Hulk 107 9.9

[BlackShotzy-migration]

why would anybody ever have to say they were sorry to you?

 

That's not what I said, and you know it. What I said was that nobody would ever apologize wherever the apologies are due if this comic turns out to be Universal graded.

 

Isn't that what started the first version of this thread?:

 

Hulk 107 9.9 unrestored, to which everyone involved posted something on the way of, "It's restored", or "it's not a 9.9", or "it's neither a 9.9, nor is it unrestored".

 

I just wanted to point that out. I thought that this was the subject. The reason for the thread or topic.

 

I made the observation that with such apparent animosity on the part of those posting rantings that have nothing to do with the Hulk 107, that I would fully expect the same people to ignore the results and condemn anyway, even if the comic passed muster as unrestored!

 

In that case would I expect no apologies to be forthcoming to anyone falsely accused, though deserved. Those that falsely accuse never apologize or recant when proven wrong. That's why they're so quick to falsely accuse. It's called being biased or pig-headed.

 

If I were to jump up and down ranting about how the Hulk 107 is obviously a restored book, and I won it and had it graded being returned Universal, I'd have the good sense to be a little sheepish about my former libelous statements (Thank you Bug, learned the difference between slander and libel from your informative post). I'd be apologetic to whoever I falsely slammed a perfectly legitimate comic and so loudly accused.

[Illiterati-migration]

(Thank you Bug, learned the difference between slander and libel from your informative post)

 

You've been lurking for a LONNNNG time Person-Who-Is-Not-Hammer-Who-Is-Also-Not A-Comic-Restorer-Named-Dumptruck.

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And holy [!@#%^&^], that's freaking hilarious!!!!

[BlackShotzy-migration]

...hiding behind some stupid shill ID.....

 

If I remember correctly, Hammer was:

 

Red-Flagged, Naru-ed, Banned, Exiled, Excommunicated, Outlawed, Taboo, Unwelcome, etc. on this Forum.

 

How practical would it be for a person who was barred from the Forum to wave a flag, "look everyone...it's me!"?

 

Also, in reading many threads, as is painfully typical of many of this Forum's members who are long on accusations yet short on facts or personal experiences with this seller, the libelous attacks against him have taken a tremendously dramatic increase since he was barred. Sadly, this is human nature. To ridicule those not present to defend themselves, and is the ultimate in cowardice. Why assail someone a dozen against one when the odds are so much more in your favor if you assail them 3 dozen to zero now that there is a gag order (ban) on this person?

 

Most feel a certain comfort level in wiping their boots on and attacking someone that is bound, gagged, and prone. Most feel a warped sense of pride in this practice. I find it appaling.

 

 

[COI]

Also, in reading many threads, as is painfully typical of many of this Forum's members who are long on accusations yet short on facts or personal experiences with this seller, the libelous attacks against him have taken a tremendously dramatic increase since he was barred. Sadly, this is human nature. To ridicule those not present to defend themselves, and is the ultimate in cowardice. Why assail someone a dozen against one when the odds are so much more in your favor if you assail them 3 dozen to zero now that there is a gag order (ban) on this person?

 

Maybe.......but this dosen't apply to this thread because you're right here and everyone knows it.

[doyle033]

Why assail someone a dozen against one when the odds are so much more in your favor if you assail them 3 dozen to zero now that there is a gag order (ban) on this person?

 

Most feel a certain comfort level in wiping their boots on and attacking someone that is bound, gagged, and prone. Most feel a warped sense of pride in this practice. I find it appaling.

I and many others didnt bag on you when you were banned, actually there seemed to be a bit of an "I miss hammer" attitude in these boards. Sadly though, after this pathetic and wretced attempt at clandestine reinstatement thru the Black shotzy Shill ID... we should all gang up on, verbally asail, and figuritively flail the color touched and trimmed meat from your shilled bones. we all can understand the need to not admit to being hammer as you were just booted, but to, in so many words, deny you are hammer makes one wonder if you are lying about the dupchak/seneca etc etc thing as well.

how sad

and dorky

[Aman619]

...How practical would it be for a person who was barred from the Forum to wave a flag, "look everyone...it's me!"?

 

To ridicule those not present to defend themselves, and is the ultimate in cowardice.

 

Most feel a certain comfort level in wiping their boots on and attacking someone that is bound, gagged, and prone.

 

'pears the mask is a'slipping a bit!

a little hostility is surfacing!!

Look out kids, its a'gonna BLOW!!!!!!!

 

Careful "whoever you really are".....take deep breaths and remember to stay calm or shotzky will be no more on these boards......

 

 

[Illiterati-migration]

...hiding behind some stupid shill ID.....

 

If I remember correctly, Hammer was:

 

Red-Flagged, Naru-ed, Banned, Exiled, Excommunicated, Outlawed, Taboo, Unwelcome, etc. on this Forum.

 

How practical would it be for a person who was barred from the Forum to wave a flag, "look everyone...it's me!"?

 

Also, in reading many threads, as is painfully typical of many of this Forum's members who are long on accusations yet short on facts or personal experiences with this seller, the libelous attacks against him have taken a tremendously dramatic increase since he was barred. Sadly, this is human nature. To ridicule those not present to defend themselves, and is the ultimate in cowardice. Why assail someone a dozen against one when the odds are so much more in your favor if you assail them 3 dozen to zero now that there is a gag order (ban) on this person?

 

Most feel a certain comfort level in wiping their boots on and attacking someone that is bound, gagged, and prone. Most feel a warped sense of pride in this practice. I find it appaling.

 

 

 

 

How noble.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bronty]

Short on personal experiences?? pft. C'mon hammer, seriously. I quote from AK's post:

 

Oh yeah, forget my experience, forget Shuley's experience, forget comicparadox's experience, and lets also forget the others that don't or won't post here. Lets forget the fact that Comic-Keys has no problem selling a solid NM ASM #1 raw, and foregoing about 40K extra that he could make getting it slabbed. Let's forget the countless other books that could have made him a multiple millionaire by getting them all slabbed. And lets forget the fact that the same NM ASM #1 is constantly relisted, as well as many others. Lets forget the fact that he claimed to be a surgeon. Let's forget the fact that he won't show his face anywhere, even through arranged private meetings. Lets forget the fact that if his inventory were legit, you'd have guys like Bob Storms, Metro, Comgeek(Steve), Tom B and all the other top buyers breaking down his door. Lets forget his private auctions, private feedback, and everything else that has been discussed ad nasium on these boards.

 

Let's forget ALL that if this Hulk comes back unrestored.

 

Let's just go back to the pre-Jesus days when this resurrected horse was still dead. AK's post eloquently summed up all the reasons I will never buy from you, but I still enjoy having you on the boards - you are knowledge and have a lot to share.

 

So... in order to kick start things in a more positive direction, could you refresh me on your theory as to Red Raven 1/Cap 1 timeline? Your theory was that Red Raven 1 was the precursor to Cap 1 because of what it says on the inside front cover of Cap 1? And how does this fit in with Human Torch #2(#1)? I thought the idea, from a publisher's perspective, of changing the content while keeping the #ing was to preserve the 2nd class mailing license for subscriptions? So, how does your theory fit in with that given that both Red Raven and Cap are #1s? Would love to hear your thoughts.

 

Dan

[BlackShotzy-migration]

Clobbering time, you were the one who instigated this thread after its predecessor had been discontinued and omitted. Why don't we try getting to some of the roots of your animosity. Out of curiousity,

 

Did you ever buy a comic from the seller of this Hulk 107??? If so, what were the results? If not, why did you restart the thread?

[Tomega]

Clobbering time, you were the one who instigated this thread after its predecessor had been discontinued and omitted. Why don't we try getting to some of the roots of your animosity. Out of curiousity,

 

Did you ever buy a comic from the seller of this Hulk 107??? If so, what were the results? If not, why did you restart the thread?

 

Actually, it was me. When I asked if you were comic-keys? Looks like you are.

[BlackShotzy-migration]

the same NM Spiderman 1 is constantly relisted

 

Are we sure that this is the case? The seller stated that he has had many different copies of Spiderman 1. Do any of you bother to notice little differences comic to comic like staple placement, centering, and cover details?

 

I'm sure that if he offers another Hulk 107 in high grade, he'll be accused of it being the same comic, regardless of the mechanical features of the comic atypical of each and that which identifies each individual copy.

 

Wait and see. Things like this are easy to predict. He could offer another 107 in NM/MT that is wrapped totally different and you'll be crying, "that's the same comic"! And I do mean crying!

[BlackShotzy-migration]

Tom, has Clobbering time been rendered incapable of speaking? I asked if he ever bought from Comic-Keys and what the results were. Why won't he answer himself. His is the post that restarts the thread as far as what shows on my monitor.

 

He doesn't want to answer? He refuses to answer? Or is there a reason why he refuses to answer?

 

And while wer'e on the subject, Tom:

 

What will be your stand on the matter if and when the Hulk is returned clean as a whistle? To ignore the results of this war drum that you decided to beat the band on?

 

I have another suggestion. You have all this personal animosity and a large bee in your bonnet for this person, persons, whoever, whatever. You're right there in NY. Form a posse. Get a nice long rope, pick a tree, deputize some wranglers, go get whoever you think the guilty party(s) are and hang 'em high. Let yourself go. If you can't deputize the wranglers, there's always other ways to hire the right help to get your dirty work done. At least be a man about it instead of all this crying.

 

And Tom, BTW...which were the restored comics that you bought from Comic-Keys that were returned purple? You haven't stated your personal experiences as of yet that have made you part of the Crusade. Or do you simply 'doth protest too much' and have a gaggle of those nasty skeletons in your closet that make you project sin wherever it makes you feel better to?

[Joanna]

How practical would it be for a person who was barred from the Forum to wave a flag, "look everyone...it's me!"?

 

There was a guy named hammer who was allowed back when his other ID of meth was "Red-Flagged, Naru-ed, Banned, Exiled, Excommunicated, Outlawed, Taboo, Unwelcome, etc. on this Forum." So apparently, it's not a problem. Look up old threads and you'll see. It's too bad you never got to know him -- you two missed each other by that much.

 

Forum's members who are long on accusations yet short on facts or personal experiences with this seller

 

So if you see an auction by SellerGuy on ebay that has obvious shilling, and you hear from a dozen people that they were shilled by SellerGuy (and it was proven that they were shilled) do you bid on a SellerGuy auction that shows the same shilling symptoms as before simply because you personally weren't a victim? Did you buy Enron stock on its way down to spare change because the case hadn't been tried in court yet? There is a lot to be said for trust and "innocent until proven guilty". But the latter is about courts and the law. This is about people using their own hard-earned cash and trying to be aware as buyers.

 

Here's my suggestion, BlackShotzky: go buy as many of comic-keys books as you can afford. Buy around 35-50 books so that there's a good sampling to compare to all the restored books we've heard about. Show us the scans, and give us the ebay auction numbers (we won't be able to tell without those, because everything is private). Then send them all into CGC for a restoration check. Then scan them again in their blue labels so we can compare raw to graded and know they're the same books. That'll give us positive data to offset all this negative data. Obviously, this only works if you're not comic-keys. Which you aren't, of course.

 

Most feel a certain comfort level in wiping their boots on and attacking someone that is bound, gagged, and prone. Most feel a warped sense of pride in this practice. I find it appaling.

 

 

You being so new here you wouldn't understand this: the forum often points out dealers, sellers, and buyers who pull scams. Whether it's from experience with the person or is obvious (like selling a reprint Action 1 as if it's an original), they like to warn others so that they can make informed decisions. Obviously, this comic-keys guy has sold quite a few restored books, yet all his auctions say "unrestored". Whether he restores them himself, has it done, or is an innocent victim, it's his responsibility to make sure that his items are acurately described. And because he is aware of quite a few books coming back restored, he should tighten his efforts to find out how this keeps happening to him. One method would be to have restortion professionals look at his books. Or he could mention in his auctions that dozens of his books have come back restored, so keep that in mind when you bid. He could make his auctions and feedback public and warn about restoration in his listings. There are other methods, but most involve some supposition of guilt, and because I've never bought one of his books, I'm not allowed to have thoughts about this.

 

Not that any of this concerns you, of course. You wouldn't lie to us. You're just a new guy, learning the ropes, and hoping you can win those comic-keys books you said you were going to bid on, using your wife's ebay ID. Good luck! Hope you win!

 

-- Joanna

[doyle033]

shottzenhammer, it is so painfully obvious through your style of prose and constant conjecture in hypotheticals (if he does post another hulk 107 you will all cry Blah Blah Blah) that you are hammer and this is yet another soon to be banned Shill ID. I can understand the method but not the need to post obsessively in a forum which villifies you. if you do not sell restored books, good for you, can you prove it? no... so buyer beware. you have a great working knowledge of the art of Shill obviously so your private auctions would not be a possiblility for me or some others to bid on, i am sure. the whole schotzy thing is sad, you keep up the ruse so pathetically. it reminds me of my (true story coming) one days employment at the local porno book and video store. in college as a sophomore, i took a job as a clerk in a local nudie book store complete with video quarter booths and all. during my six hour training day (my entire tenure, i assure you) one male customer was hanging out in the hallways where the quarter booths were located, and he was trying to make a "friend". the old, gruff voiced, chain smoking, buck twenty five woman working as my trainer ejected him. About 3 hours later, the same perv came in wearing a different outfit. he proceeded to troll the same hallways still in search of a special "buddy". when the old woman ran to the hallway telling him to get out, and that he was already tossed once today, his response was "that wasnt me. obviously you tossed out my twin brother. you see, I am not even wearing the same clothes". Pretty obvious and sad and pathetic. the moral is still the same. He was a jerk off too.

[fantastic_four]

WHOA, that's a lovely, heartwarming story!!!!

[BlackShotzy-migration]

Joanna,

Is anyone else here willing to do as you suggest? Give up the major portion of their life to scan, analyze, win all of, compare, etc., all Comic-Key auctions? What you're suggesting isn't a bit time consuming?

 

Maybe not for someone without a job, but for someone that values their time, keeping tabs on every item, every detail, in depth analysis, etc. of every comic seems quite radical and a bit impractical, don't you think? I mean, in the real world. Not in this imaginary world of the Forum where people can say anything they want and others believe thier nonsense based on their popularity and kinships.

[COI]

can say anything they want and others believe thier nonsense

 

You mean like schill ID's?

[BlackShotzy-migration]

Doyle, wouldn't it be wonderful, and a major source of victory to you to silence another voice of sanity so you can continue your badgering of your chosen victims unimpeded by facts?

 

What comics did you acquire from Comic-Keys that were problematic? What's that, Doyle? Can't hear you. How could I have not guessed. No answer, right?

[doyle033]

What you're suggesting isn't a bit time consuming?

who can say. how long does it usually take to shill your own auctions?