Administrator CGC Mike Posted March 17, 2023 Administrator Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 1:27 AM, Microchip said: @CGC Mike is there any update available? I am hoping the TAT's will be updated today, and show much lower numbers. I am not able to make any promises, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 10:52 PM, CGC Mike said: I am hoping the TAT's will be updated today, and show much lower numbers. I am not able to make any promises, though. Sorry, I'm lost there. TAT's affect the updates to the website for the inclusion of the Newsstand notation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted March 18, 2023 Administrator Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 7:42 PM, Microchip said: Sorry, I'm lost there. TAT's affect the updates to the website for the inclusion of the Newsstand notation? Sorry, I have too much going on today. There is no update available regarding the newsstand notation at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted April 9, 2023 Author Share Posted April 9, 2023 Coming at this from another angle. @wytshus are you able to shed any light on the collectors-society side of Newsstand notated books, and where things are currently at? TIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytshus Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Resubmitted Newsstands will get the Newsstand designation in the Pedigree Field. First time submitted books will have the Newsstand designation in the Variant field, as usual. As far as the Registry goes, we will create a separate Newsstand slot in the appropriate set. However, the slot will be populated with the first run edition, due to the fact that the Registry search does not recognize the Pedigree field. I realize this is not optimal, but it is the only way to accommodate resubmitted Newsstand editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 10:39 AM, wytshus said: Resubmitted Newsstands will get the Newsstand designation in the Pedigree Field. First time submitted books will have the Newsstand designation in the Variant field, as usual. As far as the Registry goes, we will create a separate Newsstand slot in the appropriate set. However, the slot will be populated with the first run edition, due to the fact that the Registry search does not recognize the Pedigree field. I realize this is not optimal, but it is the only way to accommodate resubmitted Newsstand editions. I understand but a question... ME submissions are currently free due to mislabels, which I assume means misnotated newsstand slabs? I have about 8 that I was curious about, but on the other hand, they're already included in the registry, so if I were to get them "reholdered" I'd need new registry slots? If that is right, then I'm not sure I'll go through the trouble registry deadline is soon and no guarantee etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 1:56 PM, ADAMANTIUM said: I understand but a question... ME submissions are currently free due to mislabels, which I assume means misnotated newsstand slabs? I have about 8 that I was curious about, but on the other hand, they're already included in the registry, so if I were to get them "reholdered" I'd need new registry slots? If that is right, then I'm not sure I'll go through the trouble registry deadline is soon and no guarantee etc Actually @wytshus if I got them reholdered with the Newsstand notation, would I be able to leave the cert number in the slot their in now? Idk if the newsstands are in the pedigree field, could I leave them in the regular slots for the books? Or would I need to request "Newsstand slots" specifically and need to re add them with description etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytshus Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I would prefer to have books that actually have the Newsstand designation in the new slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/11/2023 at 11:18 PM, wytshus said: I would prefer to have books that actually have the Newsstand designation in the new slots. In terms of points within the registry sets, Newsstand books rate lower than Direct Editions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytshus Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/11/2023 at 10:05 AM, Microchip said: In terms of points within the registry sets, Newsstand books rate lower than Direct Editions? Usually, they are scored equally, unless there is a significant difference in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/12/2023 at 12:08 AM, wytshus said: Usually, they are scored equally, unless there is a significant difference in value. Ok, that makes sense. The value for 99% of modern newsstand books is un-established at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 @valiantman In the current Pedigree auction, Doug has a bunch of Winnipeg pedigree books. All the newsstand issues are designated as Winnipeg Pedigree, and then we have this issue. It looks like there isn't an either or scenario with that centre label field. Any idea how these books would show up on your database? @wytshus is there a year where the Newsstand designation begins? For a moment I was thinking somewhere in the 80's, as none of Doug's book's from the BA have the Newsstand designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I do not think current sets should be changed to allow the addition newsstand slot. If registry set participants want newsstand slots for a particular set then they should request a new one be built. There are sets like this that exist. Wolverine mini series and Dark Knight Returns are some examples of different sets tailored to just first print collectors and others who like to collect Canadian price variants or follow on printings. If the collector doesn’t want to go through the process of requesting a new set then just add a picture of the newsstand copy to image #2. I really have no skin the game as a vast majority of my sets did not have newsstand editions. But I do think this is unfair to people that have achieved 100% on some really difficult sets to have it get ruined by a new slot appearing. Just my .02 cents. Iconic1s and Poutine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 On 4/18/2023 at 1:06 AM, Microchip said: @valiantman In the current Pedigree auction, Doug has a bunch of Winnipeg pedigree books. All the newsstand issues are designated as Winnipeg Pedigree, and then we have this issue. It looks like there isn't an either or scenario with that centre label field. Any idea how these books would show up on your database? @wytshus is there a year where the Newsstand designation begins? For a moment I was thinking somewhere in the 80's, as none of Doug's book's from the BA have the Newsstand designation. The Pedigree field has never been reported on the CGC Census. There are supposed to be changes coming which will make Newsstand Edition reported on the CGC Census when it is entered in the Pedigree field (as CGC has been putting on the label since September 2022, but not reporting on the census). Since this is both a Newsstand Edition and a Pedigree, I don't know if CGC will report these when they (eventually) report the Newsstand Editions because I would be surprised if they begin reporting pedigrees without some kind of announcement. Microchip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 On 4/18/2023 at 8:10 PM, Parabellum said: I do not think current sets should be changed to allow the addition newsstand slot. If registry set participants want newsstand slots for a particular set then they should request a new one be built. There are sets like this that exist. Wolverine mini series and Dark Knight Returns are some examples of different sets tailored to just first print collectors and others who like to collect Canadian price variants or follow on printings. If the collector doesn’t want to go through the process of requesting a new set then just add a picture of the newsstand copy to image #2. I really have no skin the game as a vast majority of my sets did not have newsstand editions. But I do think this is unfair to people that have achieved 100% on some really difficult sets to have it get ruined by a new slot appearing. Just my .02 cents. Thats typically what happens. Expanded sets, so all the variants are included should be a separate. The Wolverine mini series is great example. There's multiple versions of US edition insignia, newsstand copies, and 3 CPV editions. A full completed set of Wolverine mini series could be expanded to 12 books straight away. But the original set of 5 would, and should remain as it currently is. Iconic1s and Parabellum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 12:38 AM, Microchip said: Thats typically what happens. Expanded sets, so all the variants are included should be a separate. The Wolverine mini series is great example. There's multiple versions of US edition insignia, newsstand copies, and 3 CPV editions. A full completed set of Wolverine mini series could be expanded to 12 books straight away. But the original set of 5 would, and should remain as it currently is. Thats my intention with the Punisher Limited Series. I will request a “Punisher Limited Series (complete with variants) set. Microchip and Iconic1s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microchip Posted July 8, 2023 Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 On 4/18/2023 at 11:38 PM, valiantman said: The Pedigree field has never been reported on the CGC Census. There are supposed to be changes coming which will make Newsstand Edition reported on the CGC Census when it is entered in the Pedigree field (as CGC has been putting on the label since September 2022, but not reporting on the census). Since this is both a Newsstand Edition and a Pedigree, I don't know if CGC will report these when they (eventually) report the Newsstand Editions because I would be surprised if they begin reporting pedigrees without some kind of announcement. With your database, due to the Newsstand notation going in the pedigree field box, there will be database census information on Newsstand editions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) On 4/18/2023 at 2:06 AM, Microchip said: @wytshus is there a year where the Newsstand designation begins? For a moment I was thinking somewhere in the 80's, as none of Doug's book's from the BA have the Newsstand designation. IF done correctly it is: Marvel - books starting with cover date June 1979 and NOT before DC - books starting with cover date Oct 1980 and NOT before I do not have info on Whitman/Gold Key, Charlton, Archie or Harvey but suspect each date will differ. Edited July 8, 2023 by MAR1979 greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 On 7/8/2023 at 3:30 AM, Microchip said: With your database, due to the Newsstand notation going in the pedigree field box, there will be database census information on Newsstand editions? CGC has said that they will be reporting Newsstand (from the pedigree field) in the CGC Census at some point, but so far, it has not been part of the census. Microchip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) On 7/8/2023 at 9:06 AM, MAR1979 said: IF done correctly it is: Marvel - books starting with cover date June 1979 and NOT before How would Star Wars #1 (1977) be done correctly if not separating Newsstand from the Direct editions, separated from the reprints, etc.? https://bipcomics.com/showcase/StarWars/Marvel/StarWars/001-006.html Edited July 8, 2023 by valiantman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
