

The most disturbing part of this entire thing is that CGC is setting the precedent that you can take a book that has previously capped out at 9.8, modify it by adding a shiny layer, and then get a higher grade. That isn't conservation, that isn't restoration, that's straight-up modification of an original book. To allow that without denoting it in any way as a flaw and most importantly to allow it to improve the grade of the book itself - is mind-blowing. Where does that stop?

next, they label it a double cover and give 10's to both covers

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:21 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I am still waiting to find out how much it will cost for CGC 10's & 9.9's since it is clear that CGC will sell them. 

Correction - Black Flag will sell them, CGC sold their soul for them.

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