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I'm confused. I thought the Golden Age Human Torch and the FF one..

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RDK

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Because the powers that be, at both DC and Marvel deemed that the characters must change with the times. It's more marketable that way.

 

Well, you can't blame Marvel and DC for that. Do we really want to still be reading about 70-year old superheroes who once fought in WWII but now struggle to fit their Depends on underneath their supersuits?

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This is so confusing. When they show the original golden age superheroes, are they all grey-haired and old? If not, how do they explain the time that's passed? Also, let's say the 1956 Flash is the "new" Flash. That's 50 years ago - assuming he was 18 at the time, he'd be 68 years old!

 

Why not just make all heroes immune to time or something, a la Archie Andrews? That kid's been a 17 year old high school junior forever! blush.gif

 

Yes, the older GA heroes do have grey hair. In fact, the recent appearance of the GA Lois Lane has her extremely old and bed-ridden.

 

As far as Flash goes, there have been several people who have assumed the Flash name.

 

The first being Jay Garrick, the golden age flash.

Second, there was Barry Allen, who was the SA and BA Flash.

Third, Wally West, member of original Teen Titans, now the current Flash.

Lastly, there is Bart Allen, who is currently known as Kid Flash, and is with the current line-up of Teen Titans along with Robin (Tim Drake), Beast Boy (Gar Logan), Raven, and Starfire.

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This is so confusing. When they show the original golden age superheroes, are they all grey-haired and old? If not, how do they explain the time that's passed? Also, let's say the 1956 Flash is the "new" Flash. That's 50 years ago - assuming he was 18 at the time, he'd be 68 years old!

 

Why not just make all heroes immune to time or something, a la Archie Andrews? That kid's been a 17 year old high school junior forever! blush.gif

 

Well, Reed Richards and Ben Grimm (Mr. Fantastic and the Thing of the Fantastic Four) fought Nazis in World War II, and Peter Parker graduated high school in 1965.

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Here is a recent picture from the current DCU stroyline. From L to R: Young Lex Luthor, Superboy, Superman, Lois Lane. All from the GA, Earth-2.

 

Wrong.....

Superboy is from Earth Prime

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That looks correct-- Amazing memory! hail.gif

 

But it might be misleading to Shield and others not steeped in this continuity stuff: The Bronze Age versions of these characters may have been written a tad more realistic, but they were understood to be the same characters as the Silver Age versions. Unlike say, the Golden Age Flash versus the Silver Age Flash: entirely different characters.

 

And, as my previous post mentioned, the Silver Age Spectre was actually the same character as the Golden Age Spectre, picking up his adventures on Earth-2 after a 20 year gap up until that point.

 

Bronze Age WW? Hmmm, I'd guess maybe #212, the first Julie Schwartz edited issue. Particularly since immediately preceeding it, they were publishing a series of retro-Golden Age stories, I believe even re-using Golden Age scripts, and drawing them in a distinctly cartoonish style compared to other books of the day.

 

Hey, knowing comics continuity really helps to get the ladies.

 

And yes, I wasn't clear - often the Silver Age characters were totally NEW characters (Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman), with these characters morphing into Bronze Age characters. That being said, there are several characters who are the same from their introduction in the Golden Age to now, including Captain America (first Silver Age appearance Avengers 4), Sub-Mariner (Fantastic Four 4), Ka-Zar (Daredevil 12 (???), as well as a couple DC characters. Marvel talks about Captain America's aging process, but they sort of shine over Sub-Mariner and Ka-Zar.

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Actually, Wasn't the Gog Go outfit Wonder Woman Bronze Age?

 

Silver age Wonder Woman is #98...origin re-told and first non H.G. Peter cover,...then she went Gold again in issue #157-about 172,...back to Silver till #177,...Bronze from 178-227,...gold again,..due to the setting on the tv show from 228-243,...back to bronze from 244 till end of series

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Here is a recent picture from the current DCU stroyline. From L to R: Young Lex Luthor, Superboy, Superman, Lois Lane. All from the GA, Earth-2.

 

Wrong.....

Superboy is from Earth Prime

True, but I didn't want to cloud the issue even further by mentioning that. Originally, Earth-Prime was our actual Earth, which has no super-heroes at all. Yet, that was changed with this Superboy for some reason. He really shouldn't exist at all from Earth-Prime.
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Because the powers that be, at both DC and Marvel deemed that the characters must change with the times. It's more marketable that way.

 

Well, you can't blame Marvel and DC for that. Do we really want to still be reading about 70-year old superheroes who once fought in WWII but now struggle to fit their Depends on underneath their supersuits?

Actually I think that would be a nice One Shot issue. Have them talk real loud in public and then have dinner at 4:00 at a buffet. thumbsup2.gif
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Here is a recent picture from the current DCU stroyline. From L to R: Young Lex Luthor, Superboy, Superman, Lois Lane. All from the GA, Earth-2.

 

Wrong.....

Superboy is from Earth Prime

 

Alexander Luthor isn't from Earth-2 either, right?

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Here is a recent picture from the current DCU stroyline. From L to R: Young Lex Luthor, Superboy, Superman, Lois Lane. All from the GA, Earth-2.

 

Wrong.....

Superboy is from Earth Prime

True, but I didn't want to cloud the issue even further by mentioning that. Originally, Earth-Prime was our actual Earth, which has no super-heroes at all. Yet, that was changed with this Superboy for some reason. He really shouldn't exist at all from Earth-Prime.

 

AND, Earth-Prime (with all of us on it) went away in Crisis 12. screwy.gif

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Alexander Luthor isn't from Earth-2 either, right?

 

Alexander was born on the alternate universe of Earth-Three, as the son of that world's versions of Lex Luthor and Lois Lane. On Earth-Three, Luthor was the only hero, and the JLA were evil (known as the Crime Syndicate). In the opening chapters of the 1985 DC Comics' 12-issue limited series Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Anti-Monitor used an anti-matter wave to destroy his universe. To save their son, his parents placed him in a special experimental device, which carried the infant to the relative safety of Earth-One. There, he materialized on the Justice League of America Satellite, which unknown to his parents had been abandoned. He was found and taken in by Harbinger, on request by The Monitor. His passage through the anti-matter storm granted him power over both matter and anti-matter, though the exposure also dramatically accelerated the aging process. By the conclusion of the Crisis, Luthor was a young adult, despite the passage of only a few weeks. After the Monitor's death, Alexander (along with Harbinger and Pariah) helped lead the heroes and villains of the DC Universe against the Anti-Monitor.

 

After he, along with Kal-L (the Earth-Two Superman) and the Earth-Prime Superboy finally defeated the Anti-Monitor, he revealed he had saved Kal-L's wife, the Earth-Two Lois Lane from being erased from existence when the multiverse was destroyed. The foursome, no longer having a place in the new Post-Crisis universe, decided to retreat to a paradise-like dimension Alexander could access using the last of his dimensional powers. - - wikipedia

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Ok, when did all these GA characters meet their end?

 

Supes, Batman, etc. Can anyone specifically point out their last issue in their original format?

 

If Submariner is the same character, how does Crisis explain that?

 

So confusing..I'm glad I'm stuck in 1935-1955!

 

Superman - last Golden Age appearance was never really done, he just sort of morphed into the Silver Age Superman, who's last appearance was Superman 232. Superman 233 is the first Bronze Age Superman. The first Silver Age "appearance" of the Golden Age Superman is Justice League of America 74 (or 75, I can't remember). The Golden Age Superman married Lois Lane in Superman Family 211.

 

Batman - last Golden Age appearance was Detective Comics 326, with the "New Look" Silver Age Batman changing in Detective 327. This is an easy one to spot - Batman with no yellow circle around his chest logo = the Golden Age Batman. The first Bronze Age Batman (time for controversy) is Batman 217. The Golden Age Batman appeared in back up stories in Adventure, and died (and didn't get better) in Adventure Comics 462.

 

others?

 

A couple of slight corrections:

 

GA Superman married Lois Lane in Action #484.

 

GA Batman: Reveals ID to catwoman in BB#197. Marries Catwoman in Supes Family #211, and dies in Adventure #462.

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