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[october]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:18 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

No, this is a place that CGC allows you post.  Seriously Andy?

This is a marketing platform that allows people to even criticize them on their own platform.  I would argue allowing people to post/sell here is a privilege, especially those people who dont even submit to CGC and talk negative constantly about the company.

I am more annoyed at the actions of Black Flag. 

 

This just happened. Should I immediately up and quit the message board I've been on since 2004 while simultaneously pizzing on the bonfire I made of my vintage slabs? 

You can try all you want to minimize this, but virtually everyone else recognizes how awful a look this is. I guess it's easier to take shots at board members rather than admitting your personal cash cow is getting uglier by the year. 

[Sigur Ros]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:09 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Link?

 

 

[manetteska]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:19 PM, thehumantorch said:

I find it very hard to believe CGC would sell grades or award 9.9 and 10.0 grades for any reason other than the book is higher grade than 9.8 but these grades seem very suspicious.

Here's the data for Amazing Spider-man #700 2013.  There are 3953 copies graded 9.4 or better.  Zero 9.9 or 10.0.  Zero.  Even if Black Flag comics has the ability to spot 9.9 and 10.0 copies, something I doubt, the odds of having this many copies in higher grade than 9.8 in a small print run is remote.  Anyone have another modern they'd like to check the census on?

Grade	Universal	Qualified	Signature Series	Restored See Detail		Total
Mint		10.0	0	0	0	0		0
Mint		9.9	0	0	0	0		0
Near Mint/Mint		9.8	1759	14	1014	2		2789
Near Mint +		9.6	438	10	355	1		804
Near Mint		9.4	172	15	167	6		360

Or how about the census for the actual underlying book? Out of 55 non-signed submissions, 0 above 9.8

 

[jsilverjanet]

On 8/10/2022 at 11:10 AM, cbalroman said:

Curious on why his was pulled but there a number of raws still up on ebay.  Does ebay only consider Counterfeit if in a CGC case?

report report report

[NewWorldOrder]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:25 AM, Aqua Lantern said:

"Comics are a commodity, thank god!"

Hey Stu! 

[Dr. Balls]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:56 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

This.

 CGC has been around for over 20 years.  How much longer do people need CGC to hold their hand when grading comics?

I think it goes past the grading issue, and if you look at posters, video games, VHS tapes - people love encapsulated containers that someone else provides. It's some sort of latent thing in our DNA. If you went back to caveman times, I'm sure they built twig boxes to hold their sabre tooth tiger collectible teeth to show off to other cavemen. There's no other explanation to why we love plastic encased things (of which I am totally in that crowd).

[MrBedrock]

On 8/10/2022 at 11:43 AM, NewWorldOrder said:

On 8/10/2022 at 11:41 AM, october said:

YOU might not, but some people do.

Shrugging off someone likely buying grades takes a level of cynicism that impresses even me!

So who are you going to use going forward?

We aren't going forward.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:21 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

On 8/10/2022 at 1:20 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Stay tuned 

Any day now......

For many moons, there’s been a stigma attached to selling HG raw keys...

”Why didn’t they slab it first?”

“Must be something wrong with it to just sell it raw and leave all that money on the table “

These days there’s pretty much a drop-down menu of great reasons NOT to send your HG gems to CGC.

 

[thehumantorch]

On 8/10/2022 at 7:34 AM, jsilverjanet said:

Someone update me when the guaranteed 9.9/10.0 tier fees appear

The term for getting a 9.9 or 10.0 is 'Black Flagging'

 

[NewWorldOrder]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:29 AM, Aqua Lantern said:

I haven't had to pull that quote out for a while. I actually enjoyed your "stop submitting drek" thread

Thanks buddy boy! 

Well to be fair I really dont post here anymore cause it has been pretty boring on here for a while.

You many like my whatnot shows?  We just talked about comics and chill.  Yes I did talk about this story which made for a fun show. 

[Shpeeler]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:21 PM, mattn792 said:

Therein lies an interesting question.  If Black Flag had flagged (no pun intended) these particular copies as primo 9.9/10.0 candidates, why did they sit as unsold stock for over a year, only to be turned into 6.0s once holes were punched in them?  If they were truly mint copies at time of printing, they'd have immediately gone into slabs.

I may be completely wrong here, but doesnt CGC only grade the acetate cover for these? If so then its the acetate itself getting the 9.9/10 and not the underlying book.

[NewWorldOrder]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:31 AM, thehumantorch said:

The term for getting a 9.9 or 10.0 is 'Black Flagging'

 

Honestly that's a good one. 

[ygogolak]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:09 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Link?

No clue where I saw it. Looked in a couple places and don't see it. It was one of the owners personal IG. Basically it wasn't reasoning for doing it but more "I don't have time for the haters".

[MrBedrock]

On 8/10/2022 at 11:43 AM, Gaard said:

CGC must've known what they were doing was completely wrong and was going to make them look bad. They ain't stupid. ...

 

If you assume they aren't stupid then you might come to the conclusion that they must have known.

But if you assume they are stupid...

[Ares]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:12 AM, manetteska said:

What about all of the other copies still on eBay?

Does the specific listing have to be reported to be taken down?

people should report each one

[jsilverjanet]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:19 PM, thehumantorch said:

I find it very hard to believe CGC would sell grades or award 9.9 and 10.0 grades for any reason other than the book is higher grade than 9.8 but these grades seem very suspicious.

Here's the data for Amazing Spider-man #700 2013.  There are 3953 copies graded 9.4 or better.  Zero 9.9 or 10.0.  Zero.  Even if Black Flag comics has the ability to spot 9.9 and 10.0 copies, something I doubt, the odds of having this many copies in higher grade than 9.8 in a small print run is remote.  Anyone have another modern they'd like to check the census on?

Grade	Universal	Qualified	Signature Series	Restored See Detail		Total
Mint		10.0	0	0	0	0		0
Mint		9.9	0	0	0	0		0
Near Mint/Mint		9.8	1759	14	1014	2		2789
Near Mint +		9.6	438	10	355	1		804
Near Mint		9.4	172	15	167	6		360

what are the numbers for the facsimile of UF4, the original book that this is attached to, that might be a good start

[awakeintheashes]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:26 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

On 8/10/2022 at 1:25 PM, Aqua Lantern said:

"Comics are a commodity, thank god!"

Hey Stu! 

Stu has been posting in this thread for a couple days under the same username. Even the mods find this situation to be a complete dumpster fire. 

[mattn792]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:31 PM, Shpeeler said:

I may be completely wrong here, but doesnt CGC only grade the acetate cover for these? If so then its the acetate itself getting the 9.9/10 and not the underlying book.

That would make no sense.  Say you send in a Wizard ACE 181 with a pristine acetate cover, but you ripped out half the interior pages and put 3/4" tears in the rest of them.  Should that book get a mint designation?

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:31 PM, Shpeeler said:

I may be completely wrong here, but doesnt CGC only grade the acetate cover for these? If so then its the acetate itself getting the 9.9/10 and not the underlying book.

Which would mean that the cover is the other thing that impacts grade. 

[awakeintheashes]

On 8/10/2022 at 1:31 PM, Shpeeler said:

I may be completely wrong here, but doesnt CGC only grade the acetate cover for these? If so then its the acetate itself getting the 9.9/10 and not the underlying book.

No, the whole book is graded. Pages and all.