solm4st3r Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 This one is unexplainable. https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/superhero/the-amazing-spider-man-361-newsstand-edition-signature-series-mark-bagley-marvel-1992-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/122422-17745.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solm4st3r Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 BlowUpTheMoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) Is it missing ink, printing defect? Nevermind was looking at the right edge, just saw the top. Yikes! Edited May 23 by Silver Surfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlowUpTheMoon Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 littledoom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lightning55 Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 Maybe the 9.8 means that 9.8% of the front cover is missing. royaluglydudes, Off Panel, littledoom and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaluglydudes Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I can't grade for beans and even I noticed this one! Off Panel and littledoom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qalyar Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume that this is yet another example of a situation where two (or more) of the same book were submitted at the same time and CGC shuffled the labels. It's a strong candidate for the most serious ongoing issue with QA. littledoom, RockMyAmadeus, Chaz G. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stefan_W Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Maybe Bagley got hungry when he signed it and ate a piece. Honestly though, I cant imagine a book in that state hitting 9.8. There are even stress lines by the bottom staple. Looks like either it was damaged at some point after grading or else there was some type of switcheroo and that is not the original book. Just looked through other books in that submission and it included 17 books that were all ASM 361s for the Bagley sig. There are no graders notes for this cert number, but several other books in the submission have multiple tears, etc. I wonder if something happened to the books on the way to CGC or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 1:21 PM, Qalyar said: assume that this is yet another example of a situation where two (or more) of the same book were submitted at the same time and CGC shuffled the labels. It's a strong candidate for the most serious ongoing issue with QA. grendel013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 1:24 PM, Stefan_W said: Just looked through other books in that submission and it included 17 books that were all ASM 361s f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 3:24 PM, Stefan_W said: Maybe Bagley got hungry when he signed it and ate a piece. Honestly though, I cant imagine a book in that state hitting 9.8. There are even stress lines by the bottom staple. Looks like either it was damaged at some point after grading or else there was some type of switcheroo and that is not the original book. Just looked through other books in that submission and it included 17 books that were all ASM 361s for the Bagley sig. There are no graders notes for this cert number, but several other books in the submission have multiple tears, etc. I wonder if something happened to the books on the way to CGC or something like that. Well, maybe someone will get a sweet deal on the 9.8 that wound up in the 5.0 slab. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC# Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Whatever happened - It was definitely one part carnage RockMyAmadeus, Off Panel and Chaz G. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_W Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 4:24 PM, Stefan_W said: Maybe Bagley got hungry when he signed it and ate a piece. Honestly though, I cant imagine a book in that state hitting 9.8. There are even stress lines by the bottom staple. Looks like either it was damaged at some point after grading or else there was some type of switcheroo and that is not the original book. Just looked through other books in that submission and it included 17 books that were all ASM 361s for the Bagley sig. There are no graders notes for this cert number, but several other books in the submission have multiple tears, etc. I wonder if something happened to the books on the way to CGC or something like that. None of the grader notes mention anything similar to what we see at the top of the book in this example so I am thinking it is not a simple mix-up between books in the submission, and a flaw like this would warrant a mention given the other flaws that received notes, but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vheflin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 People, get your eyes checked, that's a 9.9 if ever I saw one. Off Panel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qalyar Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 3:24 PM, Stefan_W said: Just looked through other books in that submission and it included 17 books that were all ASM 361s for the Bagley sig. There are no graders notes for this cert number, but several other books in the submission have multiple tears, etc. I wonder if something happened to the books on the way to CGC or something like that. Quelle surprise. The problem with this sort of thing is that the 9.8 in the -tier slab very obviously would have been sent back on a mechanical error ticket and corrected, but there's no motivation for the recipient to have the dog book in the 9.8 slab corrected. The cynic might even think that a book like this got added to a stack destined for Bagley specifically in the hopes that they'd make this very error. The solution here -- well, okay, the solution is for CGC to cut this out and figure out how to distinguish between multiple copies of the same book long enough to get them into slabs with the right labels! But the remediation here is for CGC to actively start monitoring the secondary market for these sorts of things and annotate the Certification Number as "Invalid: Known Misgrade" or something like that (plus allowing a free ME regrade, at a minimum). Doesn't solve the 9.6 / 9.8 swaps because those aren't going to be easily recognizable, but it's something. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_W Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 4:51 PM, Qalyar said: Quelle surprise. The problem with this sort of thing is that the 9.8 in the -tier slab very obviously would have been sent back on a mechanical error ticket and corrected, but there's no motivation for the recipient to have the dog book in the 9.8 slab corrected. The cynic might even think that a book like this got added to a stack destined for Bagley specifically in the hopes that they'd make this very error. The solution here -- well, okay, the solution is for CGC to cut this out and figure out how to distinguish between multiple copies of the same book long enough to get them into slabs with the right labels! But the remediation here is for CGC to actively start monitoring the secondary market for these sorts of things and annotate the Certification Number as "Invalid: Known Misgrade" or something like that (plus allowing a free ME regrade, at a minimum). Doesn't solve the 9.6 / 9.8 swaps because those aren't going to be easily recognizable, but it's something. I am skeptical that it is a mix-up in books within the submission because none of the grader notes for the others mention anything at the top of the book aside from the odd small crease. Given there are no notes for this one, and many notes for others detailing different flaws, I would default to something happening to the book after grading. But I dont know, and will never know, if this was actually the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel013 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Could be one of those rouge shards chewing up the paper from the inside. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 1:51 PM, Qalyar said: the 9.8 in the -tier slab very obviously would have been sent back on a mechanical error ticket and corrected, but there's no motivation for the recipient to have the dog book in the 9.8 slab corrected. https://www.ebay.com/itm/276414369667 DocGo and aardvark88 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2024 at 2:09 PM, grendel013 said: Could be one of those rouge shards ttfitz, bc, royaluglydudes and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
