ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[MB1952]

On 12/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Prince Namor said:

It's evidence that some changes need to be made at CGC. 

Somewhere, someone is not allowing that company to be LED correctly. 

QC and consistency, the two most important things to real collectors, are sorely lacking.

You may not need a 'NASA' understanding of how to fix things, but at the very least a 'McDonald's' understanding. 

This is the real reason why we are talking about this mess. CGC QC has fail collectors for some time. It came back to bite CGC. 

[Bill1]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:03 PM, BrashL said:

Totally agree, but to me this is a matter of personal integrity. If I knew I had a (large!) community that trusted my site for information on CGC and I restricted that discussion, I’d feel responsible if someone got ripped off. He says “80% will never own” one of the comics mentioned, as if 20% is a trivial amount. You’re putting loyalty to CGC above loyalty to your community. I can’t get behind that. 

A link to this lengthy post is pinned now, per someone else's recommendation. 

[BrashL]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:11 PM, Bill1 said:

A link to this lengthy post is pinned now, per someone else's recommendation. 

Stand up thing to do. Thanks!

[MAR1979]

redacted as apparently already outdated...

Edited December 28, 2023 by MAR1979

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 12/27/2023 at 11:34 AM, Point Five said:

With all that said, it may be safest to switch to buying CGC .5 slabs for the time being. No chance that a lower grade copy has been substituted!

Don't let my screen name throw you, this is a really good idea.

 

On 12/27/2023 at 11:35 AM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

Can't go much lower ;-)

On 12/27/2023 at 11:36 AM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

There's always the NG though.

On 12/27/2023 at 11:37 AM, Steven Valdez said:

From now on, I'll only be buying single pages in slabs. At least you can see both sides.

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/27/2023 at 3:52 PM, mephistopheles said:

He is just having trouble deciding which idiotic expression to put in his thumbnail.

Not to interrupt the Tom-hate but he covers comic trends... not comic drama.

If people want to hear more about the latest CGC drama there are more than a dozen other small-time YT channels, hoping to be as popular as Tom some day, that they can watch repeat the same stuff as each other.  

 

[Point Five]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:16 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I think a couple of those were switched out.

 

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/27/2023 at 4:30 PM, VintageComics said:

On a side note, I asked and got word back from Comiclink regarding that ASM #129 CGC 9.0 from the exchange that was discussed earlier, and that specific book has been checked and is not considered to be a part of this problem

So the seller of the book says "this one is fine".

Whew.. good to know.

[MatterEaterLad]

On 12/27/2023 at 4:39 PM, Bill1 said:

And no one was banned for talking about this, 

You banned me.  

It's your group, do what you want. Just don't come over here and lie about it.

That being stated, thanks for pinning a post about all this. 

Edited December 28, 2023 by MatterEaterLad

[Prince Namor]

On 12/28/2023 at 7:03 AM, BrashL said:

Totally agree, but to me this is a matter of personal integrity. If I knew I had a (large!) community that trusted my site for information on CGC and I restricted that discussion, I’d feel responsible if someone got ripped off. He says “80% will never own” one of the comics mentioned, as if 20% is a trivial amount. You’re putting loyalty to CGC above loyalty to your community. I can’t get behind that. 

And it's MY choice, and YOURS not to be a part of it.

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:17 PM, Stefan_W said:

Probably too big a generalization given that only a few books are known to have been compromised. 

I think people will be cautious with Hulk 181, NM 98 newsy in 9.8, ASM 234 (edit: should read 238) in 9.8, ASM 300 in 9.8, ........

There are a lot of people who will hear about this but won't be following to see what books are affected.  I don't doubt a lot of those people will be more hesitant to purchase high price books in general.

I see conversations elsewhere where people are saying they'll avoid buying slabs for a while.  They aren't following this thread.  They don't know what books are involved.

Of course, neither do we... a lot of the focus is on the group you mentioned.  Who knows what else is out there.

 

 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 12/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, Domo Arigato said:

I remember when he threatened to destroy CGC.

Well played, Dylan..........well played.

 

 

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:21 PM, Sigur Ros said:

So the seller of the book says "this one is fine".

Whew.. good to know.

The interesting part will be to watch where these books land at auction early in the new year. I am guessing a bit below normal but maybe not as much as people may think unless there is a very good reason to suspect tampering (e.g., a bunch of ticks showing on the CGC image for a 9.8 book). This is what I will be specifically watching in terms of impact.

[bc]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:30 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

 

Priceless!

-bc

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:29 PM, Sigur Ros said:

There are a lot of people who will hear about this but won't be following to see what books are affected.  I don't doubt a lot of those people will be more hesitant to purchase high price books in general.

I see conversations elsewhere where people are saying they'll avoid buying slabs for a while.  They aren't following this thread.  They don't know what books are involved.

Of course, neither do we... a lot of the focus is on the group you mentioned.  Who knows what else is out there.

 

 

Yeah, for sure. What I am seeing is a big mix of people responding. Some people saying they wont buy slabs even though they weren't buying slabs prior to all of this, a few are saying that they will not buy slabs but knowing them I am sure they will if they find a good deal (human nature trumps scams), a few people who legit wont be buying, and a few people who dont care outside of the books that are directly involved. 

It takes all kinds to fill a freeway. I dont think we will know the impact for a while, and even then it may be hard to piece together given the scope of comic collecting. For example, is someone going to avoid buying a CGC 5.0 pre-code horror book because of all of this? I dunno but I doubt we will see that and with so few sales it would be almost impossible to tell the difference if they do.  

[HotKey]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:03 PM, BrashL said:

Totally agree, but to me this is a matter of personal integrity. If I knew I had a (large!) community that trusted my site for information on CGC and I restricted that discussion, I’d feel responsible if someone got ripped off. He says “80% will never own” one of the comics mentioned, as if 20% is a trivial amount. You’re putting loyalty to CGC above loyalty to your community. I can’t get behind that. 

20% of 37,000 is 7,400 people. Imagine being able to save even 1 of them from making an uninformed purchase.

There's probably a good saying to come up with about it, about having power and responsibility.

Edited December 28, 2023 by HotKey
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[thehumantorch]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:11 PM, Bill1 said:

A link to this lengthy post is pinned now, per someone else's recommendation. 

Appreciated.  Warning collectors about this problem is important.

[Bill1]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:25 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

You banned me. 

"And no one was banned for talking about this, but their post was removed, and the first 10 or so were given the reason why. After that, if I removed one and the person kept re-posting, I removed them." Don't know who you were, but I imagine this applied....

[paqart]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:49 PM, Bill1 said:

People can hear whatever they want, and post whatever they want, on their own site. Our group is not for all the constant arguing and just plain nasty-ness that so many of these groups have. Certainly, this is the best place to get the info, and we have a link to it. I have far more people PM me saying they are sick of constant complainers than people upset because we don't give them a forum to complain in. And when it is verifiable facts, from a trusted source, we will link it or post it. But most people have had enough of Fox News, so we choose to not be that way.

 

What on earth about the reholder scandal is related to Fox News, or any other mainstream news outlet? The fact that none have done a story about this yet?

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:39 PM, Bill1 said:

That's me. I am in no way associated with CGC other than using them like any of us do. Pretty much our only rule is no CBCS and be nice. Many of us simply can't seem to do that, so I gladly help them move on. And no one was banned for talking about this, but their post was removed, and the first 10 or so were given the reason why. After that, if I removed one and the person kept re-posting, I removed them. When CGC finally has an official post, we will gladly post it. But going off of some you-tubers with a bunch of allegations, and then allowing the more enthusiastic members to try convince the majority of us that the sky is falling is not what we are there for. Lots of work has gone into this problem by several of the members here, and I am sure we all thank you for that. Lots of accusations and theories have come from others, and we don't thank you for that. Enjoy this great hobby, and don't let this kind of problem ruin your month. Remember, at least in my group, 80% of the members don't and likely won't ever have a Hulk 181, and no one is counterfeiting the latest Venom variant.

Is this the Bill they mentioned that bans people from asking questions about the biggest CGC news in a decade?  How embarrassing.