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[grigoriane]

Hi Everyone, I was browsing ebay for auctions, and came across this comic. Buffalo Bill Weekly #32. Never heard of it. I couldn't find any info on it or even on the series. But with the publication date of 1913 and the nice grade I decided to go for it. Anyone have any info on this comic or series?

[buttock]

On 4/29/2023 at 10:37 AM, grigoriane said:

Hi Everyone, I was browsing ebay for auctions, and came across this comic. Buffalo Bill Weekly #32. Never heard of it. I couldn't find any info on it or even on the series. But with the publication date of 1913 and the nice grade I decided to go for it. Anyone have any info on this comic or series?

@storypapers

[Bookery]

It's not a comic.  There may be a couple of b&w illustrations inside, but it will be mostly text.  I believe this is a story paper, akin to the dime novels of the period but thinner (and only 5-cents).  These were basically adventure stories in the early pulp vein, but geared to younger audiences.  Most of them seemed to have either western themes or mystery themes (sort of precursors to the Hardy Boys).  Others here can give you more specifics on the Buffalo Bill series specifically.

[grigoriane]

On 4/29/2023 at 10:15 PM, Bookery said:

It's not a comic.  There may be a couple of b&w illustrations inside, but it will be mostly text.  I believe this is a story paper, akin to the dime novels of the period but thinner (and only 5-cents).  These were basically adventure stories in the early pulp vein, but geared to younger audiences.  Most of them seemed to have either western themes or mystery themes (sort of precursors to the Hardy Boys).  Others here can give you more specifics on the Buffalo Bill series specifically.

Interesting. So little info about it.

[Ryan.]

On 4/29/2023 at 3:28 PM, grigoriane said:

Interesting. So little info about it.

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=55703309

[PopKulture]

Collectors of this type of early fiction refer to these as “nickel weeklies” to differentiate them from their earlier cousins, dime novels. 

[Telegan]

On 4/29/2023 at 7:53 PM, PopKulture said:

Collectors of this type of early fiction refer to these as “nickel weeklies” to differentiate them from their earlier cousins, dime novels. 

Neat.  Thanks for sharing.  I just found this site while looking for more info.  They happen to have some of the issues from this series here.  If you click any of the resulting links, some of them have additional links that take you to the University of Villanova library where you can look at a digital version of some of them.  I didn't find issue #32, but they did have a link to issue #31 here.

[PopKulture]

On 4/29/2023 at 10:39 PM, Telegan said:

Neat.  Thanks for sharing.  I just found this site while looking for more info.  They happen to have some of the issues from this series here.  If you click any of the resulting links, some of them have additional links that take you to the University of Villanova library where you can look at a digital version of some of them.  I didn't find issue #32, but they did have a link to issue #31 here.

It’s good that institutions are preserving these because the interior pages are becoming more and more brittle with time. The covers generally fare better as they are printed on slicker, better quality stock, which helps the beautiful lithographed artwork really pop. 

Here's a link to a few I scanned some time ago:

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/305029/album/1287886

The first fourteen shown are nickel weeklies while the latter nine are commonly referred to as “thick books.” They are digest-sized and between one-half to an inch thick. 

[PopKulture]

When I get a chance, I’ll post a group shot of some of the various types of these early fiction series for a better sense of scale.  

Edited April 30, 2023 by PopKulture

[storypapers]

Fantastic!    So you were the guy that beat me out on the price!    I should have bid higher.  

Joe Rainone here  (partner in the finding of the Bethlehem collection etc.)......As some may know I've been collecting, writing about and even gave a presentation at the New Yorker a month ago at the Big Apple con...on the "History of American Popular Fiction"...I called it from "Gothic to Gotham."  However, it was focused to arrive at the importance of the Story paper and the Dime Novel era. 

 
A few years back, I and my good friend Mike S-S....took the time to gather over 1500 images...(in color)...to show the lineage and some of the history, the primary publishers, the personalities of that era...from about 1830s to early 1900s.   I am not here to sell my book..but anyone who has an interest in POP Culture, I think, will love my book.....(Mark Siefert of Bleeding Cool was one of the first to buy my book when it came out..now he is a convert I'm happy to say... )

My ILLUSTRATED DIME NOVEL PRICE GUIDE not only shows images of every major title (and many minor), except for Thick books which are more like paperbacks...(way too many to cover but they are mentioned with some images)   Each title will has a Rarity factor...a date of publication and length of publication along with a "guesstimate" of value as well as how to grade properly (although CGC refuses to grade any different that comics although there are in inherent differences for a number of reasons.)

I will be getting some Guides in this week although they will go to a local dealer who has made some inroads selling my lower grade (even though they should be higher like the BB in question here)...for decent prices.   I intend to grade more and in fact have near 100 more ready to go at CGC that they have been holding for quite awhile.  BTW a Deadwood MR. #1 a 7.0 just sold for $1001 ...go figure!!  So I am excited this may be the time to bring out much more.  

 

If any one wants one....or a signed copy...I'm happy to oblige ..contact me here...or my gmail address.....storypapers@gmail.com...at a discounted price. 

 

I have so many rarities..and I will over time send some in to be graded as I see movement.  I want these items to preserved...and enjoyed as with Comics and Pulps etc. 

 

I have many thousands still to sell many cannot be graded...the story papers...the large size...but perhaps in time the Magazine size will be expanded...as so many of the would look great under "glass." 

By the way I sold a 9.4 BB two years ago for $500...I am hoping it would sell for more now after seeing that Deadwood MR. sell...more DD will be available as well soon...

 

All best..

 

JR

 

I'm looking for more Boys of New York story papers and many others if anyone knows of any....or similar titles especially Frank Tousey and Norman Munro publications

 

[storypapers]

Just recently put out a two volume set on the Civil War era ....first volume in particular is focused on the dime novels and pre/post "dime Novels" pre, during and after the CW....all in color.  Many hundreds super rarities and a lot of history by Mike S-S who is a CW historian and collector.   My and his collection and some others are shown....images on near ever one of the 300 pages per book!   These are on Amazon for sale, although again, I have some copies at discount.  

Pulps are going crazy and will be graded soon....dime novels are a natural....at least those is decent shape...and I hope ultra rarities in time. 

Edited April 30, 2023 by storypapers

[storypapers]

 

Other itmes of interest.  Old Marvel a pre Sherlock Holmes character.....Man in Black see image of the story paper at the right.  I was offered $2000 for it...as a precursor to early Avengers like Batman..but also pulp characters like The Shadow!  

Both books also on Amazon..or I have a few ....Its not about making sales..its about promoting what I LOVE...and wanting them to be researched...and protected...like so many other forms we all enjoy...like Comics! 

[grigoriane]

On 4/30/2023 at 7:13 PM, storypapers said:

Fantastic!    So you were the guy that beat me out on the price!    I should have bid higher.  

Joe Rainone here  (partner in the finding of the Bethlehem collection etc.)......As some may know I've been collecting, writing about and even gave a presentation at the New Yorker a month ago at the Big Apple con...on the "History of American Popular Fiction"...I called it from "Gothic to Gotham."  However, it was focused to arrive at the importance of the Story paper and the Dime Novel era. 

 
A few years back, I and my good friend Mike S-S....took the time to gather over 1500 images...(in color)...to show the lineage and some of the history, the primary publishers, the personalities of that era...from about 1830s to early 1900s.   I am not here to sell my book..but anyone who has an interest in POP Culture, I think, will love my book.....(Mark Siefert of Bleeding Cool was one of the first to buy my book when it came out..now he is a convert I'm happy to say... )

My ILLUSTRATED DIME NOVEL PRICE GUIDE not only shows images of every major title (and many minor), except for Thick books which are more like paperbacks...(way too many to cover but they are mentioned with some images)   Each title will has a Rarity factor...a date of publication and length of publication along with a "guesstimate" of value as well as how to grade properly (although CGC refuses to grade any different that comics although there are in inherent differences for a number of reasons.)

I will be getting some Guides in this week although they will go to a local dealer who has made some inroads selling my lower grade (even though they should be higher like the BB in question here)...for decent prices.   I intend to grade more and in fact have near 100 more ready to go at CGC that they have been holding for quite awhile.  BTW a Deadwood MR. #1 a 7.0 just sold for $1001 ...go figure!!  So I am excited this may be the time to bring out much more.  

 

If any one wants one....or a signed copy...I'm happy to oblige ..contact me here...or my gmail address.....storypapers@gmail.com...at a discounted price. 

 

I have so many rarities..and I will over time send some in to be graded as I see movement.  I want these items to preserved...and enjoyed as with Comics and Pulps etc. 

 

I have many thousands still to sell many cannot be graded...the story papers...the large size...but perhaps in time the Magazine size will be expanded...as so many of the would look great under "glass." 

By the way I sold a 9.4 BB two years ago for $500...I am hoping it would sell for more now after seeing that Deadwood MR. sell...more DD will be available as well soon...

 

All best..

 

JR

 

I'm looking for more Boys of New York story papers and many others if anyone knows of any....or similar titles especially Frank Tousey and Norman Munro publications

 

So there's actually a price guide for these books? I honestly had no clue about these nor it's prices. It's the first time i purchased something without knowing much about it. But i'm guessing since you have the background you probably knew what the right price is:)

[storypapers]

On 4/30/2023 at 4:41 PM, grigoriane said:

So there's actually a price guide for these books? I honestly had no clue about these nor it's prices. It's the first time i purchased something without knowing much about it. But i'm guessing since you have the background you probably knew what the right price is:)

Its about collecting what you like and paying what you think makes sense.  Dime novel collecting has been going on since day 1...most are lost ore in Institutional hands...however surprising many have shown up since ebay.   They are fun to collect....investing?  Hard to say..but I think...like the cheaper GA and SA there is still is a small market..and people can still appreciate.  Grading them will help with the exposure...and getting $1000 for a common dime novel just may help the others.   May be a good time to invest since they do not cost all that much.  I would gladly buy the one your bought for a bit more...as I know I could turn it for more...not much more but enough to turn a profit. 

Hopefully you will continue to collect them..and learn.   I will be sending more to comiclink over the next few months...I am hoping they do a lot better than what you just paid for a nice Buffalo Bill in 8.0...that is a tough grade to reach in an item 110 years old! 

 

BTW my Guide book has **** which indicate range of price one can expect under best conditions for a say VG item 4.0 - 4.5 grade range.  Prices do not jump as much as they would for a comic from 4.0 to 8.0...

 

Thanks for posting... Joe

[grigoriane]

On 5/1/2023 at 4:43 AM, storypapers said:

Its about collecting what you like and paying what you think makes sense.  Dime novel collecting has been going on since day 1...most are lost ore in Institutional hands...however surprising many have shown up since ebay.   They are fun to collect....investing?  Hard to say..but I think...like the cheaper GA and SA there is still is a small market..and people can still appreciate.  Grading them will help with the exposure...and getting $1000 for a common dime novel just may help the others.   May be a good time to invest since they do not cost all that much.  I would gladly buy the one your bought for a bit more...as I know I could turn it for more...not much more but enough to turn a profit. 

Hopefully you will continue to collect them..and learn.   I will be sending more to comiclink over the next few months...I am hoping they do a lot better than what you just paid for a nice Buffalo Bill in 8.0...that is a tough grade to reach in an item 110 years old! 

 

BTW my Guide book has **** which indicate range of price one can expect under best conditions for a say VG item 4.0 - 4.5 grade range.  Prices do not jump as much as they would for a comic from 4.0 to 8.0...

 

Thanks for posting... Joe

By the way, on the CGC census there are 35 graded copies of the New Buffalo Weeklies. Most of them are low grade range but I saw one 9.4 and a couple 9.2s....there was a few that was restored.

Anyway, thanks for all the info you shared on this. I'm going to hold on to it for now. Anything that's a century old is cool to have.

Oh, and what's GA and SA?

 

[storypapers]

On 5/1/2023 at 1:36 AM, grigoriane said:

By the way, on the CGC census there are 35 graded copies of the New Buffalo Weeklies. Most of them are low grade range but I saw one 9.4 and a couple 9.2s....there was a few that was restored.

Anyway, thanks for all the info you shared on this. I'm going to hold on to it for now. Anything that's a century old is cool to have.

Oh, and what's GA and SA?

 

The Buffalo Bill were not really restored.   However CGC would not deter.  Nickel Weekly pages were folded inside...meaning there could be overhang that need to be cut to turn pages.  The covers where not cut..but the bottom overhang of pages were..so they called them restored.   Ridiculous.

 

GA = Golden Age, SA = Silver Age....(comics)

 

All best

 

Joe

[mwotka]

Here is one I got a few years back from a CC auction for really cheap.  I think this has the issue you are talking about, calling it trimmed on the bottom.  But I don't think it actually is.  I just thought the cover was cool and amazing shape for something that old.  

[grigoriane]

On 5/1/2023 at 7:35 PM, mwotka said:

Here is one I got a few years back from a CC auction for really cheap.  I think this has the issue you are talking about, calling it trimmed on the bottom.  But I don't think it actually is.  I just thought the cover was cool and amazing shape for something that old.  

I was thinking the same. Something that old in such great shape can't be passed up on.

[Telegan]

What type of paper/stock are these printed on?  I know there's stuff from the 1700s and 1800s out there that don't cost all that much simply because the stock they're printed on survive a lot better than old newsprint/comic paper of the early-to-mid 1900s.  For example, I've bought old newspapers from the early 1900s and a newspaper from the 1780s that cost less than $100 combined as gifts for a friend who's a history teacher because they had stories of historical significance in them.  I've got old several Nat Geos from the early 1900s that will probably survive another 100 years because of the stock they're printed on.  While all of these don't really hold much in monetary value, they're incredibly cool, and to just hold them is amazing to me, not to mention thumbing through them and reading articles and ads that are 1-2 centuries old is insane.  These periodicals seem a lot more rare, though, but I'm not sure, and I'm wondering if it's just because the paper doesn't hold up well over the years (?).

[storypapers]

Nickel weeklies used wood pulp...the cheapest form....and to find any with even Cm/OWP hard....so you can imagine finding one like the BB above...
You should probably resubmit..they might not call it restored..now..

I do not know for sure...

 

Most magazine were made on much better paper stock....pre mid 70s...and even later had part rage paper...even the dime novels pre 1877 have better paper quality what came after.  

 

Dime novels and nickel weekly are part of the Platinum age..regardless of inside illustrations...it has always been the cover that sold the book....

Its fun learning about them...but I doubt anyone here will even invest $30 to buy a Guide book to learn.....